Ken, your choices are wonderful and I think you're going to be very happy with your roses. If this is all you've ordered so far your addiction is still in the very early stages. Believe me, the happiness you'll derive will be much greater than the amount of money you'll be spending.

Ingrid

kenflzone, your lucky you only have one addiction. I'm addicted to roses and this website.

That's all???? (ROTFLOL ;-)

The only one I have that is mature is Otto. Hope you love him as much as I do. Mine went from sandy soil to clay and went from 5' to twice that if I let it. I think you'll find it works best with a small trellis or fence to train it on. Train it like a climber, horizontally, and trim the side shoots to obtain good rebloom. My spring flush on a modest plant compared to many of the monsters we see here runs about 2-3,000 blooms by my estimation. Quite a sight! After that he rests and then blooms here and there the rest of the year.

kenflzone9 - your list contains mostly old garden roses. What is it about them you find appealing?

This year I had purchased 4 old garden roses:
- sovenir de la malmaison
-felicite parmentier
- duchess de montebello
- La Ville de Bruxelles.

I love them all! So far I'm very impressed with sdlm. It's covered in buds!!! I also love the light green foliage of the other three roses. The history, the romance and the fear that some rose nurseries might be closed are a couple of reasons why I buy roses.

Oh don;t worry, next year it will be worse. It starts from a few and then the gates of rose mania open. ;)

Ken, Welcome to the Antique Rose Forum. I agree with Ingrid. You've picked some really great roses. Yeah, it can be addictive and it does cost a bit of $, but the plants live on for year after year bringing pleasure to you and to those who visit your garden.

I just finished planting 16 new roses when I had said I didn't have any more room (since I already had around 60). Enjoy yourself and have fun digging all those holes. Make sure you share your experience with your new roses as they grow and mature. Jeff

You think you may need to seek therapy? With all that digging, I think you'll need to seek a massage and a hot tub!

Enjoy yoruself! You'll reach your limit.

Welcome to the group....

Repeat after me...."I'm (your name here) (ProfessorRoush) and I'm a Roseaholic.....and I don't care unless time and money spent on Old Garden roses causes me to lose my house and my family...well, the house anyway"

Here is a link that might be useful: Garden Musings Blog

I love felicite parmentier. It is my favorite antique.

Good luck with the roses...

Ken,
If only I were allowed to order that many at once, I could really begin to enjoy my addiction. Maybe that's why we're addicted to this website, Edmonton83, (living vicariously through others). Good one, Professor.
Thanks for the humor,
Kitty

You insult us with such a puny list! We can only assume that this represents a purchase from a single vendor and you haven't had the time to consult the other 10.

Therapy shall be forthcoming only when the following criteria have been met:

All of your lawn area has been converted to rose beds. You begin planting in your neighbor's yard.

You spend an inordinate amount of time slinking on the side of the house, behind the shed and on the edge of the woods where your pot ghetto is hidden from family and friends.

You lose your job when your boss discovers you spend 7 hours each day viewing rose nursery sites. The other hour is used to rush home to water your beds.

Your children are losing weight because you steal their lunch money to cover your rose purchases.

I love your list! I wish I could do that this fall too, but am planning to move. You will LOVE the Chestnut Rose, but leave plenty of room for it--it can get huge. Once established it requires almost nothing to look good. Wonderful classic choices. :)

Madame Ernest Calvat - the thought of BS scares me.
Variegata di Bologna - probably ditto, but they're beautiful.
Chestnut Rose - I just noticed mine died for lack of water :(( Now I don't have to figure out where to put it. Hope you have a lot of room.
Gartendirektor Otto Linne - went to live with a friend who has more acidic soil.
Capitane dyell de Graville - I'm liking mine & it's pretty color. Pretty healthy, too.
Baronne Prevost - Haven't figured her out yet. She's about 6' tall and 1 foot wide. Just planted her last fall. She had a few flowers in spring, and 2 more a couple of weeks ago. I don't know if I should cut her in half or let her be.
Cornelia - she's doing OK, considering she's a HM and she's in almost total shade. I hope she improves and doesn't mind my soil & the shade.
Madame Isaac Periere - ditto MEC
Cardinal Hume - Sorry to say, he was a BS magnet. Loved his color & flowers, but he had to go. He wants to lay his long canes down on the ground, so I staked him & started training him like a standard.
Kronprincessin Viktoria - she's living at a friend's house. She never quite thrilled me.
Marchesa Bocella - Would love to have her.
Clotilde Soupert - Yum yum, you will love this rose, I hope, like I do. Nice and leafy and blooms a lot.
Nachitoches Noisette - ditto KV.
SDLM - you'll want many more of her.
Monsieur Tillier - ditto KV & NN
Paul Neyron - I have a yen for this one but not the space
Bow Bells - not in the ground yet. MT has to move out first. I hope she's great.
Reine des Violettes - ditto MEC, but I've seen one, and it was beautiful.
Autumn Damask - wish I had room.

I don't think therapy is necessary. You'll just buy until you have no room and rest your wallet for a while, but then you'll start up again to replace the losers (called a learning curve). That'll last about a year until you discover that roses will grow in large pots and you have room for them. Another pause in purchasing will be followed by more purchasing when you decide if you're going to have roses, you might as well REALLY love them, and you set about to replace the unloved ones. Gee, your story sounds very similar to mine. I guess birds of a feather...

Sherry

You don't say where you live, but I'm guessing here in central Fla. Like Sherry says, some roses just don't do well here in our climate and ground.... If you are interested, the Central Fla. Heritage Rose Society is meeting this coming Sunday Oct. 12, in Lakeland at Fla. Southern College, at 2:30, in the Horticultural Bldg. They are the experts for OGRs... Dr. Malcom Manners is the head of the Hort. Dept. there and the premier expert on OGRs in Fla. They have huge gardens around the campus , with mostly Antiques.... If you can't make it, you can always consult a local Rose Society, or go online to the Tampa Rose Society, the Bradenton-Sarasota Rose Society, the Orlando Rose Society.... and read their Tutorials on roses in Fla................sally

Do any of you Florida folks know of a mail order source for OGRs grafted onto fortunia? I'm particularly interested in Marechal Niel. We have one place in MS that provides roses saddle grafted on fortunia, but they have very limited OGR stock, mostly recent releases. Lots of hybrid teas that I have only minimal interest in.

Newtie, Dr. Malcolm Manners grafts Marechal Niel on fort and has offered them for sale at an annual fall meeting of the Central Fla Heritage Rose Society, I believe. You might try emailing him.

Sherry

Re CFHRS; Newtie, if you join, ($15.00 per year due in January) you will be emailed a notice of the next rose sale where many are grafted on Fort. Here is a list from memory of the fort grafted OGRs I have purchased there.

E Veyrat Hermanous
Clytemnestra
Lady Hillingdon
Souv de St Anne's
Miss Atwood
Cl Devoniensis
Mons Tillier
Souv de Pierre Notting
Apricot Nectar

My SDLM on fort came from K & M.

Sherry, Sally at Rose Petals said that the Barronne should be hacked back and she will rebloom better and grow better, too.

Veronica

Thanks, Veronica, I'll have to email her and see what she means by "hacked". :))

Sherry

"I may need to seek therapy"

naah....
& if you did need therapy, you've come to the really really wrong place:

This place is for addicts to enable each other!

Therapy is more expensive than roses. Now the amendments & food are another matter, she said, having just spent another $71 at Lowes.

Sherry

HI, Ken

So I finally got a break from the grueling pace of the Master's Degree for one weekend. After two weeks of 20 hour days in the studio, I spent today not sleeping, but planting. My purchases from Rose Petals and ARE are leafing out beautifully, all except SDLM which has apparently bitten the dust. Ironic that SDLM is the one rose I would have purchased had I not had the extra cash flow to get the others....and it dies.I am wondering if contacting ARE would get me a replacement or if I should just buck up and purchase another. Nevertheless, I put a good majority of the 20 roses I purchased in the ground, but I still have a sizable pot ghetto to contend with. I still have a large untended and unamended area to clear and claim as rose-land. I am hoping the pot ghetto will be okay til then. The other area I want to plant Is under the canopy of trees, and recieves morning shade and blazing afternoon sun in the summer, but lighter sun in the winter. Would shade tolerant roses do well here? Also, to assuage the fears of blackspot with these new roses, I do spray. It is the only chemical I use in the garden, but after my first attempt at growing roses ended pitifully with no leaves and dead shrubs, I learned to spray.
-Ken

Ken, is your SdlM died shortly after your received it I would most definitely ask for a replacement.

Morning shade with blazing afternoon sun in the summer is probably one of the worst places to grow roses (ask me how I know). I have Mrs. Dudley Cross, Marie van Houtte and Cl. Pinkie there but none are as great as they would be elsewhere. You'll want to water and mulch a lot in the summer to get the roses through the heat.

I'm curious where you live since you mention blackspot. I personally don't spray and grow only roses that do well here without chemicals. For most areas there are at least a few rose varieties that are very disease-resistant. I'm sure there are people on the forum who live in your area who could advise you. It sounds as though you're getting a great start on your rose garden and I hope everything continues to flourish.

Ingrid

Addiction, is it? Just wait till the evil enablers start in on you.

Now about that morning shade afternoon sun location, you really should take a look at Pleasant Hill Cemetery (you can just tell your friends it is called 'Pleasant Hill') found noisette and at Manchester Garden Angel found noisette. Both are very tough roses which do very well in difficult locations, and both are fast growing climbers which will make a good windbreak for your smaller roses. It is not so much the hot sun as the drying hot west winds which can stunt the growth of tender plants. Pleasant Hill Cemetery blooms non-stop once established, and the flowers are pretty and fragrant. They would make a nice backdrop for some of your more spectacular cultivars.

Speaking of addiction, my purchases to be delivered next spring are
Cinnabar
Rosarium Uetersen
Karlsruhe
Awakening
Nyvelt's White
Queen of the Belgians
Arcata Pink Globe
Celine Dubos
Rose du Roi(original)
Panachee de Lyon
Germania
and a white Portland whose name escapes me.

And, that order will probably be added on to after the Nov. 1 release date.

If you were to propagate a few of yours and take them to a local farmer's market, you could probably recoup what you paid for the mother plants. And, strike a small blow against the Knockoutization of the entire US landscape!

Ingrid- I live in super-humid Tampa Bay, where BS can be somewhat of a challenge, especially for a beginning gardener/rose addict that wants to experiment with all the roses that have lauded praise for their greatness. I am sure as time goes on I will realize what does and does not work here as far as disease resistance, but until I have more time to devote to that research and such, the spray will suffice.
Nastarana- The odd thing about the bed which recieves the afternoon sun in my yard is that it actually has the most naturally fertile and moisture retaining soil on the entire property. It may be the amount of organic matter dumped from the overhanging limbs of the tree which gives it morning shade. I will look into those noisettes. I have a little crush on noisettes from some pictures I saw a while ago, and I did purchase Nachitoches Noisette in my order. I am thinking of using pillars in that area so as to mask the small patio and barbecue area directly behind it.

-Ken

Always good to see others in Tampa Bay growing roses! Some nice antiques in the list. Nachitoches Noisette does pretty well here.Good Luck!
Regards,
Andrew Grover

We are to prefer Christian brethren love them with special affection.Love is the ultimate and most difficult to achieve. This is translated from Agape, which is love in a spiritual and social sense, a God toronto escorts like love. Christians with this type of love can agree to disagree with no hard feelings, respecting each other'sposition. Paul said that we should consider others better than our self (PHIL 2:3). He didn't say that others are better, but that we should consider them better.This has nothing to do with self-esteem.