ingrid, you said ht's aren't allowed, and then said that you were talking about modern hybrid teas. what about modern shrubs or hm??lol!!
I always figured they all fit together because they were roses, the only thing i use the classes for is to make it easier to choose between hardy or less hardy varieties and where i should plant them or whether to stay away from them because they are too tender or wouldn't do well, however i do have a few that might not make it through the winter. I figure the moderns are just children of the older ones, unless they found and hybridized a new species.

Ingrid, thanks for asking this question. I've been wanting to tell about Bon Chance or Mike's Old Fashioned Pink. It was bred by Malcolm Lowe in NH and is carried by Ashdowns. The shrub itself has a beautiful arching habit; the blossoms are pink with a silvery cast. It does well here in the south; I suspect bred by a New Englander it does well up there too. I rarely hear this one mentioned.

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Here is a link that might be useful: Mike's Old Fashioned Pink

Ingrid,
I do believe you're talking about shrub roses. These are roses grown as plants, with flowers just part of the package. Warm-climate gardeners got the Teas and Chinas handed to them on a platter, while gardeners in colder climes who wanted repeat flowering have had to jump through all kinds of hoops to get them. Jim in New York was complaining in a recent thread how little attention shrub roses got, and in fact breeders like Geschwind (sp.?) and Kordes in the mid 20th century were brilliant hybridizers whose roses aren't perhaps as well known as they deserve to be. I suspect there's a lot of breeding activity out there, but I know nothing about it. Paul Barden's work sounds interesting, also doesn't the Antique Rose Emporium offer modern roses bred for Texas conditions? but I don't know them. How about Brownell's hardy roses? We have his 'Golden Climber', and it's a good rose. Anyway, for non-antique roses that belong in the garden, the obvious first choice is the Hybrid Musks, beautiful, fragrant plants; and people are still breeding them. Lens in Belgium does, though I gather his varieties are often lacking in fragrance. The Reverend Pemberton rules!
All this can be summed up as my admission of ignorance on this worthwhile topic. If I've said a lot of things you already knew, I apologize.
Melissa

I have to ask about the hybrid tea 'Peace'. My DH gave it to me for Mother's Day and I know nothing about HTs because I've heard they have to be sprayed and I only do organic.
But,OMG the flowers on this plant are unreal!! They bud one color, open into another color, and mature into yet another color. All of these colors are beautiful.Soooooooo,
I planted it in my garden with all of my old garden roses.
I'm hoping it will do ok without spraying.
You're right, the plant itself is a little uninteresting compared to the other roses! But, it was a present and I must keep it and love it amd at least give it a chance. Right?
Betty

Len, perhaps I didn't explain myself very well. My idea was to find out what sorts of modern roses people grow that fit in with their old roses. It was probably wrong of me to exclude hybrid teas because they may work with old roses for some people. It may just be that my prejudices are getting in the way here, so let's include them.

Duchesse, your rose is so beautiful. I notice it's a cross between Heritage and William Baffin, and what a wonderful rose came from such an unlikely mix. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Ingrid

Shrubs, hybrid musks and floribundas "fit," but I since I also put in roses for my cats and people, I have all sorts. I put in Cl America and Purple Heart for my dad and Queen Elizabeth for my grandfather, who also loved roses. Gramps had three QE; he must have planted them right after she was introduced because they are one of my earliest memories. One of my favorite floribundas is Flower Girl, which is a perfect name for her. And a couple of my local nurseries put their end of season roses on sale for $2-$5, so I rescue those. So my historic rose garden includes modern history.

I grow what I like and don't really care how it is categorized. Like most, I started with the available HT's and then learned about the other kinds of roses. I mix everything together including vines and perennials. I find enjoyment in all of them, even the sticks with blooms on top!

In the picture below, starting with the Mandarin Honeysuckle in the lower center and going clockwise are:

Sweet Bouquet - Hybrid Musk
Rotes Meer - Rugosa
Rose de Rescht - Portland
Earth Song - Buck
Midnight Blue - modern shrub
The Mayflower - Austin
Knock Out - modern shrub
Sweet Surrender - HT with sticks concealed below bushy foliage

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I really like Brilliant Pink Iceberg with the Antique Roses. BPI blooms non-stop, with lovely fragrance.

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Here's a pic of the HT Fragrant Memory, with Mme Pierre Oger. Fragrant Memory has a lovely scent as well.

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These are 2 of my favorite modern roses mixed in with my OGR's.

Kordes, Hybrid Musk
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Delbard
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I have the old HT Madame Caroline Testout at the end of a bed next to Alfred de Dalmas, Gruss an Teplitz and Charles de Mills and don't think the madam looks out of place. (The Gruss does, a little). Modern roses with single flowers like Jacqueline du Pré and Applejack look perfectly alright in any company. I have Astrid Lindgren surrounded by a bunch of dark gallicas. Lyda Rose looks good with Stanwell Perpetual and Frau Karl Druschki, a gradation of white and pink. I had problems placing the HT Rose Gaujard because of its habit but not the colour so I planted hardy geraniums around it. This way I don't have to see the "lollipop on sticks".

I have kept all yellow and most apricot roses apart from the OGRs with bluish tones. But I have some apricots like AD and Sangerhäuser Jubiläumsrose among dark purple roses, old and new, La belle sultane, Centifolia a fleur double violette, Veilchenblau and Rhapsody in Blue. It's not a subtle combination but I like it a lot and its the one that visitors take pictures of.

Vineyard Song is on my want list. Bred by Moore in 1999. I love the big trusses of flowers.

Eric

Here is a link that might be useful: Vineyard Song at HMF

ingrid, with my hot, steamy, southern summers, I want to grow anyhing that is strong enough to survive..smile!

All my HT's are long gone, and I had around fifty. They required to much work for a lazy gardener. I love my Nearly Wild roses, Betty Prior,Knock Outs and others that work for me.

I have grown to love a couple mini roses that I guess I didn't consider important roses when I picked them up because I didn't even record the names. See the one below that I just call Pink Baby,

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I like Our Lady of Guadalupe, Quietness, and a quilled rose; Improved Cécile Brünner with my OGR's.

Yes, they are pink.

F.L.

I grow everything that works (I also have to like it). I have few HTs, some Austins, one Floribunda, several HMs, even two Knock Outs, Carefree Sunshine and Home Run. I also grow Gallicas, Albas, Mossess, Prtlands, Bourbons, Centifolias, Teas, Chinas, Ramblers and they all are mixed with modern shrubs and perennials. Equal opportunity gardening :), no discrimination.
Olga

How refreshing to hear you all accepting "other" roses into your old rose gardens!

Harry I love your exuberant garden! (I NEED that Mandarin honeysuckle, tell me where you found it!)

peplill, that Kordes 'Grandmaster' is incredible. I've never heard of it but it reminds me of something, I can't remember what just now.

Olga, I've admitted to having a Knockout and a Blushing Knockout and, yes, they have their place and function. As a sidenote, I've wanted to SP KO for two years now and my DH has persuaded me to think otherwise. His logic is how can you want to dig out the most disease resistant, insect resistant, floriferous, most densly foliated, and hardiest rose in our garden? That's when I give it another chance until I can figure out another rose that has the same qualifications I can replace it with (when he's on a business trip!) Blushing KO is a more pleasing pink with bluish green foliage, better to blend with other roses so it stays.

I also have Carefree Sunshine (thank you Jean!) which is new to me last year but is turning out to be sensational. It is a soft butter yellow and just as disease resistant as the KOs.

Of course, most of the hybrid musks qualify, lots of shrubs, oh, Sally Holmes definitely, and rugosa hybrids, there are just too many to mention. I haven't had much luck with the floribundas I've tried, something about the wavy petal form that doesn't match, or color, or stiffness, I don't know what it is.

Think about bloom form, color, and fragrance and try to match them to the antiques you love. It's fun!

My new love - Autumn Sunset with goldflame honeysuckle
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I need to chime in about Carefree Sunshine. Mine is 3-4 yrs. old and is coming into her own! The spring flush has been great and after pruning, is putting on new buds. The foliage is as clean as any I have in my no-spray garden. I guess she just needed to mature. One thing about her, she has finally grown to the top of the fence and has good sun all day. That may be the difference maker. Or the alfalfa tea and Moo-nure! Buff

I will also chime in regarding Carefree Sunshine - a real bloom machine. I have the MTB iris "Butter on Ice" on either side and in my eyes, it is a wonderful combination.
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and Leonie Lamesch in the same bed
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Kathy

I like some of the Renaissance roses. I have been growing Helena Renaissance for a while.

Unfortunately it has too much HTishness in it and it struggles to recover after the winter.

Flower Girl by Fryer.