Edmund's Roses has their new 2023 rose listing up

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Chantilly Cream, the Reminiscent series (coral, pink, white/cream), Pop Art (!!!), Raspberry Cupcake, Sweet Madame Blue, Top Cream, The Finest (bred by Ping Lim, won "Portland's Best Hybrid Tea" award in 2007) ... so many beauties!

Raspberry Cupcake, from Kordes, looks promising for both disease resistance and fragrance.

I have always done well with roses from Edmund's; for Michigan, the plants are shipped out in April.

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Dave5bWY

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The picture of Ball Gown on Edmunds website was unimpressive, although the description sounded nice. Today I noticed Star Roses has updated their website including new pictures of Ball Gown. I’m really glad I ordered it now.

https://www.starrosesandplants.com/plants/romantica-ball-gown/

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BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)
last year
Ball Gown looked interesting to me, I did not see this variety anywhere else and it’s a new Meilland Romantica.
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
last year
Oh good heavens I better check it out. I am doomed to never be done
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KJ (9B, San Jose CA)
last year
I saw Regan also carries those. Wonder if I should buy from Edmunds or Regan? Which one has better quality?
oursteelers 8B PNW
last year
I think Regan is a bit better than Edmunds although the past couple of years neither has super impressed me.

I won’t order from Edmunds again and will only order from Regan what I can’t find anywhere else. Hopefully that will be Chantilly Cream, Raspberry Cupcake, Heavenly Scented and Lemontini
rosesmi5a
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last year
Ben, do you know anything more about Ball Gown? Edmund's didn't list the commercial name, and I couldn't find anything about it on Meilland's site. Thank you!
KJ (9B, San Jose CA)
last year
Thank you, OurSteelers. I am finalizing my list for Regan. Will place the order first thing tomorrow morning.
Diane Brakefield
last year
All I know is Edmunds hasn't been allowed to ship plants to Idaho in years. That tells me something. I'll check now to see if the ban has been lifted. Diane
Diane Brakefield
last year
I just checked and the ban has been lifted. Roses can't be shipped to Hawaii and Alaska, which isn't surprising. I noticed that Edmunds has Twilight Zone for those interested. I bought TZ yeas ago from Edmunds, the first year TZ was sold, and it was available nowhere else. It's been an excellent rose ever since. Diane
KJ (9B, San Jose CA)
last year
Top cream and raspberry cupcake are gone on Regan. Guess I have to order from Edmunds.
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
last year
I saw a picture of raspberry cupcake on another site ( can't remember where) and it was absolutely stunning.

I may actually need that one.
KJ (9B, San Jose CA)
last year
OK. I placed my order of top cream and raspberry cupcake on Edmunds since those are out of stock on Regan. The good thing is Edmunds doesn't charge sale tax, but I have to pay for the shipping.
DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA)
last year
I highly recommend Pop Art -- bought it at my local nursery, and it's been very good. I don't have it in the ground yet, though! I'm intrigued. Thinking maybe I *shouldn't* go look at new roses...I might buy more and then what will I do???
DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA)
last year
Okay -- went to the website -- here's a funny typo for Sweet Madame Blue: "This jewel doesn't follow the rules of other roses in this color class, as the blooms don't try in the hot, summer sun." I assume they meant "fry" but "try" lends a whole new dimension to this description! Kind of like those examples of letters of recommendation for folks we don't *really* want to recommend! ;-) tee hee!
DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA)
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Also -- @KJ (9B, San Jose CA), just saw Meiroguste on Regan's website. No image there, so looked it up -- looks glorious! I think I *need* another rose... sigh... French name: Camille Claudel. American name not so great: "Top Cream."

Photo from Meilland/Richardier
KJ (9B, San Jose CA)
last year
@DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) Oh yes, Top Cream is a must have! Also don't you think I got a perfect pair: Top Cream and Raspberry Cupcake? 😉 They will be yummy together😋

According to the information I found about Top Cream, its disease resistance is very good. The bush is compact. Low thorns. Heat and rain tolerant. Sounds like a perfect rose.
DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA)
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Yes -- a very yummy pairing!!!
susan9santabarbara
last year
@DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA) Major LOL on the "damning them with faint praise" aspect of letters of recommendation!
DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA)
last year
@susan9santabarbara - right?? :-)
Dave5bWY
last year
I had initially ordered Rouge Royale and Top Cream but had to add Ball Gown to the order this week. I’ve liked all of Meilland’s Romantica’s I’ve grown in the past.

For those who ordered Raspberry Cupcake, you will love the scent - It is pure lemon and raspberry! I had ordered Top Cream this past spring but Edmunds was accidentally sent RC instead. Completely healthy.

Have any of you grown Cathedral Bells (aka Sister Emmanuelle)? Also tempted by this one and Pop Art but I have to limit the number of tender potted roses I have to overwinter.
strawchicago z5
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I grow Cathedral Bells, the scent is a bit harsh myrrh at first, but it mellowed out to more pleasant as the bloom aged. Bloom was big but I prefer Eustacia Vye for beauty and scent.

Edmunds has Julie Andrews, looks good in pic., but I was disappointed when I saw the loose blooms at Home Depot this spring (they had a bunch of Julie Andrews in pots for a good price).

Rock and Roll is worth getting for the scent alone. I walked 1 mile from my garden of many fragrant roses just to sniff someone's Rock & Roll rose in bloom. Rock & roll is a tall bush with perfect & healthy leaves. The scent is better than Neil Diamond. It's like a shiny Mercedes compared to my tiny own root Neil Diamond (scent is good on the bush, but gone fast once cut for the vase, very much like Crimson Glory).

Neil Diamond leaves are prone to blackspots, but Rock & Roll was super healthy.
oursteelers 8B PNW
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I love Souer Emmanuelle but she is looking like she is gonna be a beast in the style of Princess Charlene de Monaco. Tall with big fat canes….so just make sure you have room
Dave5bWY
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Thank you both! @strawchicago z5 -Edmunds rates CB/SE to zone 4, Heirloom to zone 5 and Regan to zone 6 and so I question whether to try it in my zone 4b garden. Do you have any concerns about its hardiness?
strawchicago z5
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Dave4bWY I grow both Cathedral Bells and Golden Zest as own-root from tiny rootings, and Cathedral Bells is twice more vigorous than Golden Zest. Heirloom Rating is the most accurate.
sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)
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Which would be better for a hot humid climate? Black spot is the main disease here.:

Top Cream or Bolero? What's the difference between these two?
sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)
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For anyone curious, this is what you typically get from Edmunds - minus the cat :p

The roses come bare root, damp, wrapped in moss. I usually have no problems getting these to grow.

Unwrapped under the watchful eye of the supervisor.

Some David Austin bare roots for comparison.
KJ (9B, San Jose CA)
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@sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish) oh does this mean I need to dig a much bigger hole?😂 Those look big!
Dave5bWY
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@sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish) - Top Cream is new this year and so time will tell how it compares to Bolero. Edmunds offered it this past spring and I had it on order but was notified after receiving my order in spring that it they had been mislabeled bt Star Roses and had been sent Raspberry Cupcake.

Bolero did get some BS later in the season in my garden in Missouri. For me it was a near perfect rose. I had 8 - more than any other rose in the garden - that lined the walk to our front door.

Bolero is a somewhat compact floribunda and Top Cream is a HT - I’m not sure if that would influence your decision based on placement.
sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)
last year
Thanks Dave, for the comparison. I have heard so many good things about Bolero. Now Top Cream sounds wonderful too! I do have several HTs and I really dont care what class a rose is, only how it performs here and if its pretty! Fragrance is always a big plus. I will probably just get both.

One of my favorite roses is Pope John

Paul II. It is a hybrid Tea and one of my best bloomers. It thrives on neglect.

KJ, Yes! Dig a big hole haha. I do usually trim the roots a little on the Edmunds roses. You dont have to though. I put some of them in pots and sometimes they wouldn't fit with long roots. I just trim them and then soak overnight.
fast2002
last year
May I please just say that your cat is so beautiful, Sultry Jasmine Nights. Just lovely!! I very rarely comment although I follow the topics closely, but just had to pipe up to acknowledge your dear kitty :)
sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)
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Fast2002, Thank you. He is a big sweetheart always trying to get into whatever I'm doing so he can get all the extra attention lol. He was a stray kitten that just showed up one day, very skinny. I think he was dumped. Our old house was in a farm area just outside of a big city and people often dumped their unwanted pets out there! Someone who raised Maine Coon cats told me that he might be part Maine Coon because he is really a massive cat!
Diane Brakefield
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This is Barley, the largest cat I've ever laid eyes on. He's doglike, interested in everything and into everything, but he's a nice guy. He likes to show off his superior tummy. Diane
fast2002
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Diane, is Barley your cat? He is very handsome also and has an extremely superior tummy, as he is no doubt aware ;* ) And Sultry, I am not sure if you are interested in cozy mystery novels, but there is a series of mystery books called "Cat In The Stacks" by Miranda James featuring a Maine Coone cat called Diesel. I think the books are delightful and would recommend them to anyone :) I am primarily a dog person but love cats also. Animals just make the world such a gentler and more welcome place for all of us, in my humble opinion (smile)
Diane Brakefield
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fast, Barley is my granddaughter Clare's cat, but I am Great Auntie, my daughter is Grammy, son in law is Gampy, and sister of Clare, Jemma is Auntie. We have three cats in this household, "the three Eunuchs", and Finn is my boy. Clancy, the ancient geezer, is everyone's, though sometimes I don't want to claim him. I agree with you wholeheartedly that animals make the world a better place (well, I guess gophers are an eckseption-- no eks key). Diane

Barley giving Finn an unwanted play tap. Finn doesn't like to play, though he is a sweet kitty. Barley is much larger than Finn, but the photo distorts this. They are both too fat.
sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)
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Barley and Finn are both cuties! Barley is a big boy!

Finn, Yes, I love mysteries and am into True Crime and really any who-dun-its. I love Noir mystery type movies too lol.

I will check out Cat In the Stacks!
Diane Brakefield
last year
Ohh, gorgeous. I hope this rose lives up to its beautiful photo, Dave, Keep us posted. Diane
rosecanadian
last year
Oh my!!! Dave...that's an impressive rose!!! Soooo beautiful!!! GASP!
sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)
last year
Edmunds is having free shipping on $100 of roses now through March 6th. They have a code on their website.
sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)
last year
I caved and bought 4 more lol.
rosecanadian
last year
Sultry - LOL Which ones did you get?
sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)
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I got some I already have:

Florentina is new- Going in the new Red & Cream garden area.

Love Song- is a replacement for one that hated me. I blame Diane for making me want another one with all her luscious lavender & purple rose photos lol.

Peach Swirl..I have several of these because I love them and so do the treefrogs! I dont know why they are so obsessed with striped roses but they are!

EarthAngel - because I used the two that I had over by the side of the barn and I need another one for the new bed, that I am just starting out front. She is one of the few globular shaped roses that I have, besides jude lol. I really need more!
KittyNYz6
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Almost time to repot roses and plants and order spring yard decorations! I need to repot my Brugmansias which are now outgrowing tgeir oits. I ordered some plastic 12 inch pots for tgem. Later they will go into large pots.

And I ordered 2 ”Mediterrean Blue Ceramic pots for the front porch flowers all from Amazon…to match my Talvera pots….

Edmund's Roses has their new 2023 rose listing up

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