John you should get some good responses here as quite a few members have made stock and demi. I make my own chicken stock or chicken, veg and beef bones mixed. But it's not a regular thing at the moment and I'm looking for a big stock pot to make it easier to do larger quantities. Here's what I have written about my method for stock and chicken soup. Here packaged in twos in the supermarket, after they've removed most of the meat for their trays of wings, breasts etc. But there's still enough meat on the bones for a great and flavourful soup. Soup Ingredients: Homemade chicken stock - about 2 quarts 2 carrots - diced 2 stalks celery - diced 1 leek - diced 1 cup diced rutabaga or orange squash 1/2 cup fine soup noodles salt & pepper oil or chicken fat Ratio of solids to stock should be about 2 cups stock to 1 lb chopped vegetables. Add any more chopped veg if you don't have enough. Stock ingredients: 1 meaty chicken carcass or piece of whole chicken 2 heads of garlic 1 onion - cut in half celery stick - sliced 1 carrot sliced fresh thyme - large sprig 1 bayleaf black pepper & salt MAKING STOCK: 1. Early in day or day before: Preheat oven to 350F. Cut top off heads of garlic. Place on roasting pan together with chicken carcass and sliced onion and drizzle a bit of oil over top of all. (I had two carcasss to roast as they are sold this way in pairs at our supermarket. I also added a couple of beef bones.) Roast in oven about 40 minutes or until all is toasted. and juices from pan. 2. Put bones into a very large pot. Squeeze one head of the buttery garlic cloves into the stock pot, saving the other head of garlic for adding to the soup. Add the rest of the stock ingredients and fill pot with water to cover. Grind in fresh pepper. Bring to boil, turn down heat, put on lid and simmer for a couple of hours. Skim off any grey residue that rises to the top. 3. Afterwards, strain the solid debris from the stock ---(REMEMBER you're saving the stock so don't pour it down the sink - as has been done LOL !). I look through the solids and pick out the meaty chicken pieces to save for the soup. Throw away all the rest of the solid material. Here I let it cool and refrigerate until next day when it's easy to remove solid fat from top. Otherwise continue to make soup. MAKING THE SOUP: 1. Sauté the chopped ingredients in a frypan in a TBS of chicken fat or oil until lightly golden. Squeeze out the buttery cloves from the 2nd head of garlic and add to pan. 2. Put soup ingredients including small bits of chicken into large saucepan and add an appropriate amount of stock - about double the amount of liquid to vegetables. Put on lid and simmerwith lid on for about an hour. Add soup noodles during last 5 minutes. 3. Check seasoning, add salt. SharonCb

I was a little nervous about pressure cooking and started out with an electric one, but it was very limiting. It was very slow to heat up and I was unable release pressure quickly. It died within a year of purchase and was replaced, only to die again...I gave it up and went with a stovetop, and have been much happier with it. They are much easier to use, and much more flexible than the electric models. I can make things that only take a few minutes, like corn on the cob. I can bring the pressure up fast, cook 5 minutes and then quickly release the pressure in the sink with cool water, no overcooked mush and no vat of boiling water to deal with. I have two Kuhn Rikon pressure cookers with the turn tops. I like the turn tops because it's very easy to see the pressure level, and you can park it in the 'up' position to release the steam. I made a rump roast in one the other night that was beautifully tender in less than an hour. They're great for stock, too. My crockpot now only comes out to keep the potatoes warm during Thanksgiving. :-) Cj

OK, bottom round is a good candidate for pressure cooking. Yes, brown your meat before dropping it in the pressure cooker with enough broth to come about halfway to 3/4ths of the way up the side of the meat. That way you get lots of good gravy. Pastured meat eats a different diet. However, the diet doesn't have much of an effect on what truly makes meat tender or tough -- connective tissue. Connective tissue is a function of how much work a particular muscle does. The more work it does, the more connective tissue it has. That's why the tenderloins are so darned tender, they do almost no work, and are almost completely devoid of connective tissue. Unfortunately, the amount of work a muscle does also helps with flavor development. Tenderloins and other ultra tender cuts of meat often have very subtle beef flavors, and it's not uncommon for them to have virtually no beef flavor at all. A chuck roast, a bottom round roast, or a skirt steak? Tons of fat and connective tissue, and normally incredible flavor.

There is usually a bag...or several...of frozen chicken bones, skin, etc. plus veggie trimmings in my freezer. When we have chicken pieces for a meal we cut the meat off the bones and add the bones and any other parts we are not eating to the freezer bag, too. Now that it is just my husband and me at home, we'll even chew meat off some bones and still save them. Of course we are the only ones eating stock made from those! The celery, onions, etc called for in many stock recipes get added to the actual soup instead. I'd rather have the fiber in my soup, not in a strainer.