New to lawn care, need some advice
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Jesse
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Comments (5)Brian, you have 3...no, four things against you for attaining a good lawn and its a quetion whether you have the will and the way to correct it. First off, the trees. Trees are notoriously thirsty--they drink what moisture in the ground and leave little for grass above. Since most trees' roots are within 18" of the surface of the soil, you can see that not much moisture can escape them. So we must invent a way to help the ground retain moisture. Two, clay soil. It can grow many plants successfully---but I don't think a good lawn can be obtained unless we try to change what a clay soil does---retains too much water in the wrong places. Three, a hillside. Since water retention is going to be a problem the grass stands little chance of keeping what moisture is given by you---or by the Man Upstairs. Four, Sunlight. Some good, some bad, some very bad. One at a time: Trees, the grass below has to be one that will stand up to how the tree allows sunlight to come through. There are different grasses for sun and shade. Sometimes they are a mix....but you can buy for special places. Clay soil: To help it retain moisture, you must try to get into it some organic matter. Compost, hay, straw, newspaper, old dry grass clippings ..and many other amendments including peat moss. Compost is the one leading soil amendment which can help your grass grow. Organic material aids the soil into water retention. It will soak up water and help it retain water over the wider area. It will help break up the clay soil. Getting it into the soil might be a problem. If the ground is not thought to be any good, then rototil the organics into it. Go down at least 6 - 12 inches and incorporate the material as you turn it over. At the same time look to improving its drainage. You can read for yourself about "compost". Hillside: Unless you reduce the grade, you will always have loss of moisture through run-off unless you improve the soil ability to hold onto water. Sunlight: Might the trees be pruned in such a way to allow more sun penetration. Shade is always going to be the problem. Unless you can improve sunlight in shady areas, you will forever have a problem keeping the grass. Feeding the grass will help it grow and retain its greeness. High nitrogen lawn fertilizer, given in spring and during a schedule through the season is called for. If you can see yourself purchasing some compost, it can be given to your lawn over the surface twice a year...spring and fall. Fall is the best time to overseed--it has less competition and the cooler weather prompts the grass to grow. For any area you can figure out how much topsoil or compost you need to cover a particular area. Multipy the width of the area, times the length of the area in feet...giving you square feet. Multipy that times the depth in inches....and divide that figure by 1000 and multiply by 3. That gives you exactly the number of cubic yards needed to cover the area. For that, do not add ontop of the grass any more than 2" at any one time. More will suffocate the grass. Sod. Sod cannot be grown ontop of grass that is presently there. Now, if this is all too much to think about, then consider putting down some Dutch White Clover which will take over a lawn and needs no fertilizer--it takes the free nitrogen right out of the air. It stands up dog urine....but... wait....you have shade. Clover will not grow in shade. So that's out. I guess its grass or nothing....See MoreNew to lawn care...advice please!!!
Comments (1)Any idea what kind of grass it is like Bermuda?...See MoreIn need of some expert advice. Lawn in need!
Comments (1)You can't know how much trouble you saved yourself by writing in here before doing anything else. Your worst problem is you have dallisgrass, not crabgrass. Crabgrass would die normally at the first frost, but not dallisgrass. It is a perennial and will take over quickly if you don't stop it. Since it is a grass, anything you use to kill it will also kill your bermuda. But since you have bermuda, it will grow back without doing anything else. Your second worst problem is the St Augustine weed. It, too, will take over under certain conditions. You don't have to do those, but unless you go the extra mile, a properly cared for bermuda lawn infested with St Aug will always look weedy. Possibly the easiest way to get rid of it is to make it sick. That's easy because all you have to do is cover it with some newspaper and wet it down every night. Leave the paper on for about a week and you should start to see lesions on the grass blades that look like the spots on this grass. Once you see that you can peel the paper off and let Nature take its course. The disease will spread throughout the St Aug and wipe it out. Since it does not come back from seed, once it's gone, it's gone. Bermuda might get the disease, but St Aug gets it fast and furious. It will die out in a month or so. If you get a freeze before it all dies out this year, the disease will come back next spring to get the rest of it. The bermuda will fill in as fast as the St Augustine dies out. Now the problem you don't know you have, and the problem that could easily become your biggest problem, is seeding into your existing bermuda. DO NOT DO THAT. Bermuda needs no seed. Once you have it, you practically have it for life. The problem with seeding into it is that the seed is very nearly a different species of plant from the grass you already have. What you have is a very good hybrid called Tif 419. What you get in seed is a variety of common bermuda seeds. The two plants do not mix well together. And I happen to have a picture of that, too. The fine bladed grass is Tif 419. The coarse bladed stuff running over top of the Tif is an invasion of common bermuda. As with St Augustine, once you have a mix of Tif with common, it always looks weedy. Find the Bermuda Bible online and memorize it. There are things you should be doing all the time. I can summarize: Every month: fertilize with a high nitrogen fertilizer Every week: water deeply 2x per week: mow But get the BB, it will explain when not to do those things. For your shady area you do want St Augustine. If you get a dwarf variety you can mow at the same height as the bermuda. If you cannot get a dwarf, then it is best to mow St Aug at the mower's highest setting (4 inches). St Aug is much less intensive to care for: Memorial Day: fertilize with a regular fertilizer (not weed-n-feed) Every week after the temps get high: water once, deeply, and mulch mow high Labor Day: fertilize with a regular fertilizer Thanksgiving: fertilize with a regular fertilizer By the way, centipede grass is out of the question in Dallas' alkaline soils....See MoreNew to Organic Lawn Care. Advice Would Be Greatly Appreciated.
Comments (5)Kimmsr- Thanks for the detailed reply. The info you provided is helpful. I do have some other questions though. I live about an hour southwest of Chicago in zone 5, late last summer I did the jar test and My soil is about 85 % hard clay, which is strange because one block away the soil is about 70 % sand. Last year I did 2 applications of the shampoo and it helped out with water retention. How do I know when weed seeds will start to germinate? Also what can be done using CGM that will not give me positive results? It sounds like timing is everything with that. My issues with weeds didn't surface until July last year. But they were way outta control. I just figured there would be something I could do early in the year to prevent a lot of them. This lead me to CGM which I'm having a very difficult time finding in my area. In the past I have always mowed at the highest, or second highest height setting on my mower, cutting no more than 1/3 inch at on time. We have had a ton of precipitation this winter and the ground is very moist. I don't know how much of an impact the temps are but we haven't had consistent temps over 40 since last fall. Late March into early April looks like we will be hitting mid 50's consistently. As for watering I learned that I was doing that all wrong as well, listening to the lawn care company they tell you to water every other day, even the irrigation company suggests the same. I'm glad I found this communityð As far as the mole issue I have tried a few different things to combat them. Good to know that i may only have one to deal with. I have had success using both methods but no consistently. The first method I tried was a little metal mole trap that you press into the ground with your foot over their tunnel. After moving this around 4 or 5 times I caught one and that Tom care of my problem for the rest of that year. However I looked toward a less lethal approach. Which lead me to Dr. T's whole control. This is 100 percent castor oil and this also worked for about 5 weeks but after that they came back with a vengeance, and I couldn't repel them at all. After reading your post I learned that I need about twice as much as I used. The bottle says the pint will treat 5000 sq feet. So I guess I will continue to use the trap and the whole control. At least I had some kind of results using both methods. One last question I have is do I over seed? I have read conflicting posts about this, from "you never need to over seed KBG" to "over seeding will help build thicker KBG turf" either way I have not done this in the past 2 years. The lawn care company would over seed when they aerated the lawn....See MoreJesse
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