Jeri, Please don’t consider your input nit picking I welcome it. Only by pointing out corrections to these rose lists will it better serve there primary purpose. While I encourage corrections, e-mail is preferred as listed in header. Will do my best to answer some of your questions. “Irene Watts” is a Hybrid China 1896; it was changed and has to be exhibited as “Pink Gruss an Aachen” a Floribunda as the >>>>> indicates, similar to many other rose changes on the list. It’s also shown in the Floribunda class, as “Pink Gruss an Aachen” helping avoid any confusion. “Glendora” in the Hybrid Perpetual class should have had >>>>> indicating to See: “Joasine Hanet”. “Joasine Hanet” a Portland without the date 1882 but >>>>> indicated an addition to the name was missing. On subject of “Joasine Hanet”, In today’s May 2005 list of supplements to the 2005 “AEN”, I have “Joasine Hanet” listed as missing a DQ rose indication in the latest AEN, the entry should be DELETED. Working off two lists, ended up with “Joasine Hanet” and “Johasine Hanet” data, the latter of which is listed as a DQ in the 2005 an AEN. Another rose to DELETE is Pam’s Pink a “Found” rose that was to be removed from the 2004 list. I could not find “The Portland from Glendora” in the 2005 AEN, but there was a “Portland from Glendora” See; “Joasine Hanet”. Without knowing your involvement in roses, if you just like to grow roses or are also involved in exhibiting them. If you just grow roses, the information on the garden web forum will keep you posted on corrections and some of the new roses introduced. If you exhibit roses, there are rules and regulations everyone must follow. One rule has to do with the using the correct names of a rose. This is where the 2005 Official List of Approved Exhibition Names “AEN’s” comes in. It is one of the official ARS publications, which judges and exhibitors use to verify a roses name. Released in March, is supplemented each month with information from ARS publications until the next years AEN is published. Not every one that exhibits roses belongs to “ARS” and receives ARS latest publications. This is one reason for listing the new names of roses on the GW Forum and keeping these posts up front where others can benefit from them. Once posted to, moves the post down the line. Ron Schwerdt 5-31-05

I don't think someone has metioned this, but sound out the first name with your last name. If you have a tongue twisting last name (like mine with two "Z"s) you want to go with simple classic names or the whole name will be too much. I always loved the name Zackary, but with a Z last name that was out. I choose Thomas for my son because of that reason and he could be either Tommy, Tom or Thomas when he grew up. I use to call him Thomas up to grade school. Then he came home one day and told me his name now was Tommy. Today at 25 he goes by Tom. So he has been all three. My preference is for classic names that have stood the test of time and are not trendy. Maybe because I have such a classic name myself. Clare

Okay, so I showed this thread to my husband and said, "SEE! I AM normal!" My bedside table holds the following: chapstick lamp with bright flourescent bulb for reading eye drops a box of tissues (since I am STILL getting over the flu) cough drops (ditto) some dust dinosaurs (they are really big and have been around forever) and a few books: The Return - Hakan Nesser Life Class - Pat Barker Coming up for Air - George Orwell - gotta read this so I can discuss it with Martin The Book of Air and Shadows - Michael Gruber Empire Falls - Richard Russo Sarah Canary - Karen Joy Fowler - gotta read this to discuss with Vicki Love in the Time of Cholera - GG Marquez The Houses of Children - Coleman Dowell The Portrait - Iain Pears Never Go Back - Robert Goddard Mademoiselle de Maupin - Theophile Gautier The Book on the Bookshelf - Henry Petrosky The Glass Bead Game - Herman Hesse The Age of American Unreason - Susan Jacoby. Yea, I know... my husband says he fears that one morning, he will wake up to find me squished under the bedside stacks. PAM

It arrived today! And I actually think it is quite pretty! I have another wedding this summer and it is an evening affair. I think I will carry this, and I may look for high waisted wide leg palazzo pants for a bit of added evening drama. I wore the pink bag and draped scarf to the wedding last weekend, which started at 2pm, so I was glad I was not too glitzy (except for my new sunglasses which I love). FWIW, here is the $24 bag... ta da