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A Second-Hand Xmas In Carpentras,

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I’ve previously posted about our visits to Carpentras in France. Sadly I am not there this year, but DD is so she has deigned to send me occasional photos of the food which I will post as received.
They drove from Marseille, about two hours, and sent me this photo of road food. Which I found shocking, frankly. My recollec of French road trip food is a civilized sit-down at an Auto-Grill. Oh no, is French cuisine going the way of the French government?




After they arrived in Carpentras, they had a humble light meal of cheese (of course) and


creme de champignons au poireaux et a les chataignes servi avec pain grillé et girolles- which appears to be mushrooms, pear, chestnuts in a cream sauce.
With typique French portion size - no wonder France is the only country where the obesity level has actually declined, from already-miniscule levels, in recent years.



This is DD showing off her prep/line cook skillz. That thing behind the rangetop is some sort of blitz-blender, I recall it being used all the time to produce perfect liquified whatevers, usually from pounds of truffles.


This is making me hungry so I will soon go home and stuff my face with chips and Christmas candy.

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    Hmm, if I had an Instagram search history it would be 50% cows, 25% gardening/farming, 20% percent cooking/recipes and 5% random thoughts, LOL. No, not true, about 1% would be college football, as the local college, Ferris State University, won the D2 National Football Championship for the 3rd time in 4 years. (I think).

    I really like DD's sweater, the rat is very cute. It looks like it's ready to jump in and stir with that stick! The sandwich looks far too fresh to be McD's, and it looks like it's maybe chicken, but with actual chicken and fresh lettuce. Of course, McD's in France is probably better than it is here. I refuse to eat their food, but I did stop there to get an occasional treat for the dogs, when they were still alive.

    I'm glad to see DD is still cooking and taking pictures, keeping us apprised. And, coincidentally, I made candy today with Amanda. I might have some chips here too, so I'll just join John.

    My favorite car ever was an MG Midget. It was unreliable and difficult to have repaired, but it was more fun than anything else I've ever owned except the Jeep Wrangler, which was much sturdier, LOL.

    Annie

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    Lancia made the holy trinity of Italian rally cars. Fulvia, 037, and Stratos. And the Delta, but it’s ugleeee. I don’t know why the Instagram algorithm started showing them to me, but I keep looking, so it continues.

    By the way, did you know rats can learn to drive little toy electric cars? I looked, and now I see that a lot too. But I will not be truly impressed until I see one piloting a motorcycle. Then my childhood fantasies, spurred by Beverly Clearly’s ”The Mouse And The Motorcycle”, will take full flight.

    There’s a subgenre of literature about anthromorphized mice. “Despereaux”, “Stuart Little”, “Mrs Tittlemouse”, “The Rescuers”, the Mickey Mouse dynasty, “If You Give A Mouse A Cookie”, innumerable Beatrix Potter stories . . . Rats, though, are always the slimy evil villains - well, except for the tragic Algernon - and I think that’s quite unfair.

    Back when we lived in Berkeley, we had a white rat named Squeakers, also saved from the same vivarium that Al and Simo escaped. Squeakers had free run of the house, but he most liked riding on shoulders. He died on the journey to Portland, and is buried in the same area of the garden as Al.

    Around the time we had Squeakers, we experimented with hamsters, mice, borrowed a guinea pig for a sleepover, and checked out our friends’ rabbits. All of those rodents were found lacking. They were fine, but none have the curiosity and inventiveness of rats. But they have so much better PR. I mean, how can you compete with “Watership Down”?

    Well, now we have the Instagram algo promoting rats like crazy, with all these rat-girls on Youtube, and I like to think that rats are having their moment. If they could co-exist with cats, that would be perfect - but it’s not the rats putting the kibosh on that.

    Granted, our cat hasn’t tried too hard to consume the ratties, but she’s also 20 years old with plenty of wild rats to her credit, and now prefers laying on people to vigorous exercise.

    P.S. I forgot, there *is* one story centered on rat-as-cute-relatable-hero: the Pixar movie ”Ratatouille”. It was directed by a friend who then moved from Berkeley to Portland about when we did, and now lives in Germany where he heads an animation school. I wonder whither that profession, in the AI age.

    That forgetion caused me to search harder for similar rat-hero stories, but this wiki page reveals few. Almost all of the rat characters are evil, secondary, or forbidding, mystic, or strange. Similarly for movies. Although I vaguely recall “The Rats of NIMH“ being a positive portrayal but the central character was a - you guessed it, a mouse.

    Compare to the mouse-lauding stories and the unfairness is just glaring.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_rodents_in_literature

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    She was a 16 (?) y/o student from Marseille on a school trip to Berkeley, who stayed with us for two weeks, then returned the next summer for two months, and again for many successive summers, in Berkeley and in Portland. Later I helped her write a CV to get a job in New York, where she ended up living for several years. Now in Brussels in her mid 30s, she is remodeling her apartment kitchen and is intrigued by combi (steam ovens) such as Giselle. She will have a small galley kitchen with a wall oven and a cool round wall opening to the living/dining space.


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    plllog, for you



    I have more pictures from Carpentras, but no explanations, so I will simply post them with my random guesses and come back later to add whatever I am told it actually is.

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    “foie gras poellé sur risotto de celerirave avec sauce aigre doux au porto et creme citronné“ which is foie gras, celeriac risotto, and a port reduction and a lemon cream sauce





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    The pairing tonight. Reportedly to be the best champagne of the week. My word, there’s more champagne in coming days? You see, Christmas is Carpentras is not for sissies, you have to work to keep up. Last time I had chapon there, it was with a truly awesome wine.



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    Thank-you! My darling was a bit different, but that is definitely a cool car. Too bad those things left trails of failed parts all along the roads. ;) My darling was a hard top with that bubble shape, dark bronze with an ivory interior. It lived in Beverly Hills (where else?) but I don't know with whom. I always saw it parked. :)

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    Brik is a Tunisian pastry similar to, but slightly different from, Phyllo. Here’s an article about it:

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    And I’d add to the translation of the sauce on the foie gras that it’s sweet and sour (aigre et douce) :-)

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    Thanks colleen!


    I wonder if brik pastry is commonly used in France, or if we are seeing the culinary results of Marseille’s proximity to North Africa?



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    John ~ capon is a rare find here in the US, sadly. Very expensive when it is available. Was a custom order for me at the city's meat market in past years, no luck at all this year. It is a superior bit of fowl, as you know! Wish I had a source still...

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    Sad report from Carpentras. An illness - seems like a cold/flu - is sweeping the group. Presents and the Buche Noel were postponed from the customary Xmas eve to today, and now are being postponed again. People are taking turns going to the doctor and today the vibe is more sanitarium than gastroville. DD and French daughter remain intact, but for how long.

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    Oh dear, hope it’s just a cold or flu 😕🤞

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    Sounds like it, with a little G.I. thrown in. I’m sure the doctor is Covid-testing.

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    Oh, man, it's terrible to be sick on Christmas, in spite of my long held belief that it is simply an arbitrary date on the calendar and can actually be well celebrated at my whim.


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    I'm so sorry Christmas was a bust in Carpentras. I've seen the feuille de brique used in many things, just as you would see fillo --- lots of finger foods and appetizers, and I've seen prawns wrapped in a similar fashion.


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    The hostess has a new dog, who was a Very Good Dog.


    When DD got back to Marseille, she adapted the capon recipe to her humbler means and cooking facilities. Chicken thighs, veg, butter, cheap champagne, and her trusty found-on-a-Paris-street pot. She said it was just as good!



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    Brick sheets are great. It's not to do with the proximity of Marseilles to North Africa, but a legacy of old colonies. Its why the French love couscous and brick and us brits love Indian and Chinese. A typical quick meal is to break an egg onto a sheet of brick, fold it up and fry it in a pan.

    Gooster, you only have to slip off the motorways to find lovely restaurants. To he honest, we always eat our own food when travelling but then it's easy as we have the caravan on the back of the car. There are some amazing places to eat. Between us and Le Mont Saint Michel there's an "American" diner. You spot it from a distance as there's an enormous plastic chicken on the top of a 20 foot high pole...... people say the food is great quality - burgers, fried chicken etc. Not talking Mcdo here. I'll have to see if I can find a pic for you. It makes everyone laugh.

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    I did smile at the Chicken place, including a Power Ade on one of the tables, it's everywhere! I really liked the adjacent story about the bedbug sniffing Cocker Spaniel named Rapper too. I had to click on the dog story, LOL.


    Annie

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    I forgot to mention the quenelles. Such delicious clouds of flavour! Love them.

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    Explore up our way!!!

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    Where are you, @Islay Corbel? I vaguely recall Brittany-ish?

    I want to visit Lille. We’ll have to go to Brussels to see French daughter’s apartment (condo) in which she’s putting a new kitchen. But I really want to go back to Venice too. And SWMBO is still mad about our trip to Lucca, when the rest of us liked the villa and hills outside Lucca so much that we refused to go into Lucca, so she may insist on a return trip.

    Hmm. Maybe do two trips.

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    Since it’s now 2025, I guess this is a good place to mention my travel plans. Anyway, I can’t start a new thread.

    Synchronicities abound as I am also headed for Venice in May, France and Ireland. Won’t be able to get up to the north of France which is a pity.

    The food, the food… should be good/ wonderful.

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    The chicken place was so interesting, part of the fascination with American diners. I've had similar fried chicken without a coating, in the US.... well marinated, it is pretty tasty. I had to grin in the video when the guy called it a magical place. ETA: Those burgers are massive.... and the ribeye and fries is like $17 (tax and service included).


    When I was referring to food along way, I really meant at the specific rest stops (aires) along the A numbered autoroutes. i find it has been getting grimmer and more chain-based. The choice is better along N roads (and once you exit and pay to get off the autoroute). On the other hand, I still have bad memories of restaurants at rest stops along the autobahn in Germany --- some of the most revolting I've ever had.

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    @Gooster, worse than a truckstop along AnyFreeway USA?


    @neely, sounds great! Where are you staying in Venice? Where are you going in France?

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    We haven’t booked accaccommodation in Venice yet because my son’s partner is an architect and is being sent by his company for the Architectural Biennale to help with the set up of their exhibition ( this is originally why we all decided to go) the company may provide an apartment. We would like to stay on Lido for a couple of days and stay on the main island near the exhibition if possible for the remaining days. It is in the Castello district which is to the East of the more touristy San Marco district… not that there’s anything wrong with that as I can’t wait to have a coffee in St Marks square even if there is water lapping at my feet.

    Any advice is most welcome. I remember you wrote a thread about your Italy travels … was that last year or the year before… anyway I’ll do a little search.

    After a week there we are headed for a leisurely train and car exploration through the northish part of Italy and along the south of France coast ending up with a week in a AirBnB in a little town Cassis from which more exploring and eating is to be expected.

    Then on to Ireland where we will stay with relatives in Tipperary. I’m looking forward to ordering a Guinness in an Irish pub in my best Aussie accent, should get a laugh and a stare from the locals. I’ve not been to Ireland before but have been to Italy and France many times but not for a few years.

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    here’s the thread https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/6300433/marseille-again

    Castello is the district around the Arsenal and the Biennialle site. It is nice, not terribly touristy away from those two sites. There is a main-ish street, Via Garibaldi, which has neighborhoody type places: hardware store, laundry, local cafes, food shops, and a super fun bar that used to be the headquarters of the Venice branch of the local Communist Party. Would be an easy and pleasant stroll along the docks to St Marks.

    On the trip mentioned in the thread, we stayed on Calle de Fabrii quite close to the Rialto Bridge, that area was hellaciously touristy but also convenient and central. We mostly went to places in the Dorosorduro and San Marco districts.

    But it’s all quite close, so an apartment in Castello would be great. Assuming not mobility challenged and welcoming of meandering walks.

    Are you in Australia? Where? I guess I never realized it. I liked Australia/New Zealand a lot and would like to go back someday.

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    @John Liu Yes, I think you'd find truckstops have more variety. Though there will be much overlap with places like McDo or KFC or Starbucks, at least I think you'll find independent diners and restaurants still around on the major I interstates. Only two independent restaurants remain along the A autoroutes in all of France, reportedly. Now your best choice is a chain bake shop like Paul or Brioche d'Or... For cooked meals the restaurants are usually lacking, with the least appealing chains winning the leases, like Buffalo Grill. So the choice is to exit the autoroute at a decent sized town, or just grab a sandwich.

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    That is sad. Well, I came along too late for the Golden Age of European motor-touring. No sporty driving in an Aston Martin on scenic, uncrowded roads punctuated with leisurely meals and wine in not-Buffalo Grills.

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    Yes John I live in Melbourne Australia.

    Mobility is not really an issue as long as I can take a seat now and again which is fine in a country with plenty of cafes.

    Your thread about Venice was fantastic originally and now so good from my intended travel point of view.

    What is it with Ryan Air. We had booked our flight from Venice to Nice but they have Cancelled the flight. Money given back but still. Anyway, might be better as we have decided to take the train via Verona and Milan with an overnighter there.

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    Melbourne was one of my favorite cities to visit. I haven't been in almost thirty years, but assume it is still lovely.

    Edit: Hmm, looking back at my notes it seems I only spent three days in Melbourne. But I still insist it’s one of my favorite cities, and no one will persuade me otherwise. http://web.archive.org/web/20060430042934/http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/johnliu/melbourn.htm

    (I still have the emu egg on my mantle. )

    I am going to try to take a sleeper train in Europe. Apparently they are trying to build the sleeper train network, for environmental reasons, and I just love dozing off in a cozy, swaying private cabin to the clackety-clack of the train. Emphasis on the "private" part.

    Edit: The various sleeper train services are kind of confusing!

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    I suppose that motorway restaurants have closed because of 2 reasons. One is that people want to get to their destination quickly and don't want to spend time eating. The other is that if you're going to have a good meal you want to have wine with it and the days of drinking and driving are happily over .

    I have a great memory of eating at a motorway stop when I was about 11. Mum told me to order what I wanted so I asked for a steak haché thinking it was a steak. This very rare burger arrived. I added mustard as we were in Dijon and fell in love.

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    We love Melbourne too, though we divide our time between Perth and a country town about 100km east of Perth. Our DD lives in Melbourne with her DH and our DGS, so we visit at least once and more usually twice a year. Melbourne is often on the "edgiest cities" lists and "coolest street" lists etc. It's still a nice place, John. You should revisit it :-D

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    I love Perth colleenoz. Up until a few months ago 1 of my sons lived in Fremantle and over the years since 2013 I have visted the whole area many times. The beaches and white sand are of course gorgeous. The quaint little houses of red brick and limestone plus the modern architexture, the restaurants, the plants, the birds, the boats, the river, the parks all great.

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    Freo is another one of our favourite places, @neely. Even though we have a unit in Maylands, from time to time we rent an AirBnb in Freo for a week or so and just chill :-D