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Comments (17)Hi Everybody, First, just to be clear Saltpetre (Saltpeter in the US) is NOT Prague Powder, PP#1 is a 6.25% mixture of SODIUM NITRITE. Saltpeter is POTASSIUM NITRATE (sodium vs. potassium, nitrite vs. nitrate). Frank is correct, Potassium Nitrate is not used very much any more, that is why Prague Powder is also known as "modern cure" and "pink curing salt". So, nothing wrong with using Saltpetre. You can get it at an old style druggist. If not, you can order it overnight from most major drug stores. I ordered it from Walgreen's, they sell the Humco brand using the chemical name of Potassium Nitrate. If you ask for saltpetre, any druggist under the age of 60 will probably look at you like you are nuts. Ask them to look it up in their computer. It is NOT food grade, which means it does not get inspected by the USDA for consumption, but it is produced in a clean chemical process. Everybody uses it, though if you call Humco, they will tell you that they can't endorse it for curing meat (with a wink). The chemical reaction that occurs has been known for years; the Nitrate in Potassium Nitrate breaks down into Nitrites due to enzymes and bacteria, which in turn create nitric oxide, which is what binds to the hemoglobin molecule in the blood in meat and keep it pink. This same reaction occurs naturally in the body through breathing and the cardio vascular process. If there is a problem getting nitric oxide into the blood extremities lose their pink color and turn gray. So most modern cures that require short curing times rely on a Prague Powder #1, which uses Sodium Nitrite to skip the step of going fron Nitrate to Nitrite. You also need less chemical to get the same cure, so DO NOT SUBSTITUTE IN RECIPES WITHOUT CORRECTION!. If you were curing sausages that need months to cure, you use a different formulation that has both sodium nitrite and sodium nitrate. The nitrite goes to work fast, while the nitrate does the normal breakdown over time into nitrite and then nitric oxide (this is PP#2). Keep in mind that the added function of the nitrates/nitrites is as a preservative. So the meat can be kept longer without the bad bacteria giving it their "funk". :) That's the start of the process, along with salt, good bacteria and mold, that allows raw meat to turn into dry cured sausages like salami without refrigeration. So if you want to do this in the future, just order from any spice house or sausage supply online, compare prices, and order some Praque Powder #1 or "pink salt". The remainder above the 6.25% of Sodium Nitrite is just table salt. They die it pink so that you don't mistake it for regular salt. Since you use so little, a 4oz bag goes a long way. And if you want to experiment, you can use any leftover saltpeter to make smoke bombs, flares, and gunpowder. ;) Hope this helps a little :)...See MoreCorned Beef - It's That Time
Comments (36)Yes, Steve, I have. I'm not a fan of venison roasted, so I decided to try it corned. I defy anyone to tell me it's not beef, and I didn't add any fat, it was a nice, lean roast. It did take 5 days of curing, though. I got the recipe from a book of wild game recipes called "Preparing Fish and Wild Game." Since we put bass, lake perch, catfish and bluegills in the pond, and my husband shot 3 deer last year, both with a gun and with a bow, I figured the 99 cents at Goodwill was well worth the price. It was. CORNED VENISON 2- 3 pound brisket, flank or shoulder roast, 2 quarts distilled water (I just used tap water because I'm a rebel and don't care) 1/2 cup canning and pickling salt 1/2 cup Tenderquick 3 tablespoons sugar 2 tablespoons pickling spice 2 bay leaves 8 whole peppercorns 1 or 2 cloves of garlic, minced Roll brisket or flank and tie it. (Mine came rolled and tied from the processor). Place in a large glass or pottery vessel or in a large plastic bag. (I put it in a bag and then into a bowl in case of leaks) Combine remaining ingredients in a non reactive pan and bring to a boil. Remove from heat and cool to room temperature. Pour cooled brine over meat and squeeze air from bag. Refrigerate for 4 or 5 days, turning occasionally. Drain and rinse meat with cold water. To prepare meat, place in dutch oven and cover with water. Heat to boiling, drain and add fresh water to cover. Heat to boiling, cover pan and simmer until tender, 3 1/2 to 4 hours. I did the one above in the oven at 325F for about 4 hours, and I didn't drain and add fresh water the last time but I should have. It's too salty without that boil/drain step. Good luck, this works well with venison, with beef round roast, with moose loin, even with buffalo. My favorite is the venison, though, and it's easily available for me. I do raise beef, so that works well too, and a friend gave me some moose, but I don't have them readily available. I can buy bison/buffalo locally, but I don't bother because I have venison and beef. Annie...See MoreCorned Beef and Cabbage
Comments (46)Annie1992, thanks you very much. So it is that pink salt that gives it that red color? The nitrate/ite? Your CB and hash look so delicious. It’s 4 deg F here and I would love your CB hash. Friends used to make the best bestest Wisconsin Rubin sandwiches — home made everything. And served with delicious beer. PS Thanks foryour woodchuck help months ago. Apologies for not getting back th you. I developed pesky tendonitis, then some neighbor applied for a permit to recycle parts of Chernobyl, so between tendinitis and efforts to thwart the recycling plant (my euphemism for some outrageous crazy land use), I ran out of the ability to type very much and my attention was focused elsewhere for the most part. And during that time I develop the cold from hell – the cold that wouldn’t leave it. The empty woodchuck trap is still exactly where DH left it. Now with a bit of snow on it. I‘d asked him 100 zillion times to please put it away, but he has his own ideas, apparently. Not being a gardener, he didn’t grasp that a lot of the dug up sand was over some of my bulbs and tuber plantings. Sigh....See MoreAnnual corned beef discussion!
Comments (13)Slow cooker or braising are the best methods for corned beef. Low temp and moist cooking. What you season it with is up to you. I like to a more traditional pickling spice and mire poix, and a holiday brisket which has wine and tomato with seasonings in it. And sometimes a beer burble with different seasonings, kind of sourbraten mix. If you find corned beef too salty, soak it for 30-90 minutes in cold water before starting to use it. It is a brined product, so soaking it can help remove some of the salt. If you are looking for how to brine and corn a brisket, that's a different thing. For that you need curing salt, pickling salt, and most common corning spices are pickling spice mix. Some folks like to kick in some sugar, that's up to you. Boil a batch of brine, chill it. Then you brine your brisket for 7-10 days depending on the thickness of the meat. Make sure it is fully submerged the whole time. After brining, a rinse off and off to the oven prep it can go. Edit to add: if you have a really good cut of brisket for fine slicing. After brining you can rub it with peppercorns and coriander and smoke it low, then steam finish it... that's pastrami....See More- 2 years ago
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