I have sympathy for people who get sick from meat cooked rare.......In most cases, cooking meat to "rare" is fine - particularly if it has been frozen - and the fact that it was wildlife doesn't change my opinion on that. As long as they hunted the bear legally.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7320a2.htm

It's a good lesson in using a meat thermometer, rather than just relying on the look or feel of the meat to decide the done-ness......The MMWR says it was cooked "inadvertently" to rare.

Apparently bear meat is so dark that it's hard to tell by the eye if it's well done and they aimed for it to be well done. As soon as someone discovered it was underdone, they placed it all back on the grill, but it was too late. It had been frozen for some weeks (months?) but that didn't kill the larvae.

Obviously the initial warnings didn't have the impact they needed. The purpose of this stroy is to accentuate the it. But like when there's a blizzard/tornado/tropical storm warning out many feel they are immune from consequences.

I've seen video's of people standing on the beach watching the tsunami come towards them. They just stood there filming it instead of running to safety.

Here’s the link.

I’m not opposed to handing out Darwin awards when warranted, but by all indication they were attempting to follow safety protocol. In comparison, I suppose we could have less sympathy for the millions upon millions who eat what the CDC would consider undercooked meat potentially harboring any of a number of harmful bacteria and getting sick, despite warnings on food labels and restaurant menus. Those people would include me, as it seems almost disrespectful to cook a steak to well done. Killing the poor animal twice.

My thoughts on hunting depend on the animal, legality, and purpose. Black bears are not particularly endangered and I appreciste that they made more than a rug out of it, so I’d probably be ok with this case.

So nope, no Schadenfreude from me on this one unless someone convinces me otherwise.

maybe don't eat bear???

I'm kinda wondering what your issue is with this one elmer. Are you against hunting at all? Or is there another issue? I'm only curious.

I have fired a gun once. And that was enough to let me know, no thank you. Fire came out of the end. Felt dangerous. and I was at a firing range. My brother is a military marksman and educates on the proper, meticulous handling of firearms. I still will never fire a gun again. Don't even have one for protection. I couldn't shoot someone to kill.

Dunno if I'd want to try bear. I've had squirrels and rabbits. Ducks, geese, and deer. But I don't care for lamb, too gamey. Can't imagine I'd prefer the flavor of bear.

maybe don't eat bear???

If you have to choose man or bear, which would you choose? I choose bear!!!

Seriously though, in the US over a million cases of salmonella a year, tens of thousands of hospitalizations, hundreds of deaths. With something like one in three packages of chicken having salmonella, maybe don’t eat chicken?

Much of our food is subject to safe handling, recommendations, to be safe to eat.

I agree Elmer...I hate the hunting and/or killing of wild animals, unless they are a great

danger to someone and attacking, or you are starving to death. Otherwise, eating it shouldn't even be considered in the

first place. But, evidently...lots of "big, big men and/or women" here...who love

their abilities to carry their big guns and kill (something that can't shoot back, of

course) for the fun of it all. No sympathy from me either.

I've eaten bear. Less gamey than deer. I also remember my mom cooked it as a roast. It was lean and tough. Maybe she "over" cooked it? Good thing she did....

If someone is hunting in order to avoid starvation, I understand. But it doesn't seem to be that way in most cases. If it's done for sport, I simply don't understand the thrill of killing a live being. Something seriously wrong with the minds of people that find joy in killing.

I am less certain than others on this killing issue. If someone kills something, but uses that animal to the fullest extent possible, how is that better/worse than killing a chicken or a cow or a... Or we could all become vegans. You'd still be killing plants. Killing is killing is killing. I'm not all that happy with any of it, but it is necessary.

Humans eat animals. If I were an animal given a choice of living out in my natural habitat and then one day taking a bullet to the head, or living my entire existence in one of the factory farms most of our animal food comes from, I know which I’d choose.

The idea of hunting doesn’t appeal to me. I do enjoy fishing, but even there I don’t like the part when the fish comes aboard to die. Most of us insulate ourselves from the realities of our food sources pretty well. I won't criticize those who go out and find their food. Like I said, I'm just glad they're eating it. Trophy hunting disgusts me.

Gee, I just took the heading and post to mean, cook game meat well because they are known to harbor things that make you sick. ”Nah, I’ll cook it however I want.” People got sick. I took it as a moral: use your noodle, if only to protect other people.

I have no sympathy for them since slaughtering a bear who was just living his life is just karma for me. Bears revenge. Animals matter and man is the cruelest animal on the planet.

^^^Maybe ou haven’t watched enough NatGeo. Animals aren’t the most humane predators either. Again, I’d choose an unexpexted bullet over being torn limb from limb and watching myself be eaten.

Maybe those people were trying to justify the kill by eating the bear killed by a family member? Meh. Nice try. I'll ignore it, just as I do my knowledge that pigs are more intelligent than dogs. More applesauce, anyone?

The gun 'issue' is so ridiculous. There's no issue, no justification for guns in the hands of citizens -- especially for *weapons* which we know are intended for use in war. But that doesn't matter. Profit matters, and guns aren't the first dumb thing people have been convinced to buy through faulty reasoning.

" I have no sympathy for them since slaughtering a bear who was just living his life is just karma for me. "

Why do you think slaughtering plants who are just living their lives is any better?

I'd hardly equate a carrot with a large bear. Pigs are smarter than dogs. Who besides the Chinese would eat their family dog/cat? Many animals have more intelligence than some humans.

" I'd hardly equate a carrot with a large bear. "

Neither would I, but I also won't deny that plants can communicate, and respond to noxious stimuli and injury.

" Who besides the Chinese would eat their family dog/cat? "

The Chinese eat their pet dogs and cats? I don't think so........Well, I guess anyone who's starving will eat the family pet(s), but the country they come from or their cultural heritage has little to do with it.

" Many animals have more intelligence than some humans. "

Many? I don't think so. Some? Sure, there are some humans who, because of a congenital problem or as a result of an injury, have limited intellectual ability, and there are some animals with the intelligence of a toddler.

With regard to the market for guns in Mexico (and parts of S. America), sourced mainly from the proliferation of them in the U. S., it's mostly to arm the cartels, one of whose main interests is running illicit drugs to a lucrative market in the U. S. (also Canada), where it causes great harm, isn't it?

ole joyful

In the US hunting is used for population control. The state makes money off of fees instead of spending money to cull animals. Seems to be a win win to me.

The strangest thing I have ever seen, was a snake eating another snake. I know they do...just never thought I would see it.

When I rehabbed wildlife, the worst thing I ever had to do was remove maggots from a wound. The smell is horrendous. Fortunately, often we could use some things, depending on the location of the wound, that made the maggots go crazy, and come out on their own. Adams flea spray is one of the things we used.

Poor raccoon.

Bear? I'll pass.

Bear

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Well, damn. I got posts mixed up. Also can't remember how to edit or delete. Sorry. I hate typing on a phone. Usually I check for mistakes before I post. Life has been very stressful for me lately. Sorry.

I was referring to the merits of hunting. But if you want to hijack your own thread and change it to one about gun control/banning, I guess that's your prerogative.

" if you want to hijack your own thread "

Huh?

I don't believe a conversation can be "hijacked" - I was responding to your comment, so I didn't originate the turn out of narrow lines, if you think such exist. I don't. Conversations don't need managers or chaperones.