I've seen some alternative yogurts in the store with alternative "milks." I tried soy yogurt once, didn't like it, so haven't perused that section of the dairy case. I think I might have also tried coconut milk yogurt too . . . Hubs and I gave up on trying to use store bought yogurts for culture, we have a lot of success with some I mail ordered. We can then use our own yogurt to start the next batch. Doesn't last indefinitely but two or three times at least.

I can't have soy or dairy. For now.

I'm happy to make my own. What culture do you use? Does it have soy or dairy?

There is coconut milk yogurt, or at least there is here. I think it's vile, but ymmv.

https://cheesemaking.com/collections/starter-cultures-for-cheese-making

There are several yoghurt starter cultures on this page.

A lot of people online just empty out probiotic capsules. I don't know if the coconut milk actually ferments, or just breeds the probiotics, but if it tastes good and is something you want to ieat, it probably doesn't matter. Be aware of the nutrition difference. More fat by about a third, matched by a third less protein. Maybe stir in some protein powder?

That was my thought too. Do you have to have yoghurt? Do you normally eat a lot of it? I'd rather go without than eat an inferior substitute.

I would just buy a container of vegan coconut yogurt that has live cultures and use that to start your own. Or get vegan yogurt starter from a health food store (as she suggests). Vegan will insure there is no dairy, but not sure if they use soy?

I looked up Siggi's Vegan Coconut Yogurt and it looks like no soy. I love their dairy yogurt, so I would be hopeful the coconut would be good, too. It does have nut butter, can you have nuts?

Cultured Coconut Milk (Water, Coconut Cream), Pea Protein, Cane Sugar, Coconut Oil, Macadamia Nut Butter, Food Starch (Tapioca, Corn), Madagascar Bourbon Vanilla (Vanilla Extract, Vanilla Bean Specks), Fruit Pectin, Cinnamon, Live Active Cultures: S. Thermophilus, L. Bulgaricus, L, Plantarum, L. Acidophilus, B, Lactis.

Allergen Info
Contains Tree Nuts and Their Derivatives. Free from Cereals and Their Derivatives

I can't have wheat. I can't have soy. I can't have eggs. I can't have nuts. Something else to eat leaves????

So breakfast would consist of fruit and... ceareal everyday? Doesn't seem all that healthy. Bacon? I'm really not into large meals, and really not into savory breakfast.

I do like coconut milk. Maybe I could make it palatable. Maybe it is vile off the shelf. Maybe mine wouldn't be good either.

I gotta come up with something I can eat in a sustainable way. I gotta try!

I’m sorry that you are working through a new diet with many restrictions. Would rice pudding made with brown rice and oat milk be acceptable? you could add different fruits to give a bit of daily variety.

Would you be able to eat sunflower seeds? I know a lot of people who can't eat nuts use sunflower seed butter in place of nut butters. I am also quite fond of hemp milk. It looks a little weak but has a nice buttery mouth feel. There is one brand of hemp yogurt I found:

Living Harvest Tempt Plain Hemp Greek Style Dairy-free Yogurt

Hemp Yogurt (filtered Water, Shelled Hemp Seed, Cane Sugar, Inulin, Tapioca Starch, Vanilla Extract, Sunflower Lecithin, Natural Gum Blend, Algin, Active Cultures).

Not sure how widely available it is...or where you live; I'm in hippie land so lots of alternative stuff around here.

I have one friend who is allergic or sensitive to just about everything. I know she eats a lot of things made with buckwheat. Tho she can now eat eggs, which makes it easier for making baked goods.

Coconut milk? fruit? Sounds to me like a pina colada every morning would be the perfect breakfast! 😂

Some good suggestions!

I will keep at it. Y'all are the best. Now I'm singing "If you like Pina coladas..."

@rob333 (zone 7b) are you going to do an elimination trial to see which foods you may be able to add back into your diet? I have a good friend who had terrible gastric problems. He did a diet elimination trial. While it was a total PITA, he found it to be worth the effort.

You could make your fruit into compote. Somehow it feels more filling than just eating the fruit. Or make compote out of dried fruits. Or even fry your fruit. It doesn't need sweetening. You could have it with icecream rather than yoghurt. This recipe is for a vanilla icecream which doesn't have wheat, dairy, egg or nuts. Vegan ice cream recipe | BBC Good Food

A very quick and easy banana icecream can be made by freezing a peeled ripe banana. Once frozen blend it. (No other ingredients). Instant icecream.

Can you eat buckwheat? If so you could make pancakes using coconut milk. Or you could make gram flour pancakes which are just mixed with water.. Serve with your compote or jam. Or gram pancakes can be made savoury and sub for omelettes. Or you could make one of the various potato based dishes such as Kartoffelpuffer or simple mashed potato cakes which contain nothing but potato and are tasty served with apple sauce.

I'm also not too crazy about substitutes, since they tend to be highly processed, which has now become another health concern.

What about breakfast sausage and fresh fruit?

Instead of coconut yogurt, I would just use coconut milk. Is there a special reason that it needs to be made into yogurt? If you want to thicken it, you could add cornstarch or tapioca powder to it, but I think you would have to cook it a bit to get it to thicken, similar to making a pudding. Gelatin would thicken it without cooking.

Re the coconut yoghurt, a lot of the chatter specifically does say the commercial stuff is vile but homemade is good. I think it's worth trying. While the find new things program is likely easier overall, sometimes “eats like” (rather than tastes like) is good enough to be satisfying. Or, if you don't like the results, you might try to fill the niche with water kefir, for something truly different.

Floral's idea of frying fruits is intriguing. I can't remember if you're off nightshades, but if not, pan grilled tomatoes, especially if they're out of season and a bit iffy, are great, You could make a hash of potatoes (or cooked grain), peppers, apples, melon, etc. Like fried cereal, almost.

So, it is processed, of course, but I use Earth Balance Soy Free Spread and Sticks for when I want parve or vegan in place of butter. I didn't think of it until just now, but always have the spread in the fridge (we prefer it to butter on corn on the cob!) and sticks in the freezer for bakingl It's definitely not butter, but as margarine, it's better than most. It's also superior on the ingredients. https://www.earthbalancenatural.com/spreads/soy-free-buttery-spread

I'm not into big slabs of meat either, but without the dairy aisle you may need more of it. I'm always trying to eat more meat (animal proteins). There's only so much I can stand, so I try to add it in. Like, I had some fajita cut strips (not actual skirt) which needed cooking, so I seasoned and put in a heap in the pan with some chicken breasts, and added some to pasta, some in a sandwich, etc, But I do favor savory breakfasts. This might be where terrines come in. You could make a fruit forward terrine, maybe with a chicken pâté layer or ribbons, pears, cantaloupe, yellow squash (neutral flavor, good body) , and tarragon, Riffing off of Floral, you could make fruit compote tartlets. GF flour makes better crisp things, like tart shells, than bread, so a tartlet would sub for bread and jam. They should freeze well, too. Added bonus, less than perfect fruit makes great compote.

You can do this! It's nowhere near easy, but it can be done.

Yes, an elimination diet. I think dairy may be the offender for me. And/or eggs. I consume those daily, if not multiple times a day, in the case of dairy. They want me to eliminate dairy, wheat, eggs, soy, nuts (not seeds, beans, pulses, or grains), and fish/seafood.

I am looking for many options. I don't want to eat fruit alone. Everyday.

I mean, what I like is a cup of yogurt with sprinkle of granola (and dried fruit compote 😁 or fresh fruit). Piece of toast with strawberry cream cheese. Waffles. Eggs with leftover veggies, peppers, add cheese.

A pudding? I love that idea! Same with the tartlet.

FWIW, I try to eat a high protein breakfast, which helps me feel better and more energetic throughout the day. I'd be concerned about a low protein/high carb breakfast causing an energy crash by mid-morning.

What about a protein smoothie for breakfast? There are protein supplements made from pea protein, as well as gelatin...

Rob, no doubt that elimination diet is going to be a challenge. When you start, look on IG. There are several people posting who also have EoE. Here is the link to one who has some interesting recipes https://instagram.com/eoedigest?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

I'd bet it's possible t make a good vegan GF waffle. Should be good with vegan spread and maple or fruit syrup. There's no subbing for the cream cheese, but you can do a number of eats-likes. Toast a GF tortilla and schmear with vegan refried beans. Make your own fruit and bean spread with white beans. Make chilaquiles from leftover tortillas—traditional for breakfast. You can buy some crazy seed spreads, and you can make crazier of your own. Try black sesame techinah, hemp hearts spread, some whirred up with dried fruit... Try seed crackers (just seeds). I don't know a lot about coconut (I’m allergic and constantly annoyed by it), but can you make a cream cheese-like spread from it? Drained or pressed or dried in the oven? It certainly has plenty of fat! With a little coaxing and some freeze dried strawberries it might be good. ;)

Ah ha, I think you are a perfect convert to the many-faceted pleasures of the congee breakast!

For inspiration https://janeshealthykitchen.com/congee-the-worlds-comfort-breakfast/

Seriously, since you can have rice, congee is worth trying.

It won't lack protein. I'm more concerned about lack of calcium? I can have chicken, pork, and beef. But, I do like high protein living. I've done that plenty. It's the right kind of energy.

Thanks for the link. Like minds will probably be my best strategy since so it's not the commonest of issues.

I was going to try one of Pioneer Woman's egg subs with the coconut flour we already have. I really liked that texture. And if it didn't work, move on to rice flour. Still lots of experimenting. Speaking of which, oatflour chocolate pudding was dang close. I think a dash or two of espresso and it'd be a perfect dessert. Even for guests.

I can have rice. And half my family is Asian (Chinese and Filipino). So YES to congee.

Thank you for all the suggestions.

Apparently a lot of the milk substitutes, such as oat milk, are calcium enriched. Mayo Clinic suggests rhubarb, spinach, black-eyed peas, okra and broccoli, calcium-fortified OJ, hummus, and sunflower seeds.

DGS’s school is a nut-free zone below first grade. DGS actually prefers the SunButter brand to peanut butter. Ingredients in the Organic style are ”Organic Roasted Sun Flower Seeds” period.

And then there is always taking calcium supplements.

"Try seed crackers (just seeds)"

I'm on board. Ain't happening. I tried a couple different ways, but show me what you think I should look at?

I haven't tried Top Seedz, which do have a bit of starch (corn or arrowroot depending on flavor) and olive oil, but last on the listing with salt. Lots of seeds. Flakers makes flaxseed crackers, which I also haven't tried, with vinegar, herbs and salt. Cult Crackers have more corn or cassava flour, salt and coconut oil. I didn't like it, but that's probably my body warning me off the coconut oil. The Humble Seed uses seed flour, starch, oil, nutrritional yeast (has B12, important for vegans) and seasoning. I think I liked Mary's Gone Crackers Super Seed, which are brown rice with seeds and seasoning

Oh, here! I knew some were just seeds and seasoning. I really like the ones I've tried, but I don't know the name. One is Ella's Flats.

I had something come up and dropped the subject, but here's my thread from a couple of years ago, which has recipes and info, including Sleevendog's directions: https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/6074594/seed-snacks#n=17

Will do! I'm so on board for experimenting

There are lots of non-dairy yoghurts, and apparently some are even palatable, so claims this article.

https://www.godairyfree.org/product-reviews/best-dairy-free-yogurt-brands

I think it will be fun to explore.

FWIW, if you have any dental work, those seed crackers are pretty hard on the teeth, IMPE.

Instead of yogurt for breakfast, I'd do a smoothie with frozen fruit and coconut milk. I add flax seed and wheat germ to mine but that might not fit with your diet. It's good but not terribly filling. I take a probiotic pill, I don't trust most store bought stuff to have live cultures. Even the pills, but I have found some I trust.

Some folks use chia seeds for fiber and gelling. Hubs eat them, they aren't a favorite of mine but they are also egg substitutes. I have used ground flax as an egg sub. I'm supposed to eat flax for my IBS and cholesterol issues though.

Oh my goodness!

So many good ideas. So many experiments to be done.

I'm so headed to bone broth as much as I can... with supplementing proteins, veggies, and fruits. I think I can do it for weeks. As long as it's not forever. I'm ready. I think. 🤞🏻

For elimination. Not forever. I still haven't seen any difference. Quit fish/seafood, soy, nuts, and flour. Forever ago. Really, super cut back on dairy and eggs. No difference so far. Will push forward. I wish I would find something, but seriously have never seen a food reaction, I don't see it helping? I can but try!

Small compensation? Or possibly large. I think kiddo is realizing they have a dairy allergy. So yay! Might solve their efforts.

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You can do it! Just remember, it's not elimination until it's 100% elimination and it might take months to see a difference. You can do it, and bone broth, meat and veggies/fruit will get you there. Plan to have something that's dry and crunchy every day, as well. Extra good that the spillover on your offspring has had a good effect. :)

You're a great cheerleader!

I found an egg substitute for baking today. And seed crackers (we both liked them. So I may go to the trouble if making my own). 😊

egg substitute