Thanks again to everyone! It is very reassuring to hear your comments. I had a lot of help with this list of roses from 2 freinds. Consensus was to stick to mostly teas, chinas, H musks and noisettes. Having grown Hts in the past it is a learning curve. What really amazes me is how I could have missed all these truly superior beautiful roses all these years. No looking back now! Hi Robert, you mention supports. You have touched on something I have been thinking about. Some of the roses such as Lady H and Cloth of Gold will be grown as climbers and there is support for those roses. However my area of concern is the H Musks. I love their soft relaxed growth style and want to accentuate that but also feel that they might benefit from something to lean on? Maybe this is unwarranted? I have an unlimited supply of log poles from my neighbouring vineyard, so would like to make use of them if possible. I made a teepee out of them today, but it was very difficult for me to manage the weight of the logs in that design by myself. Would something like a hitching rail or post and rail fence section work for HM's? I can build this by myself. The poles would allow for a finished height of about 4-5 foot with a 7 foot spread. Hi Carol, I grew up in Ojai Cal. Northern Cal was always one of my favourite haunts, you are fortunate to live there! You are correct, where I live now is very similar to many areas of California. Grapes, canola, cherries and alfalfa are the local crops, and lots of sheep. Deb

oooh, Ingrid, I'll tell DH we have lots of money. He'll be happy. :)) Here's a pic of Rosette Delizy that I just took. Diameter of flowers is about the same as length of leaves - less than 2". You might think this is a heat thing, but they were only a smidge larger in spring. Here's the bush. Quite wide and about 6' tall. Do yours and mine look at all like the same bush?? Location, location, location. Yellow teas here are quite disappointing to me except for Anna Olivier who maintains a huge petal count and diameter even now. She has the same almost white yellow color but is more pleasing to me due to size. Veronica, honestly, I didn't look for the pink wash since I could barely find the flowers, and they were more white than yellow, too. She's thornless and came from RPN so I'm sure she is MDC. Don't know what effect my soil may have on yellow teas. And truly, this summer my roses look pretty good, well leafed and blooming for the most part in the front anyway. Being in the ground, getting fed and watered more must be good things. :)) I'll mark you down as a vote for Alexander Hill Gray. It's good to know he's a good bet here. Too bad about Reubens. I read it's a beautiful rose. WRS's flower size now wouldn't bother me too much because of its shape if it really is like the Cochets. I'll try to be very discreet about what I dig up. It will almost kill me to dig up RD so I would rather not, but I think I would really like Carefree Beauty who really looks like he can put on a show - even though not an antique. Sherry

Kim, I will when we get a chance to visit her garden. She is about moms age and either did not hear the phone ringing or was tired from the party yesterday and was not answering this morning. BUT, she left 3 of the roses from the bunch she picked yesterday, she said the rose has been there at least 20 years and is covered in blooms. She has lived there since the 50-60's and is on the Santa Barbara "Mesa" The roses she left are a good 4" across and look like either a very deep rich colored "Peace" or a lighter than Seil's HPF Granada photo and more like the ones from the Olympia Rose Society garden photo. I forgot to do a sniff test, but they were sitting outside with them yesterday so guessing the sniff test would have been nothing to smell. Mom is in love with them, so I will have to try and start a few cuttings of them I should note, I had no more planned rose bush location designated around the house. So no idea where it will end up, but it is from her friends place so it would end up and a special spot. Mom wants to visit one of her other friends rose gardens too, I might need a bigger green house.... (the local Rose Society visited this friends gardens this spring and she says she has hundreds of plants)

Busy day with adult kids home for Dad's birthday...couldn't REALLY get to the garden until they left. (Go home kids, Mom's got work to do....not)Anyhow, after they left I got to change from Mom to Gardenwoman. DH got out the weed trimmer and we trimmed the paths through where I had all my sun- loving flowers last summer. Now I Have found where the beds are supposed to be, LOL. THere are about 40 Stargazer lilies that were completely hidden under bindweed, but I don't think it had covered them long because they don't look too bad. Others that were one yr lilies last year are looking much better and I found an inula that I planted last yr that is 2 ft hight and has a flower in full bloom! I never had one bloom or even saw it other then in the catalog! I have half a doxen seedlings to set out to join company with the one, which I am sure whill take off and grow much larger. I have to figure out what to plant in the peony bed. LAst yr I planted zinnias and they grew 5-6' tall and I was afraid I would loose my peonies! They did survive but I don't want to do that again! Tomorrow I will start digging out the beds. I pulled all the plants out of the greenhouses today and set them out in our cool overcast weather, hoping it rains on them tonight. And the dahlias that I started in pots, I have several open flowers from...all anemone or singles for my own pleasure. 'Fire and Ice' is very pretty! OH for a week with no interruptions! Unfortunately I beleive I have a day in the city for a dental appt midweek. ...hope it pours all day! DAng,,,forgot to move my sprinkler hose and turn it back on and it is dark now. OH well, found another one under the grass in the garden I was working on so tomorrow maybe I can get two of them going. OH yes, I have the first Chrysanthmum 'Merry Mix' flower...cute! Also the Campus Apricot cosmos are beginning to bloom (strange color, like orange over purple- pink). Haven't even planted any regular ones out.