Bummer, because these are two of the finest for the south.
I've only purchased one band before, and it was the old china rose, "Spice". It was a tiny, little newly rooted cutting in a small container. It grew & bloomed like crazy and by the end of the summer was a nice sized plant.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy Duchesse de Brabant as a band from Vintage. It would do fine. Go for it. However, I would not buy SdlM as a band. SdlM is much slower to get established and is a much smaller plant. On that one, I'd wait until ARE has it available and get their big 2-gallon sized plant.

Randy

I am pretty sure I saw these two roses as available at Roses Unlimited when I was there on Monday. But better call today, they are having a rose study day again this weekend, and I think there was only one SLDM that was not marked as sold.

Kathy

Here is a link that might be useful: Roses Unlimited

I certainly don't mean to contradict Randy but I've grown both DdB and SdlM from rooted cuttings. Ddb matured extremely fast and SdlM grew better than most band sized roses.
The band sized roses I've received from Vintage have been well rooted and good sized plants with only a couple of exceptions.
The bands that Vintage uses are 3 inches square and 5 1/2 inches deep (tall). I transplant them into one-gallon pots and as soon as the roots show in the bottom (couple of months) I put 'em in the ground. I've never had a problem with bands.
Hamp

I think I got SdlM from Pickering.

That's good to know, Hamp. I'll have to take a cutting of SdlM and give it a try. I guess nothing about SdlM should surprise me though, it's such a great rose.

Hamp, this is off topic, but do you know I have never had a cutting of MDC that failed to root? That just still amazes me.

Randy

While you're shopping RU, you need Mystic Beauty too.

Carla

I am pretty sure MB is sold out and there is a waiting list. I read that on another thread.

I got my SDLM from Chamblee's and it should be blooming any day now. I know I should cut it off in favor of new growth but I don't have the heart. Two of the sepals are fully open...can you feel the excitement..lol

Sunni

Randy, MDC's ease of propagation is typical of its class. No doubt there are exceptions, but every true tea I've ever tried to propagate has been quick and easy. Even those that have been relatively slow to develop after they've rooted have been a piece of cake to get started.

SDLM is fairly easy too if you take your cuttings after the weather has warmed up. I've had zero luck getting it to root from dormant cuttings.

sherri, I ordered 12 bands from Vintage (one was DdB). You could either plant them in the ground now, or put them in pots for a few months. I did get bands last year and within a few months, they are a good size.

So if you really want these two, order them now.

I have 4 SDLM's and the best ones I have are grafted onto R. fortuniana.

Sheriberrie, if you write James Mills at K&M in Mississippi, he might have SDLM on fortuniana. I can tell you mine have done much better than own-root. In fact, they were the same size before end of the first season as my 7- and 8-year-old own root SDLM and they have maintained about a 3-4 foot size.

ARE has Duchesse available again! Yeah! I just went nuts and brought 4 of them. I might try to get SDLM on fortuniana. Thanks for the suggestion.

Yeah, Sheri! Congrats! My Duchesse came from a local vendor who's supplier is ARE. It's a beauty of a rose!

That's good to know, rosyone. The only other tea I've tried to root has been G. Nabonnand, and it was not nearly as easy as MDC ... but I finally did get one of its cuttings to root. When my Duchesse gets bigger, I'll be sure to try it.

Randy

Just wanted to post this info...Both SDLM and DdB are available at PetalsfromthePast.com in Jemison, Alabama...I haven't oredered from them before, but my neighbor has and she said they were great....I just ordered a SDLM from them yesterday.
Good luck!
Michelle
PS...What is the rose name MDC? Thanks!

Bamabutterfly, I am a regular at PFTP and have every rose they sell (or have had). I shovelpruned all the gallicas, damasks, albas years ago that do not do well in my climate. For some reason, their being 40 miles north of me, located on a hilltop, they get much better bloom from the chill-loving roses, but admittedly "they got da' touch" too. I have always suspected Jason (and he knows I accuse him of it as we are friends) sneaks out in the middle of warm November nights and places dry ice about. :)

He grows poppies that should not grow or bloom in this area as well as delphinium that are not seen as far north as Huntsville blooming and thriving but Jason has that touch and even Dr. Powell admits Jason can grow things and bloom things that might not bloom for others. (I love the Powells and they are wonderful, well-informed, educated horitcultural/agricultural people).

They do indeed sell wonderful roses and most of the bourbons, HPs, Teas, Noisettes and Chinas that will do well in the South are sold at Petals from the Past and yes, they have great plants, great growers and caring staff. Now, Jason, if you are reading here, where's ma free stuff?

Michelle, sorry about that ... "MDC" = "Mrs Dudley Cross"

Randy

Just to give you a taste of what's coming for you.

Randy

A few blooms from my Souvenir de la Malmaison:
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NO FAIR! I want to not only see them, I want to smell them.
gnabonnand that is gorgeous! OMG. I can't wait. How big do yours get?

Sheri, my SdlM is several years old, and it now wants to be about 5 ft tall by 6 ft wide. I prune it to keep it somewhat smaller, only because I don't have a lot of room in that space. Unlike some of the true tea roses, my SdlM does not mind being pruned at all, it doesn't sulk afterward. You don't need to get SdlM grafted onto some other rose's roots ... that's not necessary in NorthCentral Texas nor do I think it would be necessary down the interstate in North Louisiana. This is a strong, well-adapted rose here once established and is fine with my less than perfect soil (I did amend it as best I could before planting). The fragrance is good to my nose, kind of a powdery scent. I can smell it especially well when cut and brought inside for a bud vase.

Randy

here's a few of my SDLM only a year old

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Thanks for the pics...they are gorgeous. Randy, do you have any advice on growing SdLM? I was considering a huge pot on my deck, so I could keep an extra eye on her. Is that a good idea?
Michelle

Hotpotatoe, that is gawgeous!

Randy, do you have Mystic Beauty? If not, I would like to be the first to recommend the waiting list for you.

Hotpotatoe might be growing the Climbing version of SDLM which has a lot more vigor than the non climbing version.
SDLM (non-climbing)( three from different vendors) does have some vigor problems elsewhere in the country (and I expect that's why some on fortuniana are the great ones).
I would expect good SDLM's to be as strong as Souv de St. Annes.
Randy, is there something special about your soil pH?

Nope, nothing special about my soil or its pH level. I just mix in a lot of compost when preparing the bed prior to planting. My native soil is brick-hard red clay, so it has to be amended heavily. I'm not complaining too much though ... some other areas around Dallas have brick-hard BLACK clay, which is very alkaline and miserable to work with. My red clay is a lot more balanced, pH wise.
Souvenir de la Malmaison just seems to love it here for some reason.
In fact, I'd call it a very vigorous rose here. For instance, I can hard prune it to 2 ft tall in the spring, and it's back to 4 or 5 foot by first frost.
Whatever type of blackspot fungus we have here (and we do have blackspot), SdlM doesn't seem to be much bothered by it.
And as far as balling, I grow roses with many fewer petals than this petal-packed momma that ball like crazy in the spring, but my SdlM is rarely affected.

Patricia, thanks for the recommendation. Your're right, I probably do need Mystic Beauty. And Souvenir de St Annes is a winner here too, from what I've seen in gardens around town.

Mine is in the ground, but I wouldn't have a problem growing SdlM in a container either. It would do fine that way. It's really a special rose.

Randy

Let me jump on the bandwagon with Randy and sing praises to Souvenir de la Malmaison. I have three and all are very vigorous and virtually disease free after their initial bout with PM in the spring. Never a sign of balling here and so far no RMV. The own root version is more 'sprawly' than the budded version from J&P. I guess since its budded on Dr. Huey is the reason it grows more upright.
I have a 6 year old Souvenir de St. Anne's (own root) and the younger SdlM (also own root)is as healthy and larger.
I know some have had problems with this rose but thankfully I haven't. May be the soil or maybe I'm just lucky, don't know.

Patricia, my soil is pretty much clay and is slightly acidic (6.3-6.5)but nothing that requires adjusting. They don't get any special treatment from me, just an occasional application of whatever fertilize I happen to have, usually 8-8-8 and a good layer of mulch. During the rainy season (which we haven't had in a while) I do spray with Banner Maxx 'cause this is the black spot capitol of the world.
Hamp

I bought some roses in bands from Vintage Gardens in Sebastopol, California. (I am brand new to this forum, so I don't know whether the Vintage everyone is referring to is the same place.)

The banded plants are smaller--some even look quite puny--but apparently banding makes shipping a lot less expensive. (I picked mine up, since I live close by.)

As recommended by the folks at Vintage Gardens, I planted the banded roses in pots to establish larger root systems before transplanting them into the ground. Some are still in pots because I haven't decided where to plant them (I've gone a little overboard with roses), but whether in pots or in the ground already, they are all thriving, even the ones that looked kind of puny to start with.

Here is a link that might be useful: Vintage Gardens

Randy and Hotpotatoe: You are both formally accused of blatant enabling!

No one on this Forum has the power to resist those breathtaking photos.

Oh gawd, I keep passing up SdlM thinking I don't need it. WTH is wrong with me! Those pics don't make me drool - they make me slobber! Consider me enabled and on the hunt for one. Thanks! : )

Diana

Roses Unlimited has SDLM as of yesterday. Mystic Beauty however is sold out.

Have you tried Antique Gardens Nursery in St Martinville. According to their website, they have Duchess de Braband and Souvenir de Mal Maison. I have never purchased from them, but they come highly regarded by the Baton Rouge Rose Society. It might be worth it to drive down there and eat some great Cajun food.