Question for contractors - after job is done (paying/thanking)
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Comments (54)Hi Dearests! :) This is SO EMBARRASSING that EVERY DARNED TIME I get time to get on here and read, there's no time or I'm about to fall asleep (as is the case now - and I have to get up early)! I'm SURE I look like an opportunist just totally taking advantage of your advise, expertise and patience but please believe me that I simply have less time than I'm used to. Thank you so much for continuing this dialogue. I've gone into the worst depression over this! I just want to turn this over to someone else to represent me who's capable/competent enough but there's no one (or I don't dare ask) and I can't afford a lawyer nor do I want to get that legal. My contractor came back into town last Wednesday, Jan. 19th, if he meant what he said about his schedule, and every day I hope I don't hear from him. I just can't deal with this and barely know how. I mean Rohl said I could have a new sink but if I order it, I'd have to have the old sink out first in order to know which sink will be close enough in measurement to fit into the spot. I don't want to go pick up a new sink and leave it sitting on the side lines for weeks or months and then find out too late in the game that it won't fit in the old spot! So that means I need to get the old sink out, which brings me back to square one. I need to find new contractors or carpenters to get quotes from and feel so low I can't imagine figuring out where to turn, who to ask...who to trust. And who will be willing, after that last guy said he basically won't touch it with a 10-foot pole. My contractor's going to probably show up any day now to "finish the work" and then I'm also told by friends that I should no way let him finish the work but should deduct that which needs to be deducted and then pay someone else with the money. But he could file a lien on my house or whatever the terminology is. On the other hand I may never see him again since I paid him a partial payment that he may figure is close enough... Just to be clear: 1. My contractor bought the sink, not me. I mean I paid him sometime after that but he bought it using his own card. Not the dishwasher or counter or tile honing, cutting and installing which I bought, but the sink, faucet, disposal, flange and tile itself, yes. Now it's always possible he paid in cash and kept the whole order in my name since I had the items on hold in my name in which case there's no evidence he paid for it but who knows... 2. I truly believe that the sweet, young-sounding Rohl guy that I spoke to didn't really care and just called it defective for a couple of the reasons listed above by you guys but I do think if he has any experience at all (and he may not), that he suspects it was over-tightened and doesn't care - he just wants me to be a satisfied customer. My instincts and my own experience tell me so. And I don't think less of him or the company for it. 3. I have no proof that my contractor tightened the flange. I think it's possible that he didn't. But I don't think it's probable that he didn't. The timing of the cracks and the fact that no one else touched the area below it besides him and the way the hairline cracks splay out around the drain all tell me there's a better chance he cracked it than that he didn't. But it doesn't matter much if it can't be proven or that no forensic scientist - haha - will be coming around to pay more than the sink's worth to determine that. As for the issue of lying, I think there's a lot of context here to be considered. I believe he cracked it, and that Rohl is giving me a new sink but knows that he cracked it. My contractor bought the sink and installed it and messed around with it cause he didn't want me to bother his precious plumber when the leak needed to be stopped (don't get me started on how he thinks so highly of this totally flaky and rude plumber) and then it cracked. I think that covering my ARSE after everything else that's gone down is let's just say a fairly reasonable choice at this point, even if some think of that as lying. I get it, but I think that when you believe what I believe about what's really happened, it's not quite the same thing. And even then, I'm still willing to compromise at least a little - just because I'm not a one-dimensional human being and I believe my contractor isn't either. In my favor, sure, I guess, though yes I'm still really super uncomfortable about this whole thing and am as curious as the rest of you to know how strong I'll be and how well or disastrously this whole thing will turn out before it's truly over!! Ok that's it for now - it's 1:35 a.m. and I've gotta be up at 7:00. Yaaaay! ;) More soon. Thank you everyone - I am SO GRATEFUL that you're here. In fact you've been here "for me" more than just about anyone else, I swear!! That includes friends and family members and certainly contractors! How crazy is that!?...See MoreContractor's poor workmanship, should I pay?
Comments (7)" does this guy not understand? The glulam beam pictured is INSTALLED UPSIDE DOWN. To be cost efficient, he's used an "unbalanced beam" where the quality of the lumber on the tension side is higher. Notice how there are no knots in the bottom half of your beam. They stamp "TOP" in big bold letters so the beam can work properly as engineered. Your's isn't. The drywall screws used to secure the jack stud to the beam have little strength in shear. Cluelessness nearing criminality. See page 4, please:" @ Trebruchet Beam: You can imagine how did I feel when I saw this beam being installed upside down (hence photos). I’ve managed to contact structural engineer right after the installation. Luckily, according to her calculations, there is no reason to reinstall the beam, despite of its upside down installation. At the same time, it shows you the level of professionalism of this contractor. If it comes to screws - those are not drywall screws (luckily!), but I still can’t say if it is properly installed. @Kippy-the-Hippy "Was this guy the lowest price bid?" - Nope. "Was a tile sub excluded due to cost?" - From what I’ve seen, it was my contractor’s laborer installing those tiles. "Did you see any of his other work?" - No. We first found him on Yelp (three 5-star reviews…), then hired him based on fairly successful meeting. "Did he do the tile due to other cost over runs?" - You mean him, instead of a sub? I do not think if sub was ever considered. "Did he build all the walls or work with walls and windows already installed? He he have the opportunity in design to eliminate things like that small strip of tile at the ceiling? Or was it like that due to the height of the counter top?" - He’s framed a window and installed a drywall, but actual wall was existing. The edge where tile hits the ceiling would not bother me that much if tiles would come closer to the ceiling - as you can see this gap is massive. Area around the window is the worst though. "If they did not build the ceiling or walls, they might not have been plum to start with. " - That is probably the case, this house is from late 40’s "If he is not done, some of those gaps will be filled, but yes that is a pretty sloppy job especially around the windows. " @Renovator8 "Ceramic tile on drywall is fine in non-wet areas but the tile work is sloppy. It is difficult to tell how sloppy since the tile work and the window trim is not finished. " - I will take more photos today, unfortunately, it is not much of the difference:( "Only the engineer of record can say if the upside down beam is not adequate for the loads. The beams do seem unusually large for a one story house. " - Agree. This is 6x12 (I think), for 19’ span. "The exterior needs special attention because there are two layers of siding and a layer of insulation. Window flashing will be difficult to do well. " - This is something I can not clearly say is done right or not. "Is there a building inspector involved?" - There is, and the final inspection is in a few hours, I’ll keep you posted. "If you are going to refuse to pay him, first find out if there is a state Home Improvement law in effect that might help to protect you and even pay for repairs and/or completion. The biggest risk is that he will file a lien on your property. The local building department might be the place to start. Be careful to communicate with the contractor in writing or at least to confirm whatever is said in writing. He will have an advantage because this is probably not the first time this has happened to him. Therefore, you must plan your moves carefully in advance. Good luck! " Guys, I really appreciate all of your responses, if you see something on those photos that hasn't been discussed, please, let me know. Cheers, Pawel...See MoreHow do I thank my contractor, mid-job, design screw up
Comments (19)His response... “I know I made your day yesterday but... you just made mine! Very thoughtful of you guys but definitely not necessary. I really do love helping people and your kind words make it all worth it. BTW, Morton’s happens to be one of my Favs! I also feel as lucky to have you guys have the trust and faith in me to build your dreams! Thank you again!” ...and then we had a 2.5 hour conversation about my kitchen and bathroom cabinets. I’m sure things will come up during the finishing stage we’ve entered, and I’m ready and willing to forgive him for mistakes that happen. At least I know the foundation and guts of this house are 100%. He’s slightly OCD so things are pretty meticulous on the job itself. As he said in the beginning, he’s likes things more perfect than most homeowners he works with, so not too worried!...See MoreShould I pay my contractor off the contract if he demands it?
Comments (24)@GiGi Buckshaw - you have a problem but you are not in trouble. If your contractor collected money for permits and didn't get permits, you have a few more options. That is probably fraud over $750 and is a felony in Florida. He has just turned a tort into a crime, good job on him. That means you can contact the Florida attorney general's office for consumer affairs and have them send a few nice letters to him about opening a felony investigation. The real problem that you have is that you have overpaid the contractor and you need to find that perfect balance of carrot and stick to either get your money back or motivate your contractor to finish. Reporting your contractor to various authorities may cause him hardship but optimal resolution for you has everything to do with what you get out of it and little to do with him getting punished. A letter from an attorney might help, contacting the attorney general's office might help, or a conversation with him where you explain your willingness to do both of the above but would rather everyone parted friends might work. At any rate, you should see an attorney whether or not you decide to get him/her directly involved right now....See MoreJoseph Corlett, LLC
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