Well, there's some that are hard to choose from.

Just from what I know, if the Cochets are doing well for you, Wm. R. Smith might be a good option.
He's very closely related, but yellow-y-pink.

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I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Devoniensis -- and I think in enough heat it grows well, but some clones are not vigorous.

But maybe Marie van Houtte might be the ticket.
Do you have any of the cluster-flowering Noisettes out of the Old Blush group???
Have you looked at Mrs. Woods Lavender Pink Noisette?

Jeri

Sherry,
I loved Marie van Houtte. I rarely hear anyone mention that rose, so I was so excited to hear Jeri recommend it. Very healthy and constantly in bloom. It looks good with pinks.

I wish I'd ordered Beaute Inconstante sooner than I did because I was very intrigued by her changeable colors. Never saw how she did past first year, and I didn't dig her up. I'm sorry I didn't.

I don't know if Safrano will thrill your soul; I only have had Isabella Sprunt, which was very healthy and bloomed a great deal, but it is not a heavily petaled beauty. It is gorgeous in bud, though.

Have you tried Belinda's Dream? She might like your all day hot sun. Mine on the east side never was particularly happy - not enough sun or heat. She is a pretty rose. Devoniensis is my favorite tea rose. MvH is second, probably.

A smaller tea rose is Mme. Melanie Willermoz, another one I brought with me. RU carries it. Really beautiful blooms. I think Ingrid has this one; maybe she can say how it does in the heat if you're interested in ordering it.

Buck's Quietness is a beautiful pink, kinda tall-ish but I don't think it will get terribly wide. Very vigorous and blooms a lot. You'd like the blooms, I bet. Just one I noticed that Rose Petals carries.

If you want pics of any of these, let me know. take care, Gean

Thanks, all. Sometimes I think I could have a whole garden of Maman Cochets and SdlM's.

Jeri, Wm R Smith is a real looker. I can see the family resemblance. MVH is a definite temptation as is Devoniensis. Blush Noisette is the next rose over. I wonder how that would look - the white noisette next to the Lavender Pink Noisette next to Gen Gallieni.

Ingrid, your words were very helpful and encouraging since I don't think I have rodents :)), so Rival de Paestum will surely survive in my garden, right? Mildew really isn't a problem here even in spring. Interesting to know that Georgetown Tea and Mme Lambard may be the same rose. I thought Lambard/Lombard are the same, too. I'll put you down as a vote for WRS & MWLPN.

Gean, I've seen a mature MVH - very huge, but I don't know how long it took to get that big. She's a Vintage #3. It's nearly impossible but I'm trying to resist #3's. I like the photos of her that I've seen. I have tried Belinda's Dream. Loved her flowers and fragrance, but she got BS and defoliated plus she gets huge here eventually. Mme Melanie Willermoz is a possibility. I have admired her in the past. Quietness does sound good because of its bush shape. I never could bite on it because I was doubtful about its BS resistance. Everyone of these roses is a temptation, so I'm keeping score.

Sherry

If Quietness is anything like Carefree Beauty, it is very BS resistant. I've thought about it for my garden,bc I love CB! Safrano is very healthy and a good bloomer here.

oooh, Buff, I think you convinced me.

Sherry

If you want "big fat flowers" then avoid Safrano. I had it, and I would call it's flowers semi-double at best. They're a beautiful color and shape in bud, but they open and shatter within a day--two days tops.

William R. Smith--crammed with petals--does it even HAVE stamens? Peachy/yellow/pink blend. I never saw mine grow up--it's at the old place--but I hear gets BIG.

Do you already have Duchesse de Brabant? or Mme Joseph Schwartz?

Belle, I used to have DdB. For two years it was a thrips magnet. She left last October and this year I hardly had any thrips. I have 2 in pots that I rooted before I gave mine away. I kinda don't know what to do with them. They're growing so well that I hate to give them (my babies) away, but I have no place for them. I've heard MJS is beautiful but I'm not partial to less petals. Thanks for the tip about Safrano. WRS really sounds good.

Sherry

I'm rather useless, but if you look at noisettes, please at least glance at "Natchitoches Noisette"... it's so pretty on HMF. I think I might have to shove it in somewhere.
It's rather pointless, but from all the pics in the Tea book and HMF, WRS is SO GORGEOUS. I've heard it gets big, though, which was holding me back from it.

There's a climber that's probably very hard to find that you would love: Pink Powderpuff. It's a Ralph Moore rose. It has that pretty SDLM look. The HT Zalud House Shingled Rasberry is one of my favorite roses. It has big beautiful pink flowers. I love Madame Charles. Without support mine grows 4 feet tall and 6 feet wide. I've noticed that the hot weather flowers are small though. Some of the HPs can be small climbers. How are they in your climate? I love the blooms on Pierre Notting and Robert Duncan(not light pink though).

Sherry, if you like MvH, please consider Mrs. Dudley Cross, a very similar but smaller version, and thornless to boot. I've seen MvH called "Mrs. Dudley Cross on steroids" so that is a good indicator that MDC is much smaller. I have both of them but they're not large enough to comment on. I've had MDC before and loved it. Of course you may already have it.

Ingrid

You know, Ingrid, I've only heard great things about MDC, but I have her and am totally unimpressed with her and am considering replacing her with another SdlM. Mine has no pink on the flowers ever, and they are so nondescript and small (quarter-sized and palest yellow) and few as to be invisible. Maybe she's a slow starter, but I think in the end she will go. And if MvH is like her but bigger, then I guess she would not be a candidate even though I have loved her photos. Thanks for the helpful comparison. Another bad choice for my garden averted. I wish I knew why MDC is like she is in my garden.

Sherry

I don't know why either, Sherry, but didn't you also mention that your Rosette Delizy is that way? Perhaps for whatever reason roses with shades of coloration don't show their darker hues in your situation. As for size, the few blooms I've had of MDC have by no means been small, even in the heat. I'm afraid you and I have to do it the hard way (i.e. expensive): buy roses and hope for the best and be willing to give away/discard. I'm so glad we both have more money than we know what to do with.

Ingrid

Sherry,

When you say that your MDC has quarter sized and yellow blooms, it makes me wonder if it is mislabeled. Mine, right now, has good sized blooms that are mostly white with a pink wash.

From your list above, I can't be that much help for size because most are still young. That said: AHG is a stupendously beautiful rose. Very pale yellow right now and packed with petals. He seems to be a great producer. Mine came from that trip to you neighborhood last September.

I find Reubens rather blah except for the flush in the fall.

WRS has very small blooms right now and is rather leafless. He is in a large pot and was one of the first ones to come here. Probably needs repotting.

I've tried to find the other thread where you talked about how many of your bushes are disappointing and will come out. As a fellow Floridian, let me remind you that this is the time of year where EVERYTHING looks rather bad. Few leaves, smaller blooms, all various shades of pale and darn few of them. I urge you to wait until the fall flush before you make your edict.

Veronica

FWIW, Sherry, I had both Mrs. DC and MVH in my Alabama yard. And while I did not like MDC as it was a slow grower, rarely bloomed and I only liked a couple of the blooms, MVH was very healthy and was constantly in bloom, and the shrub itself was very rounded and shapely. Both were in plenty of sun.

Thought maybe it was my clone. The other thing I thought of is it was (20 feet) close to a silver maple tree - maybe she's sensitive that way. We removed the tree and another thing I'll never know is whether that helped MDC.

As I say, FWIW.

oooh, Ingrid, I'll tell DH we have lots of money. He'll be happy. :)) Here's a pic of Rosette Delizy that I just took. Diameter of flowers is about the same as length of leaves - less than 2". You might think this is a heat thing, but they were only a smidge larger in spring.
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Here's the bush. Quite wide and about 6' tall. Do yours and mine look at all like the same bush?? Location, location, location.
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Yellow teas here are quite disappointing to me except for Anna Olivier who maintains a huge petal count and diameter even now. She has the same almost white yellow color but is more pleasing to me due to size.
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Veronica, honestly, I didn't look for the pink wash since I could barely find the flowers, and they were more white than yellow, too. She's thornless and came from RPN so I'm sure she is MDC. Don't know what effect my soil may have on yellow teas. And truly, this summer my roses look pretty good, well leafed and blooming for the most part in the front anyway. Being in the ground, getting fed and watered more must be good things. :)) I'll mark you down as a vote for Alexander Hill Gray. It's good to know he's a good bet here. Too bad about Reubens. I read it's a beautiful rose. WRS's flower size now wouldn't bother me too much because of its shape if it really is like the Cochets. I'll try to be very discreet about what I dig up. It will almost kill me to dig up RD so I would rather not, but I think I would really like Carefree Beauty who really looks like he can put on a show - even though not an antique.

Sherry

Sherry, I say this with great affection, but if that were my bush of Rosette Delizy I'd have to shoot it. Maybe it will be all better in the fall. Your Anna Olivier, on the other hand, is gorgeous, just like a tea rose should look. I'm getting Carefree Beauty in the fall, by the way! I've heard so many good things about it.

Pam, I was amazed at the change in size of flowers on my Mme. Charles from spring to summer. It's a beautiful rose when it doesn't have mildew, but the mildewed, tiny flowers almost made me lose heart. It's definitely staying though until it's had a chance to get older and hopefully better.

Ingrid

That's OK, Ingrid. I'm about to place the order. I was reading the thread about Cl Pinkie vs Peggy Martin and realized every time I think of Cl Pinkie I'm thinking about the wrong rose. I thought it was Cl Pink Pet. Duh!! Cl Pinkie seems like a wonderful climber - thornless, always in bloom, looks clean. So I'm getting Cl Pinkie to replace Mme Caroline Testout. Wow, I wish I'd done this a long time ago. So..... the winners are...

Carefree Beauty
Quietness
Cl Pinkie
Honey Sweet (I think, if she's healthy here. I think Perle d'Or needs a better home. Susan in Ocklawaha, wanna Pd'O???)
Polonaisse x 2 to replace my worn out Chrysler Imperials in pots.

Whoopee!! Thanks everyone for your wonderful input.

Sherry

Sherry, I sincerely hope I didn't offend you with my thoughtless remark about your Rosette Delizy. I hope you know I would never want to offend you.

Regarding Cl. Pinkie I wanted to mention my experience with it in the hope that yours will do better. Unfortunately I can't remember where I got mine, but it does have thorns. It seems to me there was some discussion that some people had thornless ones and some were like mine. I would have loved to have the "good one". Mine is planted in morning shade and afternoon sun and probably because of that doesn't bloom that well and has a lot of mildew in the spring. I really wish I had had a better spot because this rose is so pretty. I hope you'll be able to find a primo spot for yours.

Ingrid

saw another vaguely tatty Mme Caroline Testout at Huntington yesterday and thought of you, Sherry.

Not to worry, Ingrid. Your initial kick to the gut faded quickly when I realized you were probably right. That being said that wasn't her best side. :)) It must be like hearing someone say your child is ugly. Such is life. But I will have to ease into the feeling that it's OK to dig her up. I can't help but think there will be tears. After all, we still love our ugly children...until we can't stand them anymore. Roses, I mean.

Oh, Aimee, MCT would be thrilled to hear she was only "vaguely tatty". She's heard worse!

Sherry

Sherry, (she said inquiring gently) is RD a bit naked due to BS or are great gams a feature? ;-)

I ask as I have one I need to place.

lagomorphmom, she does not have BS, but that's the north side of the bush. The south side is very leafy and full pretty far down near the ground, basically creating even more shade for her north side. The difference is quite stark. Mme Antoine Rebe is a few feet away about 6' from the north side of the house. She looks like that shot of RD on her south side because she gets no sun there. Even more interesting Mme Abel Chatenay is along my driveway with nothing shading her, but she leans to the south and has more and longer canes pointing south, just a few short canes pointing north. Don Juan is the only other one that does this in such a pronounced way.

Sherry