Could it be 'Cile Brunner' otherwise known as the 'Sweetheart Rose' since it's baby-pink. Many old roses are once-blooming for an extended period in late spring-early summer. It just might be done for the year and one can wait for some nice hips to form. Also even most repeating roses have their big flush in that time and then will have some smaller flushes later in the year, usually in the fall with cooler weather. Here in Maryland most roses I notice have about three flushes or so. Depending on your climate it could be way different.

Those second flowers are hosta flowers! Hosta are used in borders and are often planted around shrubs. We have a spot where an old lilac used to be ( I assumed it was a lilac because there is one planted at the exact same spot on the other side of the house) and hostas come up around the petrified stump every year. If you clean out the weeds i.e. I think that's bittersweet and what I call 'junk' trees, often around here they're black walnut seedlings but those could also be sumac.

I'd say clean it out some trees and stuff often need some nice big loppers or even a small saw to cut them out. Pull up vines and such, especially bittersweet. Then assess the shrub itself.

If this rose repeats later in summer it is New Dawn. If it blooms only in spring, it is Dr. Van Fleet. In both cases this is a wonderful and healthy rose, congratulations. These roses are easy to please, they are vigorous and rewarding. Unfortunately they also are quite thorny. So whatever you do be careful. Try to remove this other tall plant cutting it close to the ground. The lower growing plants with bell shaped flowers , as Max already mentioned, are hostas. You can dig them up and replant somewhere in more shady location.
Next spring (Late march-early April) you can shape your rose a little by removing old damaged and diseased canes and shortening others to fit your space. I believe you can ignore some spots on the leaves for now. Both ND and DvF are relatively healthy and will get over it w/o any help from your side. You can water it from time to time, when it is too dry and give it a little of 10-10-10 or any other balanced fertilizer (can be organic too) once or twice a year. Otherwise this plant will grow and bloom w/o any fuss.
Olga

May I suggest that you post your location/city here and ask for help from an antique rose person nearby to come and look over your roses and give you some hands-on pointers. Most of us are very willing to help, even in person. You could also hire a gardener to come work with you for a few hours for your other plants (but not the roses unless s/he really knows antique roses). And you might look into taking Master Gardener's program (usually held thru the county) if there is one close to you.

I have Dr. Van Fleet and I think it has more petals, more like a hybrid tea shape. Of course, she might have taken pictures of roses that were mostly bloomed out. It is definitely a wichurana cross, which DVF is. The shiny, beautiful leaves are from that type.
First thing to do is get a pair of gauntlet gloves and some pruners if you want to take up roses.
Here's a picture of DVF.

Here is a link that might be useful: Dr. Van Fleet

Here's another vote for Dr. Van Fleet. I'm sure of it. If this rose was planted in the 1920's, it shouldn't be New Dawn (because New Dawn was registered in 1930.). I see no signs of rebloom in any of the photos, either.

As far as rose care, Dr. Van Fleet is a vigorous climber, and will happily eat the side of your house if you let him. He makes new canes each year from the base of the plant, as well as adding to the length of his existing canes. I maintain my Dr. Van Fleet by removing some of the older canes each year, to make way for the new. You can safely remove up to 1/3 of the bulk this way if you need to. It is not necessary to remove the dried, spent flowers unless you want to.

The other flowers on the stalk are definitely hosta. Whenever you can get to them, go ahead and dig them up and move them to a shady spot in your yard. Hostas are shade-loving perennials, and they will not do well in the sunny conditions that roses need. Hostas grow into lovely mounds of colorful, heart-shaped leaves, with flower stalks that appear in summer. Hostas are grown primarily for the leaves, though some hosta flowers are fragrant. Cut off the flower stalk once it has finished blooming.

The tall thing sticking out the top of the rose looks like a walnut tree. Perhaps it was a gift from a generous squirrel who planted a walnut there for you.

As catsrose said, there are a lot of us who are more than willing to come by and lend a hand to get new rose growers off to a good start. Just let us know where you are.

Connie

I grow a lot of hosta underneath roses. The roses are big enough to provide a good shady environment. Dr. Van Fleet is certainly large enough to do that.

The tree my be an ash. It has to go. The other stuff is bittersweet. That really has to go. I'd cut them down, and carefully paint the cuts with concentrated Round Up. If they grow back, do it again. Eventually they'll give up.

Around here, the rose season was very early this year. The main flush was about two weeks early.

BTW, somebody has been pruning those roses fairly severely. Given where they are placed, this is probably necessary.

It does look like New Dawn, especially if it repeat blooms later in the year. The only problem with this theory is that New Dawn was introduced in 1930 and you guess that rose was planted a bit earlier than that. Dr. Van Fleet was introduced earlier in 1910 and is once bloomer.

Either way, it looks like wichurana, so you should not concern yourself with some spotty leaves, it will get over with it itself. As people already mentioned, plants with big round leaves and blue flowers are hostas, you can replant them, or leave them where they are after you tidy the rose up. The other plants look like self-seeded trees/shrubs, I would get rid of all of them, just cut them down very low on soil level or try to dig them out if they are not too close to the rose roots.

Also you should buy a pair of good rose gloves and try to look what is going on with the canes of the rose. Normally I do that in spring, when narcissus start to bloom. I assume, in NY there is a period in the winter when the rose looses the leaves - if you can't find a person to help you sort it out, you could post a picture of bare canes, it would be easier then to give a better advise which canes to remove.

It will be difficult task to sort out such big, thorny and not trained rose, but wichuranas usually are not too sensitive to pruning and can take some abuse. :)

I am just now checking in, but won't have a chance to fully reply until after this weekend.. so I will have a much more in depth reply in a few days!

However, I just needed to post to express my gratitude towards everyone for taking the time to share your knowledge and advice! Thank you, thank you, thank you (I really can not thank you enough)!

I am happy to read that our roses are healthy. In the Spring (before I found this forum) I did do some research and prune the rose bush before it bloomed (removed the dead canes/wood, and trimmed it back only a little bit because it was beginning to intertwine with our front porch!)

Thank you for the opinions on the other plants growing within it... glad to know the proper name of the flower.. hosta! It will definitely be a challenge replanting and removing everything -- but I am determined and willing to take on the challenge!

Also very quickly.. I do need to correct myself on the date the rose was planted. I went back in our research photos, and realized that the photo I was referencing as having the beginnings of the rose bush was actually taken in 1939. So I suppose it could in fact be New Dawn as well? So sorry for the confusion! I will pay close attention to see if it blooms again. I can also post additional photos of the rose when it was in bloom, to see if it may lead to a more certain answer.

Oh, and I am located in Staten Island, NY if anyone is nearby!

More to come later, I promise! Everyone have a great holiday weekend! I hope you will be out enjoying your beautiful gardens (and antique roses!) this 4th of July.

I second the suggestion about New Dawn or DrVan Fleet --the deciding fator being repeat bloom----the blooms are identical

I have several ND bush all propagated from the original---It is a lovely rose just be careful of the thorns----

Good luck with your new rose adventure--

I have many pictures ----too many to pick a favorite---LOL
they are a lovely pink initially but fade to almost white from the sun.
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a bowl full of ND
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Florence

You're welcome oldhouselover. Hoping you're doing well with your garden, and I'm pretty sure there are a few New Yorkers on here, I'm sure they'd be willing to help and talk gardening with you.

Gardening can be hard work, for sure, but it is so rewarding! I hope you're having fun with it, and also, if you have a railing, let New Dawn twine a bit in it, gives a really good romantic look!

Good luck!

Max

oldhouselover, I am almost certain that random tree growing in the middle of the roses is a Tree of Heaven. They are extremely invasive and known as "junk" trees. You will probably never be able to "get rid of it". You won't be able to pull it out. Cut it near to the ground as possible and about twice every summer cut again because it liberally sends shooters up. You can't use roundup because it's too close to the roses.

You must cut the tree of heaven to the ground. Given time, it willtake over and crowd out the roses.

Thank you again for the replies! Sorry it has taken me so long to reply again.

Krycek, and all of the others who recommend I cut/remove the tree growing within the roses. When is it best to attempt this? I can try to attempt to cut and remove it as best as I can now, especially if it will "damage" the roses. However, I was wondering if it would be better to wait until the winter when the roses are not flourishing and it is easier to get in between them to access the tree? Any advice as to how and when to remove it would be greatly appreciated!

Also, this week I noticed a very random and small rose bloom on the rose bush. A photo is below, as you can see it is just one and it doesn't seem as if any others are coming (yet?) ..and it is adorably TINY! I just thought it was very cute and had to share (and wouldn't mind an opinion on what may have happened!)

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If this is the first bloom you're finding on a plant that has been long-neglected, its size may not be representative of what the plant can do.

Jeri

..and Zeffy - thank you for sharing your photos! They are beautiful.. and I can understand why you can't pick a favorite! :)

Also, for the hosta -- I am confused as to whether I should replant or keep it underneath the roses. I'm guessing that it was probably added there on purpose, so I'm inclined to keep it that way for the "history", but I am really uncertain... does anyone have any additional opinions or advice on that? I'd love to listen!

With the junk tree, you can cut the tree down and then paint the stump's wound with a stump/vine or woody shrub killer. Since you use it concentrated and ONLY on the wound, it shouldn't be a problem being near your roses, just don't spill!

We did this with an ancient bittersweet vine that was growing up a very old juniper, the main stem being at least six inches or more in diameter. Nightmare vine.

well, 'history' is never fixed and immutable but always open to re-interpretation. Get a good book about heirloom plants and do not tie yourself in knots about the precise historical veracity. I am sure you will have a wonderful time researching the house and garden....but please grow what you like rather than what may have been there 100 years ago. Have fun. Oh, if you use a stump killer on the tree, cover it with a plastic bag and tape for a few months, just in case bird and insects may be affected. Good Luck and pleasure ahead.

Oldhouselover:

Concerning the tree, cut it whenever you would like or find convenient. It's already growing there, it won't hurt to leave it until fall when the leaves on the roses are cleared and it's easier to reach in there. Don't sweat it or worry :). Just make sure not to forget to cut it in the fall - it must go. 4 more months of growth from the tree won't hurt the rose.

Amazingly, if that is a Tree of Heaven, which I'm almost positive, that tree may be only one year old, possibly two. They grow fast. So don't forget to cut it out this fall :).

I personally would not use any herbicide whatsoever on the tree of heaven. Due to your sentimental feelings for the rose and desire to keep it as healthy as possible, the risk of accidentally spilling even a little herbicide is too great. Just be vigilant and be ready to cut the little shoots the ToH will inevitably send out in the spring once you cut it down.

I would move the hostas. Others here would have better knowledge on how/when to trim the rose to a more managable and visually appealing form. The hostas, though, are being overrun by the rose and if you would like to save them, move them. Even if you want to keep them in that bed, you can move them out of the way of the rose. It happens. Sometiems my stuff gets out of control so I just move it. It's hard to kill hostas. They'll be happy wherever you put them as long as it's not full sun.

Most importantly, don't OVERCARE for the rose!!!!!! :). That's the biggest mistake I see most people on all of these forums make, especially people new to gardening. I've seen more isntances of people overcaring for their plant and damaging it than undercaring for a plant.

Keep in mind, the rose is decades old and apparently no one cared for it too much, and it's still alive and thriving :). Ignore your impulses for fertilizer, watering everyday, and all that. It is a beautiful bush and I'm sure those on this forum will be able to help you trim it into a more managable form :).

What types of roses would these be?

Here is a link that might be useful: Old roses

Krycek, thank you so much for the reassurance! :) I think I will tackle the tree in the Fall, as it is really nearly impossible to get to right now. I promise I will not forget! I also hope to be able to successfully get rid of it without having to use an herbicide, as I really don't want to risk the rose bush (like you said), but I am also not wanting to put any harsh chemicals onto our yard either.

I did get an organic weed killer that is non toxic and safe for animals, but I don't even know if it would work on something as large as this tree anyways, so that would only be a last resort!

Also, thank you for your opinion and advice on the hosta. I will research replanting them (and I just discovered that there is a hosta forum, Gardenweb is truly golden!), and decide where to place them.

Not to worry, I have only watered it a few times (when we have had a tremendous heat wave and no rain!), and I don't use fertilizer. You are right in that it is a very strong bush, and definitely has a mind of its own (it really doesn't need too much of me!) I'm just here to admire it and "keep it in line" for the most part! :)

Also, any input on the small rose that bloomed out of nowhere on the bush this past week? It really looks nothing like the roses that bloomed previously, which I found odd and interesting!

Can you trace the cane that the small rose is blooming on and see if that's another rose bush under there?

I second the advice on not killing your rose with kindness. My recommendation is to keep an organic mulch on it at all times (dead leaves, thin layer of grass clippings, mulched up bits trimmed off of trees and shrubs), around the base of the rose, not letting it touch the trunk. If you have a heat wave and it doesn't rain for a month, give your rose a good watering--once. This is just to give you an idea of what you can do. I find that roses are very tough thrifty plants, and there are none tougher than 'New Dawn' and probably its parent 'Dr. Van Fleet' as well. I garden organically and am a strong believer in feeding the soil and not the plant. These simple methods work well in my garden.
Enjoy your new plants!
By the way, if you decide to move your hostas you should probably wait until fall to do it. Most plants hate being shifted when it's sunny and hot and they're in full growth.
Melissa

I just wanted to update that I was able to remove a lot of the "tree weed" behind the rose, the stump is still there but it is manageable, and I am watching it. I will remove it completely in the Fall when the rose isn't in full growth mode. :)

Thank you again everyone for the advice! I have just let the rose be for the most part, and it is growing beautifully - its canes are getting very long, and I love the way they are draping over the hill. I also am watching the rose hips form, which is kind of fun and interesting as well (I'm very curious and am eager to try to use them!)

As far as the random bloom goes, I think it may have been just that, I traced the cane and it was definitely part of the same bush. There was another that popped up a few weeks ago that looked like the rose I am used to seeing from this bush. Does that make it New Dawn you think? Maybe it is New Dawn and was struggling to re-bloom, or maybe it is Dr. Van Fleet and was just a fluke, I do not know!

:) I'll keep you posted on our roses!

..and thank you Melissa for the tip on the Hostas! I will definitely wait until Fall to move them. I don't think I could move them now if I tried since the roses would definitely "attack" me during my attempt! :)