I'm confused about Vital Wheat Gluten-----flour?
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Comments (36)Here's the question: In your opinion..do I really need to fertilize these plants in these conditions? Or would it be sufficient to feel the tomatoes (which I realize are heavy feeders) with a solution of compost or manure tea? I see so many points of information here and elsewhere that I admit I'm thoroughly confused. I realize the question I am quoting is from March 2006 and the thread has long since diverged into another (interesting) discussion, but I think the question posed is well worth spending a bit of time on. The question, as I read it is this: Do I need to fertilize (name the plant here) if I grow it in (fill in the growing medium here). The answer is, the plant will tell you. Unfortunately the plant won't tell you in a timely manner. It will tell you only after you notice the effects of the plant getting too much or too little of something. There really is no shortcut to experience and don't be in any rush to have perfect growing results from day one. There is always the farmer's market or grocery when the garden plants fail ;-) It simply takes time to learn what conditions a given plant does best in and all the guides in the world are, at best, approximations and often they are simply inaccurate or only accurate in the writer's growing conditions. As an example, srburk said in his OP that he realizes tomatos are heavy feeders. Now, where did s/he get that idea from? No criticism of srburk intended at all, it is a common misperception propagated by many sources. Tomatos are not heavy feeders, they are moderate feeders. This is an example of the kind of misinformation involved in gardening that is spread by many otherwise helpful and knowlegable sources. How on earth can the newbie seperate the wheat from the chaff? It can't really be done. Nothing short cuts experience with a plant. Whether or not a plant requires supplemental fertilization or not can really only be determined by the grower after observing the plant. If you know you are growing in a nutrient poor condition (like growing in containers) then you can pretty much be assured that supplementation will be required, but when growing in soil amended with organic matter, the plants simply have to be observed. There is no short cut....See Morevital wheat gluten
Comments (8)Dian57, here are my notes/instructions on making it that I had posted on another site. It is for 'wheat meat' 'seitan' or 'wheat gluten' as they are called interchangeably. I make it regularly. HOW TO MAKE SEITAN Using Vital gluten flour. I have made it with regular better for bread flour, but it is a lot more work, even too much for me.....but since they came out with the pure gluten flour I have been making seitan pretty regularly. Everybody around here likes it a lot, even more than tofu. Health food stores sell this flour, some upscale supermarkets, and also stores that sell products in bulk. It helps if you have made bread by hand before.... Take a big bowl (I use stainless steel). Put a bunch of gluten flour on it. Put a little salt in it (1/2 tsp per cup of flour is what I use) and mix well. Now get another person to pour water and very quickly knead it like bread until all the gluten is moistened. You have to work quickly, and the water pourer needs to be in synch with you, more water, stop, more water, etc.... If you do not have another person to help, you can start with the water and add gluten to it, this works too. Remember, knead it quickly to get all gluten moistened. Your hands will get sticky and messy, this is why a helper is nice.... If the dough has dark striations that is not so good, it means some of the gluten did not get enough contact with water. This is why you want to use enough water and knead. Keep kneading until all the water is absorbed. Honestly, the first time you do it might not work 100%, it does take a couple of trial and error sessions. If the gluten is too tough you can always grind it up and use it as a ground up meat substitute, so nothing is wasted. I did sausage (posted here) with a batch that was too tough because it did not get enough water. In any case, it should be a firm but not too hard dough. It will be hard to knead, harder than bread. So now you have a big lump of a dough and you are tired of kneading it....Cut it up wiht a sharp knife into chunks the size you want, but remember, they will double in size (at least double). Prepare a veggie broth. Last one I used a big (turkey? roast?) oval pan, black enamel with a cover that goes in the oven. I added: water, bay leaves, peppercorn, celery stalks, hot peppers (optional of course), shitake dried mushrooms, cilantro, powdered veggie broth, chopped onion, garlic cloves sliced it two, taste and see if it needs salt. Some people add ginger too, carrots can also go in. Bake in broth (all the pieces should be covered) for about 3 hours at 350F. The gluten/seitan chunks should have grown and they are now overflowing the pan. Just turn them around so they are moist. Now it can be used in any recipe that calls for seitan. I freeze most of it (squeeze some of the broth out if too wet), it does freeze very well, no change in taste or texture. Have fun with it!' You can also do this stove top by the way, I do prefer baking but both will work. One of my favorite things to do with this is make chimichurri from the garden herbs, marinate seitan in it and grill. They will work well marinated in many other things, and grilling is my favorite way to have seitan. Adding gluten flour to regular flour will increase its capability to add more to the expandable gluten network, that you made when you knead your dough. Sometimes other (non-wheat) flours cause a problem with this (not enough gluten so they are lumpy and hard, dense) so you can just use other flours you might have (rye, oats, quinoa, rice, corn...) and add gluten for the network that will rise and puff up. Will not work on gluten free diets, of course....See MoreWheat free/gluten free..can we talk about it some more
Comments (17)Maggie, I think you are on to something..and as FG states, the rate of those diagnosed with Celiac is climbing..Funny that she put the numbers in..very close to the rate of Autism too (and there are some studies on going about the correlation of food related allergies and different degrees and oddities of Autism in children)..I have known for a long time that foods can cause amazing "problems" in an allergic body. Many kids that sport ADD, ADHD symptoms/problems have food allergies and the culprits in many ways are wheat, corn and dairy. The problem I see is, that this wonderful country we live in likes to play with our food supply. Things are tainted that shouldn't be tainted...And next year I will enjoy things that I can't eat right now..because I can grow heirloom varieties organically! and Maggie, I do eat pasta..and serve it to my family. I use brown rice and spelt(spelt is the "ancient" wheat grain) I'm not going gluten free, so I can eat Spelt, because it's a "whole" uncompromised grain.I also eat Oats. I just had a piece of Spelt Toast from TJ's with my homemade Tayberry jam for breakfast. Lastnight I was up alone, hubby was out with the "fellas" and the boys were asleep..I spent hours reading all the Gluten Free Blogs, looking at Gluten Free recipes and sites..There is sooooooo much information! Again, I don't want anyone confused on this subject and as it pertains to me, I'm just learning too...But I can see that in one months time, it's made a considerable difference removing wheat, corn, soy and red meat from my diet (as hard as it is to leave some of those things behind! BEEF!) The pay off is way worth it. I've never felt so commited in my life about something. I've always had the desire to feed my family better, to use as much whole foods as possible, to prepare good foods and treats using the best I could afford. I just never really implemented it as far as I knew I should..Until now..I've made a drastic change, and intend to slowly slip the changes into my families diet as well..They are already sharing in some things with no loss!...See MorePlease help with countertop decision!!! I'm so confused!!!
Comments (19)kharamarie - Your kitchen choices so far sound beautiful. I have been quite enamored with gray these days. I am curious, do you like more of a single tone from counter to cabinet (say white cabinet and danby marble counter) or a little contrast (say gray cabinet with the danby marble counter?) But don't think I am lobbying for marble, you can get the same looks with the quartzite and swapping the counters. Personally, I appreciate both but lean toward contrast - where are you? Full disclosure, I have a white quartzite island but LOVE marble (didn't think it was a good fit for our family) so I guess I am not really biased. You are choosing between two lovely stones. The surprising part of the quartzite is it isn't as 'loud' once on your counter horizontal and it looks amazing with soft white cabinets (my island is BM Dove Wing which is white with a slight gray/almost green to it.) It provides a some contrast to the white without being as dark as a soapstone (which I also love with white.) I did hone mine, which was a fantastic surprise (soft with small areas of quartz that shine slightly in certain angles.) Here are a couple of photos to get the big picture and see if it is the look you are going for (we have gray pietra del cardosa counters in the perimeter.) One of the first things that everyone comments on about the kitchen is the island - everyone (non-GW :) thinks it is marble. Shot of kitchen with super white quartzite A higher angle, just of the counter Another thing to consider for counters are your "views." My perimeter counters are viewed from a distance, it is a more softer subtle look - like a gray soapstone - with tone on tone lines, some white and black veining - I call it calm and relaxing. It is a great 'backdrop' for the kitchen but when you are working on it or looking up close (which most people don't) is has a lot of interesting detail. I view my super white at both a distance and up close when you are sitting at it. You see the 'whole enchilada' were the perimeter is more bits and pieces and on an angle because you never sit at it. If you were to use superwhite on a perimeter you would even soften it more because it was viewed at a distance and in bits and pieces. So the three questions I see are: (1) Do you prefer more single tone to contrast(this hinges on your cabinet color) (2) do you prefer white with gray (marble) or gray with white (SW) and (2) do you prefer the clunking of SW (my husband said it reminded him seeing glaciers from an airplane) or the linear look of the marble. Last question - is there an island in the kitchen? Would you consider quartzite on the island and the marble on the perimeter (or vice versa?) Not sure if that would be too busy for you. It is another play on the traditional soapstone/marble kitchen. I love soapstone and understand there are different varities that have different colors (gray, black, greenish) as well as durability (my friend has soapstone and I love it but there tons of chips in the sink which would bother me, must have been a softer one.) I think you can't loose here - just what speaks to you. I have included a link to my nearly finished kitchen album. I could not get enough of photos of counter and cabinet combos when I was in the process. I would also recommend searching google images for "marble island" "gray cabinets." You may find some real inspiration. Good luck. Here is a link that might be useful: My kitchen with Superwhite island...See More- 14 years ago
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