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Comments (17)I am sure Talley Sue is correct about what Crane's and other authorities say. And I get the point about simplicity, hosts only listed on the invitation, and the invitation not being about credits. However, I can tell you that we get dozens of wedding invitations every year, and they all give the groom's parents' names, too. The only exceptions are the ones from much older couples who are issuing the invitations themselves, or from couples who style the invitation "Together with their parents/families, Petunia Smith and Cuthbert Jones request the pleasure of your company as they are married ...." The latter formulation seems to be when there is some sort of complicated family circumstance regarding lots of stepparents or something. Even the ones that have, in every other respect, the most formal wording, still include the grooms' parents' names: "Mr. and Mrs. Zebulon Smith request the honour of your presence at the marriage of their daughter, Petunia Ann, to Cuthbert Arthur Jones, son of Mr. and Mrs. Norbert Jones ...." I imagine that in many cases, both sets of parents are hosting, or at least contributing money. But even where (as the formal wording indicates) only the brides' parents are, they always name the groom's parents, too. My point is that even though this is not correct per the etiquette rule, it is so firmly established a convention in my community that to leave off the grooms' parents names would be considered a major insult on the part of the bride's parents and would be taken as a real humiliation by the groom's parents. I'm not arguing the etiquette rule; I'm just saying that it doesn't end the analysis....See MoreKids stoned on Halloween, Would you Tell the parents?
Comments (90)Chi, by the time your child is 15 it is too late to affect his or her decisions about drugs, alcohol, sex. I agree with that. I think kids make decisions in late middle school about what they will /won't do ... but the chance to do these things doesn't tend to come until later. That's why you have to talk to them BEFORE they make decisions ... however, that doesn't mean you should talk to them at 11 or 12 and then quit -- it has to be an ongoing series of discussions. I know that I might've rolled my eyes and complained, but I did listen to what my mom said, and I mulled it over later and took it seriously. I think my girls were the same way. You need to discuss with this hypothetical 15 year old child what the actual real life consequences of smoking pot can be (and no it is not just harmless- ask your pediatrician for the latest studies on how pot smoking affects children.) No, it's not harmless by any means. And if you aren't concerned about the health issues, consider this: In my college daughter's nursing class, several kids had "drinking tickets" from on campus police -- drinking under age -- and because of those tickets they weren't allowed to complete a portion of their nursing internships -- specifically, they weren't allowed to do their rotations with a school nurse (I think another issue as well). On the same topic, a friend of mine had a foreign exchange student stay with her family -- because her older son (who didn't even live in the house any longer) had a "drinking ticket", they almost weren't chosen as a host family. They had to file notarized documents stating that the exchange student would never be in a car where the older son was a driver. The moral: These things CAN follow young people into places they don't expect. You and your four siblings would be a first for me because I don't believe I've ever known anyone who could make the statements you say apply to all of you I don't believe my siblings were lying to me about never having used drugs or drinking alcohol underage; being two decades removed from our teen years, no one had any reason to hide anything. I think it shows that when parents talk to their kids about drugs and alcohol effectively, the lessons stick. If your child does not respect you when she is little, she will not respect you when she is big. There are plenty of people who once they are adults, look back and see the error of their ways, but it may be too late by then. I read somewhere that if you listen -- really listen -- to your kids when they're two, they'll really listen to you when they're teens. I don't know if that's a blanket statement or not, but my kids wouldn't stop talking to me when they were teens -- I knew more than I wanted to know about who was doing what. Chi, what is the difference between being intoxicated with alcohol and being intoxicated with pot? One's legal ... for people over 21. The other is illegal. That's a pretty big line to cross; it means that the items in question have been purchased illegally, furtively and perhaps in a dangerous situation, and it shows a greater disregard for the law. In Europe this is considered the way to bring up children who treat alcohol like a normal part of life and do not overindulge. My husband was raised in Europe, and as a teen he absolutely was into the overindulging culture. Regardless, most of us aren't European, so what matters is the culture in which we ourselves live. Mrs S, I'm sure you're a thinker. Wouldn't you rather consider yourself (and have others consider you) to be a thoughtful person with good common sense? Someone who can find your own way to good judgments in the world, instead of a strict rule follower who relies on someone or something else to tell them what to do. And who is lost in the absence of that to refer to? I'd think so and I think you'd want your kids to be similarly thoughtful. I happen to think the laws on drinking ARE well thought out; they're intended to protect teens and young adults from the dangers of drinking. My brother wanted to teach his kids to drink responsibly before they were 21 and not just let loose at 21 to go do what they're "not supposed to do before 21". Although I wouldn't offer my own kids to drink, I do understand his point I've heard many people espouse this "teach them to drink" philosophy; however, the reality is that you've been teaching your child to drink responsibly (or irresponsibly) ever since he or she realized that Coke and beer aren't interchangeable beverages -- maybe age 7, 8, 9? From a young age your children have seen you drink moderately (or not), have seen you hand your keys over to your spouse after a couple drinks with dinner (or not), have seen that you can have a good time without alcohol (or not). You've been teaching your kids these lessons a long time! As for allowing them to drink in a "safe environment", research shows that philosophy backfires ... I grew up with an alcoholic father, I was very concerned about a genetic link and wanted to know how best to treat the subject with my children, so I read as much as I could -- and what I read over and over was that giving alcohol to your underaged children tends to lead to them drinking more and drinking more frequently....See MoreDo you feel like your life is better than your parents?
Comments (38)In a way, yes, in other ways, about the same. Financially, about the same. I have a happy marriage with a great DH and we've had quite a few fun adventures together. My parents had a very happy marriage, albeit with less adventure, just way too short. They never had a mortgage on their home and always bough cars with cash. Dad was what I would call a "gentleman farmer" in the sense that he ran the farm and other ancillary operations from an office and Mom, with a fine college education, was a stay at home Mom until Dad died far too young, at 52, leaving Mom a widow at 44. While Mom would have preferred graduate school, instead she stepped in and ran the farm and excelled. She was the first woman on a number of agriculturally related boards and not just local small time ones either. While she enjoyed the challenge, especially in a male dominated world, and loved our small farming town, I also think she was trapped by the circumstances. Her plan was for my brother to take over the farm completely after 8-10 years at which time she planned on going back to graduate school, but my brother never got around to taking over the operations (I don't know any other way to put it, he's smart and knows the land well and will work hard on something that interests him, but he never developed the stick-to-it day to day work ethic). While this was going on, I went to law school and then got my LLM. Mom ran the farm until her seventies, but by that time we rented out all our land. Unfortunately about 8 years ago the farm started going down hill financially, most income was going to debt service, and at the same time Mom was developing AMD. Our banker and accountant realized that that something needed to be done to save the farm and came to me and suggested that we move to professional management. Mom saw that this was the right move, but my brother was resistant although eventually went along with it without a family fallout. That was a tense time, but he liked the bank management/manager and was not cut out of some control especially with marketing the crops, which is his forte,and now agrees that it was a good decision, actually I think it was a relief. We also sold off about 30% of the land, which was enough to retire all debt and pay the capital gains (basis was from the 1930s, so ridiculously low), with a bit to spare. The farm, though smaller, is doing very well, throwing off nice income to the three of us, while retaining a contingency fund, so all is well, and it's still a nice legacy even after selling a bit of the land, it is now a bit over 5000 acres total, cropland and timber. DH and I are both professionals and have had fairly successful careers. I am a lawyer, a partner in a great law firm, and DH is a dentist, who sold his practice when we recently moved. We are both scaling back. I am staying with my firm, working remotely, with regular trips back to the office for a couple of weeks every few months as the need arises. DH lucked into a two day a week job as an independent contractor with a good dental practice in our new location. We will probably continue to work along these lines for another 2-4 years. We have a wonderful, responsible daughter and son-in-law and a precious grandson. I think we will be better off than Mom in our later years, not so much financially because she is in great shape (she also had some money of her own and was a good investor), but because we planned ahead. She had planned to stay in her large house in the small town for the rest of her life. However that became impossible for her to manage. She moved to independent living in the city where I worked last year and now she moved to Colorado with us, living at a wonderful independent living center less than 5 minutes from us and I can go see her everyday. She seems content and loves having me so nearby, but it is hard to move to a new state and town at 86. We built our retirement house, actually a duplex, at 62 with (for) our DD and SIL, near all essential services and making it easy to maintain. As we age it will be easy for our DD to check on us as necessary, just pop over for five minutes and then go back to her regularly scheduled life. But, for now, DD also has a built in babysitter much of the time. If at anytime as we age we need more help than I am willing to ask from our DD, we can easily hire a caregiver for far less than Mom's place costs on a monthly basis and still stay at home (at least if our health is as good as Mom's is right now)....See Morewhat would you say to your parent?
Comments (49)Mom and I did get to talk the night before she passed. I am so glad I was there for her especially that night. She had cancer that had metastised through her upper body, and it was hard for her to talk. Cancer had gone into her rib bones. But she insisted. I don't recall actual words at this point, but it was a very loving, and a two-way giving, set of moments that I'll value forever. Yes, I remember the context and meanings, if not the words. Dad passed from dementia, and I lived halfway across the country from him. I regret that it was not possible to have the same sort of conversation with him when I could visit. I think I'd have talked about the older things, things he enjoyed doing with me when I was a child - and tell him how much I appreciated the hiking and the fishing and the other tom-boyish things he loved to do with me, his daughter. It has probably influenced my post-retirement path, after all. I would have also let him know (I didn't know it bothered him until later) that no, I didn't want to join my brother in the same business Dad had been in. I really WANTED to be a scientist, and certainly never felt left out. He apparently feared I would have wished to have been a part of what my brother ended up joining him to do (especially since it did end up paying more) - I would have wanted to assure him that I was doing fine in research, and that I enjoyed it....See More- 3 months ago
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