Best hybrid teas (fragrant, cut well) to winter protect in zone 5

14 years ago

Hey! I am starting a list of hybrid teas for a cutting garden that would likely be the only space I winter-protect roses.

I would like to know the HT's with the best reputation for:

-survives with protection in zone 5

-fragrance

-lasting as cut

-health

-reblooms well

-color not important, although I would like to have a rainbow variety for making and sharing bouquets.

I know there is a search feature, but I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for your help! :o)

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greenhaven
Original Author
14 years ago
I guess they don't have to be HT's, just roses that have great stems for cutting.
Krista_5NY
14 years ago
Sheer Bliss has been a winner for me, the buds have an elegant florist shop look to them, lovely fragrance.

I also like New Zealand a lot, lovely, unique fragrance and a good bloomer.

Both of these get blackspot late in the season, but they bloom well.

Pink Promise is new to the garden, planted this past spring. It's been outstanding so far, with very nice dark green foliage and great blooming. The fragrance is apple, with a hint of Tea Rose. I've read that it tolerates a cold zone, so I'll be interested to see how it does through winter.
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Hi Ruthie, I have a few of these roses, and am very happy with them. They really do have excellent vase life, though not quite the 12 days some are advertised as having, but I'm not one to nitpick LOL So far they are healthy, and we have had lots of rain and humidity. Of course, the real test will be winter. Ask me again next spring! Here are some pictures: Ice Girl: Caramel Antike: I also have cinderella, but can't seem to find a photo of her. She's a lovely pink. Oh yes, and they also repeat fairly quickly. I also have Elina and Scent-sation, and the Kordes rose Limelight, all great cut roses. Hope this helps with your decision. Judith
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ebster
14 years ago
I got Grande Amore this year. Very nice flowers and healthy too.
brother_cadfael
14 years ago
Green...;^D

*sigh* - I thought we had this talk already.
You're thinking of next season already... that could be naughty... you said you were going to try and behave yourself.

Uh-oh, you're talking about Hybrid Teas too, in zone 4/5 no less... tsk, tsk, tsk.;^D

Seriously, the ones I remember doing well for me w/ protection and regular spraying, (2 week cycle with Ortho or 3-4 week cycle with Bayer... I think you had access to some pretty good stuff in terms of spray so if you use that you'll have to determine your spray schedule), and that have at least a light fragrance are:
'Crimson Bouquet' scarlet red (one of my favorites for production, color, bloom form, shape of bush, and hardiness.
'Gold Medal' warm yellow
'Regatta' cool coral
'Peace' yellow, pink, cream blend
'Pearl Essence' cool blush pink
'Queen Elizabeth' bubble gum pink
'John F. Kennedy' nearly pure white, some cream overtones... the performance on this variety is very subjective I believe based on the quality of the plant the clone was produced from. Mine performed very well after 2 years of settling in, this seems to be the case in only a handful of cold zone experiences with JFK. It performed so well in fact I considered keeping it on after I was rid of all my HT's, alas it succomb to the fickle nature of its' caregiver due to an impulse buy of 'The Generous Gardener' It now resides with a neighbor who moved to Utah and took it with him... SO MANY roses... so little time and space.
'Ingrid Bergman' cherry red
'Ink Spots' dark velvety red
'Rouge Royale' bright cherry red slightly red violet at times, tall vigorous grower, excellent scent.
'Michelangelo' bright clear yellow white blend
'Moonstone' white egded w/ clear med pink, not a very vigorous or strong grower nor is it cane hardy, but a MUST have in any HT garden for what I believe is a rose unsurpassed in the beauty of the world of HT's.
'Love & Peace' yellow and cerise pink blend, strong and vigorous.

I'll add more later, I'm at work, (just in case you ask, the answer is "hardly working":^]) when I get home I'll have to consult my shovelpruned HT list to jog my memory a little.

:^P - Don't forget to spray, spray, spray and protect, protect, protect. :^P

Rob
greenhaven
Original Author
14 years ago
Rob! Yer rainin' on my parade! ;o) I know, I know. I HAVE to explore the thought though, right? And come on, I ONLY have seven in my ghetto and one on the way....wait.....TEN in my pot ghetto... :o/

I do appreciate your list, sincerely. I am thinking about just a SMALL space for the high-maintenance ones. Speaking of high-maintenance, how is NO doing? lol

krista and ebster, thank you for your input! Anyhting that helps me pare down the list is great. This is the fourth or fifth time I have read a recommendation for New Zealand, so I will seriously consider it.
york_rose
14 years ago
greenhaven, are you at all familiar with Griffith Buck's roses? I haven't grown any of them, but he had a breeding program in Iowa where he was explicitly breeding roses that resembled hybrid teas and floribundas, yet were hardy enough to survive the Iowa prairie winters without a lot of babying.
brother_cadfael
14 years ago
What's a parade without rain?...;^)

'Night Owl' has recovered itself in bushy growth. I'll post a pic within a few days.

Some other HT's to consider:
'Chris Evert' bright true orange and red blend, incredible color, vigorous, quite hardy.
'Crystalline' pure white, not very hardy, but worth a try for the purity of the whiteness
'Octoberfest' apricot, pink, and yellow blend
'Secret' blush pink w/violet pink edging, beautiful form in bud, bloom, and shape of bush.
'Tournament of Roses' coral pink, hardy, good production, and continuous bloom, nice shapely bush.

A floribunda or two you might consider are:
'Sunsprite' bright yellow, vigorous, hardy, compact and bushy, great scent, never out of bloom, dark green foliage.
'Our Lady of Guadeloupe' baby pink diito comment from 'Sunsprite'

How about some good Austins for cutting:
'Jude the Obscure' I think you have this one... I have nine and want to add 3 more... it smells that good!
'The Generous Gardener' not long lasting in the vase but incredible scent and very pretty open bloom.
'Teasing Georgia'
'Golden Celebration' must be sprayed
'The Prince'
'Othello'
'Brother Cadfael'
'Sharifa Asma'
'Mayor of Castorbridge'
'Gertrude Jekyll'
'Scepter'd Isle'
'Queen of Sweden'
'Graham Thomas'
'Ambridge Rose'
'William Shakespeare 2000'

BTW, I have heard only good comments about 'New Zealand' for cooler climates.
Rob
canadian_rose
14 years ago
Rob - My Brother Cadfael (I had it for 3 years at my old house) had a great deal of trouble opening. Every flush (quite a prolific bloomer) was a frustration of balled roses. However, in a drier environment, it would probably be wonderful!

Carol
greenhaven
Original Author
14 years ago
Thanks, Rob! :o) I have done the parade-in-the-rain. It's not so bad. ;o)

Your list is extensive...some are already on my wish list, so that is a good thing!

These are all good for cutting, too?

Yorkrose, yes, somewhat familiar with Buck Roses! I have 'Prairie Harvest,' and was going to SP it because the blooms were so blousy and shattered so quickly. Glad I dragged my feet, because it is much better this year. I have some more Bucks on my list....they tend to cut and hold well in vases?
brother_cadfael
14 years ago
Green...

I forgot to ask you how 'Martin Frobisher' is doing.

Yes, those are good for cutting.

Rob
serenasyh
14 years ago
uh, Greenhaven don't!!!! get Queen Elizabeth if you want fragrance. It smells like plastic. A lovely rose with dark glossy foliage, but boring, boring and scentless! Plus it will get blackspot especially if you're no spray.Blech! If you want a healthy monster rose that is bubble gum pink , whose blooms stay cut long and is a frequent bloomer and very fragrant! Aromatherapy is a rose that anyone can grow, even the blackest of thumbs-like me. Only drawback about Aromatherapy is that its foliage is very leathery and olivish green-not exactly a very pretty hue of foliage, maybe that's why it's so resistant--pests seem to hate the foliage, LOL! It's hardy to zone 5 from what I've read, and it sure gets tough looking fat monster canes, LOL!
kandaceshirley
14 years ago
I've had bella'roma for five years and it always comes back, is beautiful and smells great. It does tend to come back later than my other roses, so give it some time each spring before you give up on it. There's also Mr. Lincoln and the new JP rose (not named yet, I've heard rumours it will be next year it's a very dark velvety red) which sometimes has a wonderful fragrance and sometimes not. As far as other cutting roses I have, some of my bucks don't do so well cut (ie Prairie breeze) but others do wonderfully (ie prairie sunrise which smells wonderful by the way). Jude doesn't do well for me in a vase, but others I have that do well and aren't hyprid teas are: abraham darby
teasing georgia
westerland
christopher marlowe

and much more. I have very few teas since they don't seem to like it here. I figure why fight it when there are so many other wonderful roses I enjoy?
Terry Crawford
14 years ago
Hey Green....what's this about adding more roses? You and I had this talk and you were thinking about scaling back after you saw the JBs at my house. Anyway, after you saw my obsession....I do not winter protect at all...nada....have yet to lose a HT and like I said....the Taboo even made it through last year without a drop of protection. All they get is the mulch at their feet and the oak leaves that blow in. Gotta be hardy to live at my place!
Cheers,
Terry
liane_z4_canada
14 years ago
Folklore.
Liane
judith5bmontreal
14 years ago
I have a few HT's that have wintered over well, with just a 10" mound of soil for protection and planted 2" deep.

Elina - great cut, no fragrance though
Marilyn Munroe, light fragrance, beautiful apricot blooms
Ice Girl Freelander - very fragrant, white
Cinderella Freelander - gorgeous pink, light fragrance
Valencia - lovely blooms
New Zealand - one more vote here!
Limelight - great yellow, nice scent, lasts well
Caramel Antike - another Freelander you would love
(All Freelanders last well in the vase)

The rest of my HT's are planted just this spring, so it's too early to comment on hardiness.

Have fun with your cutting garden! Yes, have faith, it can be done in our zone....

Judith
greenhaven
Original Author
14 years ago
Awesome! My list is getting long.....

teryjean, yeah......*sigh* I know. I am. I won't. I have to! :o/ I have some of your most gorgeous, vigorous ones written down. I did love Miss All American Beauty, and Tropicana, among others! You might want to list me some of YOUR favorite HT's, though.

Rob, Martin Frobisher is GREAT!!! He went in the ground fine, bloomed a little for me, and is currently throwing out some gorgeous new foliage. He still has some of his yuckly leaves, but if he isn't throwing them away I am letting him keep them. I am very fond of him already.

Thnak you, thank you thank you to all you cold-zoners who chime in and share what works for you! I will just have a little bed. A wee little, tiny bed. Eensy, even. Of cutting roses. Really!
judith5bmontreal
14 years ago
"A wee little, tiny bed. Eensy, even."....

Well, we all know how THAT'S going to end up....:0)

Judith
athenainwi
14 years ago
I like Judith's list. My best ones are Veteran's Honor, Marilyn Monroe, Falling in Love, and Gold Medal. Queen of Hearts and Countess Sonja are both lovely but don't have much scent. Ice Girl hasn't impressed me yet but it's only two years old. Elina and Valencia were very nice this spring but have been eaten rather thoroughly by the Japanese beetles since then. Moondance and Fragrant Plum aren't hybrid teas, but they both cut well and smell good. Black Magic is another cut rose that doesn't have much of a scent but it is long lasting and blooms a lot. I don't do any winter protection.
Terry Crawford
14 years ago
OK, remember, you ASKED for it. Don't blame me when you're out of control like me :).

SOUTH AFRICA..I know it's a flori, but it blooms nonstop. Ruffled, gorgeous yellow blooms that cover the bush in long sprays all summer It was in the back garden next to Dainty Bess. Great for cutting; lasts in the vase.

PINK PEACE...huge, vivid pink blooms.

RED INTUITION...this was on your list, remember? Order from Steve Singer @ Wisconsin Roses.

CAMILLE PISARRO...a yellow creamy stripey. Love the coloration.

Maybe add 'OUT OF AFRICA' for your MIL's garden since she wanted an orange? And pair it with some Tiki Torch coneflowers...you'd be glowing! That's a lot of orange.
Enough enabling....I'm out of here. We have a date in the spring for you to come back to dig up some hostas, remember?
-terry
greenhaven
Original Author
14 years ago
Thanks, teryyjean, your participation in no way condemns you when I am weeping in a ball on the garden path. My destruction is my own, lol! I already have The Quest for MIL, and got one for myself. Not a fan of orange....but I am trying not to dis new experiences. I will NOT forget our date! :o)

Judith: Ummmm.....*hangs head* whispers: Thanks! :o)
taoseeker
14 years ago
I have a friend in an area with similar winters to a USDA sone 5, she grows:

Hanne
Burgund 81
Peace
Ingrid Bergman
Pascali
Nostalgie
Aloha (not a HT but close enough)
liane_z4_canada
13 years ago
Pascali is a great rose, perfect shape, very hardy. Long lasting but the blooms are small and it has no fragrance.
Liane
unbiddenn
13 years ago
Mr Lincoln and I don't even cover it.
jont1
13 years ago
I don't winter protect my roses here in zone 5/6 (right on the USDA map border for those zones)in northwest Missouri.
Here are my favorite HT's with fragrance that I don't winter protect at all.
Veterans' Honor
Moonstone
Honey Dijon
Wild Blue Yonder
Double Delight
April In Paris
Royal Dane
Lagerfeld
Blackberry Nip
Melody Parfumee
Tahitian Sunset
Day Breaker
Honey Perfume
Sweet Surrender
Paul Shirville

Hope this helps,
John
greenhaven
Original Author
13 years ago
Oh wow, forgot I had even posted this, lol!! Usually I am way behind my gardening come fall...this past year I went into winter in very good shape, but it's NOW I am behind! But revisiting this thread makes me excited again to have a nice cutting garden. Thanks for all the input, hopefully I will actually get this accomplished! :oP
john_az
13 years ago
Athenainwi's, if you happen to read this post again iwould like to send you an e-mail conserning winter protection.Iwent on your page but could'nt get your e-mail smith4227@webtv.net

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