Do HE TL washer really Clean?
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Has anyone switched from a HE TL to a FL washer?
Comments (9)Try_hard Sorry for the long post. It's interesting to see all the terrible reviews of the Kenmore Oasis. My family and I bought my gradmother a Maytag Bravos washer, the sibling machine to the Oasis. Because the Oasis, Cabrio and Bravos are essentially the same machine, it makes me wonder if my poor grandmother is going to have to deal with a malfunctioning rust bucket sometime soon, just as johnner1999 is concerned about his/her Cabrio that's on the way. However, I have noticed that the reviews of the Bravos are almost polar opposite of the Oasis' with the Cabrio's reviews being more of a mixed bag. Albeit a few negative reviews, most reviews of the Bravos are positive. This, and the fact that the Bravos made it's debut way after the Oasis did, (so most of the bugs the Oasis has were worked out by the time the Bravos came out) are my only reassurances that my grandmother will not have to deal with the headache of a malfunctioning washer. But aside from that, my grandmother absolutely loves her Bravos! It has a sheets cycle, a whites cycle and a colors/jeans cycle as well. I mention this because these cycles may suit your needs based on the way you sort your laundry according to the list you have above. It has a HUUUUUUGE capacity and therefore can wash things like big comforters and pillows. It also rinses very well by utilizing ths unique spin/spray rinse technique that it does several times before going into the final spin. It will also utilize this same spin/spray technique before the main wash cycle while mixing the water sprayed onto the clothes with detergent if you select the stain treat option. In general, I feel the Bravos is an excellent product and highly recommend it! You may also want to consider the GE Harmony as well as nwesterner mentions. The Harmony seems to get glowing reviews from owners on this forum and elsewhere. It does not seem to have all the problems the Oasis has. Nwesterner, Whether the Harmony is better that the Cabrio or Bravos (which both seem to get better reviews than the Oasis), I'm not sure. I have no experience with the Harmony, only the Bravos. Also worth checking out are the Fisher and Paykel washers, which also seem to get great reviews here and elsewhere. Lastly there is also the Haier Genesis, another HE TL washer that I do not know anything about other than it's existence, but it's another option. Hope this helps! Good luck with your move and let us know what you decide to buy!! :o) Here is a link that might be useful: Maytag Bravos at Lowe's...See MoreCleaning performance of HE washers
Comments (5)Looser, This is certainly an interesting report, and there's no doubt that wash performance has improved in front loaders over the last decade or so, but I think that what's being refered to here is the ability of the washer to remove stains, and this is a natural consequence of increasing detergent concentration with low water levels. The report indirectly refers to this where it shows a graph that shows that using more detergent increases wash performance. However, if you look at the bigger picture there are other considerations that should go into judging the overall effectiveness of a washer: Mechanical wear and tear on the clothes. This is reduced with higher water levels, and increased with lower water levels because with lower water levels the clothes tend to rub against other more. This makes it extra important to watch out for things that can catch and tear clothes. Zippers, buttons, and snaps come to mind. Soils & Particulates wash performance. Soils and particulates wash performance is generally related to mechanical action, so lower water levels help, but then once these soils are loosened from the clothes, higher water levels help to flush them away, so the best contributor here is wash cycle time. The longer you wash, the better your performance. This is probably why front loader cycle times are so long. Color Transfer. Color transfer is when the dyes in the clothes bleed from one garment to another. Low water makes this problem worse because the clothes rub against each other more in low water washers. Using HE rated detergents can help with this problem though. Pet Hair & Lint Removal. Pet hair and lint generally need to be floated off the garments, and then flushed away. More water helps this, but low water can cause lint & pet hair to redeposit back onto the clothes. Rinsing: Spray rinses are very effective at removing soluble detergent using very little water, but soils & particulates can get trapped in the folds of the clothes because the spin forces keep them compressed against the spinning wash tub. Wrinkling & Twisting: Wrinkling and twisting can be made worse by super high spin speeds. This is because the ultra high spin forces squeeze all the water out of the clothes, and then the rushing air blow drys them. The result is that twists and wrinkles get dried into the clothes before the dryer gets a chance to steam them out. There are other considerations as well. Noise & vibration, capacity, reliability, ease of use, etc ......See MoreWhat makes a TL HE? How does agitatorless work?
Comments (8)I got my Cabrio HE back in March. It was the third machine I got, I had problems with the two FLers I had. You seem to be under the mistaken impression the HE TLers do a deep fill like traditional machines, they don't. They use much less water than a traditional machine, and automatically adjust the water level to suit the size of the load, like a FLer. My Cabrio He (with the exception of the delicate cycle and bulky cycle which use more water) adds just enough water to cover the cloths. This keeps the cloths down in contact with the wash plate so they can be circulate through the water. I still watch (I have the glass lid model) the wash action sometimes, I find it fascinating to watch. It looks like there is an agitator when it is motion. The cloths circle down through the center and up the sides. It is probably hard to picture. If you are a patient person, you can go to Whirlpool.com and watch a video of the Cabrio HE so you can get some idea how it works. Do not ever load the machine like they show in their video (dumping cloths from a basket and smashing them down in the machine) because your cloths with come out tangled. You need to place the cloths in piece by piece (except small items) around the wash plate. For me , this has virtually eliminated wrinkle problems. I only had a balance problem if I do something stupid, but even then, the machine does not vibrate or make noise, it tries to fix the unbalance and if it can't it puts up the unbalance code ub. Then you just move the items around and press start to finish the load. This has only happened a couple times. It has a number of cycle options with addons to fit just about any need. You do not have to set water level as it determines this itself. I paid just under $850 for my Cabrio HE. The FLers were more expensive, I cannot remember exactly how much, plus I originally purchased a stand for the first FLer. In the end I paid about $500 less. As for why I bought this...well I got a FLer, and I could feel the vibrations on the second floor even after a pro had come in to level it (not an installer). I wanted something that would use less water, but not rattle the pots on my stove. This is the answer! I also was unimpressed with the FLers rinsing, and its inability to remove lint and rabbit hair (yes, I have a rabbit, and she sheds like an animal 10X her size!). The Cabrio HE rinses much better, for the first time in a decade I can use a single rinse on every load without getting a rash! It also removes lint and hair much better! (As I type this my rabbit is sitting in my lap trying to get to the keyboard!) I know that some people are unhappy with their Cabrios, of course that goes for virtually every machine out there! I recommend purchasing your machine at a store you know you can trust. Make sure they will exchange it if you are not happy. And , why take chances, get the extended warranty. If you have a Lowes by you, their service is great, and a five year warranty is $99. That is where I got mine. I will buy all my appliances from them from now on, and recommend them to all my friends. By the way, Lowes is running some specials right now, I believe there are rebates on some machines, and gift cards with purchase, as well as free delivery and haul away (they always seem to offer that on purchases over $400). Oh yeah, I almost forgot spin speed. I think high spin is 1000rpm. Cloths dry a lot faster, even using the lower spin speeds. It is very efficient at removing the excess water. I should also mention that the settings are very flexible. You can make it do just about anything you might need....See MoreHidden Clean Washer Cycle in Older Duet/ HeT washers
Comments (7)Asolo Does this work on your machine? Yes, There is another cycle which is a diagnostic code sequence that comes up C:01 through C:05 (I think) but some have mistakenly thought that was a clean washer cycle. I think that's just for a tech to check for issues with the washer.........But the sequence above is a true clean washer cycle. I've never been so shocked when it worked with my machine. I posted it on another forum and several are saying that sequence doesn't work on their machine which is about the same ago as mine and are either Duet washers or the Kenmore versions. I wonder if instead of extra rinse 4 times at the end if they should be using the prewash button instead. My machine doesn't have prewash so I'm wondering if the ones that do need to use that instead of xtra rinse. Can't imagine why it would work on mine but not theirs....See Morerococogurl
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