Kitchen layout advice
We are building a small cottage and I'm trying to lay out the kitchen re: sink, appliances: fridge, 2 ovens or double wall oven, cooktop (can be a slide in range), kegerator, microwave, hood over stove, sink, etc. I don't really want to put the sink or cooktop in the island but I'm wondering where else they could go. I would like to use the little alcove between the bedroom and screen porch for the kegerator and coffee machine - maybe a little bar area there...the kitchen is so hard for me to layout. Any advice would be welcome!
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7 months agoHolly,
how exciting a new cottage. So much to consider.
Could you put the sink in that section to the south of your image?
I highlighted in orange/ yellow
And maybe a tiny bar sink in the island. Or go with nothing on the island.
You mention a slide in range and double ovens. Do you mean a double ovens and cook top?Maybe you need 3 ovens. Where are you thinking to put them?
I am sure designers will chime in and help you.Holly Bond thanked BoxerpalRelated Discussions
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Comments (4)A few questions about architect's drawing, your planned use of the area, and your use of the kitchen. 1. What are the shapes numbered 13? My best guess was skylights. 2. What do the areas bordered with scalloped lines indicate? No guess here. 3. I assume the squares in the breakfast room area indicate a coffered ceiling. Is that correct? 4. In your plan, does the ''desk'' match the kitchen cabinets? 5. Do you cook a lot? Do you prepare large meals? Do you want to? The usable kitchen area if you do not use the bottom wall is only about 12 x 15. That isn't tiny, of course, but neither is it spacious, especially when it is limited to only two usable walls. I hope someone can see a better way to make use of this expansive area. If you answer these questions and Marcolo's, it may help GW's outside-the-box thinkers come up with a great idea....See Morekitchen layout advice?
Comments (1)I would put the DW to the right of the sink, out of the prep space, and put the trash pull-out next to the range. Is the tiny sink next to the range a mistake on the plan? On the fridge wall, I'd use a side-loading pantry to the left of the fridge, to keep landing space to the right. Items on the shallower shelves will be more accessible than in the narrow pantry. Use an 18" drawer base to the right. You have 84" of cabinetry on the island, so the top will be larger by the depth of the overhangs--at least 1" on the sides without seating. Will you have seating? One side, or two? Seating overhang should be a minimum of 15" for comfort at counter height. The upper cabinet to the right of the range hood looks fine....See MoreSeeking kitchen layout advice for L-shaped kitchen
Comments (26)@Buehl, @ulisdone: thanks for the great replies. For reference, the distance from the edge of the countertop to the island in the current 1989-built kitchen is 40" by the window and 40.5" where the rangetop will go (a downdraft cooktop is angled in the corner of the L, which is a huge waste of space). The aisle measurements in the photo are a bit out-of-date -- they're from the first posting. The software I'm using really doesn't want to measure countertop-to-countertop so I figured what it does do is standard and I just mentally subtract 1" of overhang on each side, not 1.5", which seems like a lot -- is that standard for quartz countertops? The current measurement (countertop to countertop) from sink to island is 44-3/4 and rangetop wall to island is 40-1/4, about the same as we have now and 2" less than ideal. Also, the rangetop sticks out a bit further I'd love to move the island further from the rangetop (window seat to island top is about 47") and the issue is with the flooring -- Amendoim (aka Brazilian Cherry) in a size and height that's no longer available and we have exactly one 22 sq ft box left. It runs perpendicular to the rangetop, so to move the island towards the bay window, we'd have to fill in with a bunch of short pieces. Maybe our contractor has some suggestions, or maybe moving it down towards the window exactly 3.25" and filling in with a board the long way under the toe kick would be ok. We are kind of assuming they can remove the existing cabinetry without wrecking the floor, otherwise it'll be something else to deal with. And we love this floor. The seat on the window side of the island is for my wife. She would like to sit in the kitchen and be able to see the TV without straining her neck, so we asked the original designer for a solution to provide 1 or 2 seats on the window/sink side of the island. At this point, it's just the two of us (kids grown and moved out) so the design factors are both our comfort along with future-proofing or we'd only need 2 seats. We do expect to be here for at least another 10 years. We also keep going back and forth with trading the location of the refrigerator and ovens: I agree that the refrigerator is more practical on the non-window wall as far as opening and usability goes, but it makes the line of the upper cabinets look odd. This is from the original posting but I'll repeat it here: That supporting wall to the right of the fridge sticks out 2" into the room, so the refrigerator has to be moved to the left to allow for 110 degree opening. I stuck a 6" pantry pullout there but our contractor/cabinet maker will have to tell us if that's practical. or if we move the fridge to the right and leave just the 2" of clearance and expand the drawers or move the rangetop and upper cabinet down a bit. I figured considering a pullout here would be wide enough for cans and peanut butter. It's the cabinet over the fridge that just looks a bit odd. For reference, here is the other wall: This version of the island has seating for 4 which is enough,but doesn't have the big, deep 36x36 island drawers on the sink side, which are 24x34 here. Is this a better layout overall? Here is a west view. This has the island centered on the bay window, which is where the current island is as well. I moved the island to the left in this view to increase the space when the refrigerator was on the sink wall so it was no longer centered and that looked ok (the flooring strips can be inserted on that side). There will be a toe kick and paneling on this side of the island as well but I can't get the program to draw that. Regarding the appliance sizes, The difference in the appliance prices between, say a 36" and 48" rangetop or a 42" vs 48" fridge is nominal and they've been ordered (2 month lead time). I am curious about your comment about the hood -- this is what the original kitchen designer specified and we all agreed this was more elegant and spacious than the blockier commercial-looking range hood that takes up the entire space. I'm curious about what you'd recommend instead. Something with glass? Or a cabinet running across the top? We also aren't wedded to the door styles, so I'll try a rendering with slab cabinet doors. The cabinets are going to all be custom (a benefit of using a local cabinet shop), so we can do pretty much whatever works. We meet with the general contractor/cabinet maker in 10 days or so to finalize the plans and actual measurements, and I'm sure he will have some suggestions as well. Thanks for the measurements -- I've printed those and will use them to see what works....See MoreKitchen Layout Advice/Feedback Request
Comments (5)I don't mind the appearance of the windows with cabinets in front--as long as the windows aren't on the front of the house. You'll have more storage space with the cabinets under the windows, even with the corner cabinet, and you need drawers across from the DW for dish storage. Also, the base cabinets and island will align much better. It looks as if your prep space to the right of the sink is only about 24", so extra counter space beside the range will be convenient for the times when you need it. NKBA guidelines New to Kitchens? Read me first. Discussions--Extra-deep counters Discussions--all drawer bases Discussions--dishes in drawers...See MoreRelated Professionals
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7 months agoThe first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem, so I freely admit a lack of symmetry drives me bananas. I would pop the double ovens (green) at the other end of the run your fridge is now on and put a cooktop (yellow) in between them. I see no problem with a sink on the island exactly where you have it. There is so much seating there no one really has to sit behind the faucet. Next time put the word kegerator in the title. You’ll get tons of traffic 😂🍺
Holly Bond thanked eam44
7 months agolast modified: 7 months agoI can't read the dimension but it looks like your island is 10'? I have 10' on mine. I have the sink & DW in the island but they are off-centered. If you center the sink you won't have sufficient prep space adjacent. Unless you use a microwave a lot, I would put that in the pantry and use the island for prep. Here is mine (the 114" dimension is actually 120"):
That drawer stack is all prep tools. Spice drawer above the trash.I would also use a range and have a second oven, maybe in the pantry as well. Depending on how often you need 2 ovens, I suppose - for me, I use my 2nd oven maybe once a month. It's nice when I do need it, but it's not often.
ETA: make sure your DW is not in the way of prep (should be outside the prep/cooking zone). Where the fridge is now, it's in the prep/cooking zone. Considering the traffic will be to the kegerator/pantry, I might put the fridge on the other side of the range.Holly Bond thanked anj_p- 7 months ago
I am absolutely floored by the insightful and thoughtful comments. I wish I could respond separately to each person. Thank you so much. I will try to post a clearer picture, but I think this gives me lots of ideas and I can picture it more clearly now.
This will be a weekend home, we will go on Thursdays and come back to the city on Sundays. It is facing the ocean in Nova Scotia, we are directly on the beach. We can see the bridge to Prince Edward Island from our front Terrace area. We are very excited.
- 7 months ago
Here it is, the measurements are correct, I just don't know if this is where I want everything placed. The refridgerator, yes, it is good there. I don't like things in the island, but I may have to stick with a sink being there...and I don't think I need a sink in that little section at the exterior wall. I'm thinking a kegerator and small wine fridge and shelves for wine glasses and alcohol...like a little bar nook area...any and all thoughts and advice is welcome!
- 7 months ago
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