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oursteelers 8B PNW

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So far only Schonste is blooming and just a couple have opened but I’m so starved for blooms I don’t care. Please share yours!

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Rose Lai (9b)

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I have both Geschwind Schonste and Erinnerrung an Brod (souvenir de Brod). Both 2nd year in my garden.

Geschwind Schonste did not bloom for me during its first year, though it grew gigantic, almost 7 feet tall by 10 feet wide by the end of last year. This year it bloomed profusely for me.

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Diane Brakefield
last year
Fabulous, oursteelers. I love Geschwind roses, and have always wanted a few, but lack space. The beauty of your blooms will make up any lack in number. I also love E an Brod and Gypsy Boy. Post away. Diane
Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
last year

The first ever bloom on EaB. I didn't get many this year, but the plant did put on a lot of growth. I'm hoping next year is full of blooms! The color was fantastic at first, now in the high 90's heat they're opening much more pink and are smaller.
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Thank you Ingrid and it is always a pleasure to have a rambler that maybe a bit iffy in my climate bloom - I chose carefully where I planted it to give it the best chance. Hello Mariannese, Thank you for the article, an interesting read. I started out with quite a few Geschwind's from the 2008 import. Winter took it's toll on many - deceased - but I still have the following that appear to be doing alright - Alpenfee, Geschwind's Nordlandrose ll (Radoslavs tag name), Wenzel Geschwind (I think), Futtaker Schlingrose, Leopold Ritter, and Annachen Von Tharau (is very vigorous). And perhaps Ernst Dorrel - name tag lost issue at the moment. Unfortunately as far as I can tell in addition to Ariana, only Geschwind's Nordlandrose ll will bloom this year. I have been waiting a long time for a Nordlandrose to bloom as my Canadian version never has. And actually this version - no protection - had nearly 3/4 of it's cane length intact and healthy to start spring. However all the others enjoy the same "characteristics of surviving" a winter unprotected where -30C occurred very early - night of December 13. Leopold usually blooms - not from Europe but Canadian vendor - but it also went right to ground last winter.Gypsy Boy will not bloom but this is the 3rd try for this rose and 3rd vendor and was in a premium spot si I give up on it.
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portlandmysteryrose
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Ooo, great thread! Your Schonste is gorgeous! The color…and the form…and the perfect raindropped photos….

I just saw that you and MetteBee were discussing Geschwinds on the Gallica thread. Thank you for beginning a Geschwind thread. I only have baby Erinnerung an Brod from Burlington to contribute, but I am SO excited to grow this gorgeous, purple Geschwind! 🎉 One of my favorite roses! Carol
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
last year
Oursteelers, that is absolutely glorious!!
murasaki_rx
last year
I have a very old rose growing in front of the house, we found it here when we moved in. Very tall shrub, stiff canes, thorny. Very strong, wafting fragrance. Once-blooming. The colour changes quickly and fades to an amazing violet hue. The only rose i could find any similarity with is Gypsy Boy. Could this be Gypsy Boy?
portlandmysteryrose
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@Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b) My baby EaB says, ”Race ya!” 😁
Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
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I'm sure yours will win lol 🤪
portlandmysteryrose
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😂

My baby EanB as he sees himself——> 🌲

My baby EanB as he is ——>🌱
Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
last year
Carol, did you report yours or put it in the ground? Mine absolutely took off since planting in-ground, though I know you're limited in space. There are other Geschwind roses I think are gorgeous but it seems HMF claims they all have little to no scent. What a shame.

Is there any scent on your Schonste, oursteelers?
portlandmysteryrose
last year
My EaB is still potted. I have to prepare his home in the garden, and the weather has set me behind. Working in my yard is like standing and digging in quicksand! I have to tiptoe across the ”lawn”. 😳
portlandmysteryrose
last year
Do Houzz photos do live action? If so, you’ll hear the rain dumping in this one. There was a river running down the street yesterday! BUT there’s sunshine coming this week!
Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
last year
Lawns are overrated. My husband disagrees but I'm fighting the good fight against him LOL. I really enjoy seeing your garden. Can I show up with baked goods and take a tour? Lol.
portlandmysteryrose
last year
Anytime! Bring an umbrella. 😁
oursteelers 8B PNW
Original Author
last year
Schonste doesn’t have smy fragrance which for me usually mean thanks but no thanks however I really wanted to grow it with Orden so I had to suck it up
portlandmysteryrose
last year
Sniff something nearby and pretend the perfume came from those magnificent blooms! 😊
portlandmysteryrose
last year
One last photo before dinner. This thread reminded me to pop out to check on my EaB bloom before sunset. The baby bloom miraculously opened during our skinny sunbreaks today! 🎉 Yes, that little raspberry-violet bit of fluff smells sweetly delicious.
Kes Z 7a E Tn
last year
I love this thread. I'm so glad someone started it. A few years ago I was looking for a rose called Elizabeth of Goshen. I found a nursery that said they carried it and it was available so I bought it. Or so I thought. The rose seemed to want to climb. It was healthy and shrugged off late freezes. It didn't bloom that year or the next. It did bloom the following year, covered with cup-shaped, deep pink/red/purple roses that bloomed in small clusters. At first I thought their fragrance was faint at best but I brought some into the house, put them in the kitchen window and the fragrance wafted throughout the (very small) kitchen. They seem to be once bloomers but bloomed for about a month here. I checked the nursery's inventory list on HMF, found several Geschwind roses and put two and two together.

I'm sorry I don't have photos. I don't know enough about Geschwind roses to know which one it likely is. Maybe this will help me figure it out. I never would have chosen this rose but I'm glad to have it.
Rose Lai (9b)
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Rose Lai (9b)
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I got Erinnerrung an Brod from Burling last year as a one gallon. This year it is a 6 x 7 feet bush. The mauve color blooms seems to be small.
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
last year
Erinnerung here.
MetteBee_Copenhagen8b
last year
@oursteelers 8B PNW thank you for starting this thread! I have only two contributions ready, but will take more photos when I get back from our family weekend away.

This is Geschwind's Schönste, second year in the ground. I expect it will grow huge!

Second one is Gypsy Boy (same as I posted yesterday)

If the rain hasn't ruined them I also have El Ariana and Erinnerung photos tomorrow :)
oursteelers 8B PNW
Original Author
last year
Oh I love all these photos! So big and luxurious-they seem so over top. If mine grow up like yours I will be very thankful.

Mine are in those tree nursery pots because the dirt over there is just crap. It will be interesting to see if they can still look as good as y’alls!
MetteBee_Copenhagen8b
last year
More Geschwind:

El Ariana, rose-gold colour that fades to white. Sets long lasting hips btw.

Excuse the messy front garden - the mown paths are not-so-mown at the moment!

Second year with Erinnerung an Brod - more flowers this year, but I'm sure this one would like a sunnier position than my east-facing wall. Lovely colour, medium-large blooms, strong perfume.
oursteelers 8B PNW
Original Author
last year
I really like that El Ariana! So pretty!
portlandmysteryrose
last year
@MetteBee_Copenhagen8b

@Rose Lai

Those are magnificents specimens of Geschwinds!

RoseLai, is your rose garden a balcony terrace garden?

MetteBee, your 4 Geshwinds are lovely!

@Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR I love that so many of us on the forum grow EaB! 🙌 How many roses do you have now?
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
last year
Carol, it may be 300.
portlandmysteryrose
last year
Wow! That’s wonderful!
Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
last year
😯🤯 300???

I know this is probably really hard but do you have a top 5? Are you just a passionate collector of any roses or do you look for certain specific qualities?

Wowza. Have you considered one day opening your garden for tours?
Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
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@portlandmysteryrose Okay if I'm ever in your area I'm going to bug you for a tour! Bearing gifts, of course lol. 😜 Also my iris patch is a little small this year because I had to build the remaining rhizomes back up after majorly thinning and old non-blooming bed of them that came with the house, but hopefully next summer I can nab some extras to send to you if you still want them at that point.
oursteelers 8B PNW
Original Author
last year
I also want to tour Sheila’s property. I may or may not move into the barn😬
portlandmysteryrose
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@Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b) The soggy welome mat is unrolled! Irises: Thank you! That’s very kind. I am still waiting for my Allegras to bloom. It rained again today. 🙄 I think they MIGHT be making a belated bud each. 🤞

@oursteelers 8B PNW Ha, ha. We’re ALL going to sneak in and homestead in Sheila’s garden someday! What a paradise!
Rose Lai (9b)
last year
@portlandmysteryrose: the part of the garden you saw in the photo is the lower level of my garden, not a lower balcony/terrace. That area is about 6 feet wide and 30 feet long in the north side of my garden. I planted that area with various old garden roses which require more space to spread out.
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
last year
I really love my 4.91 acres, but it is a work in progress. I'm pulling out excess euphorbias this morning, deadheading, and I could plant a few pots. I have a variety of classes of roses so it would be difficult to pick a favorite.
portlandmysteryrose
last year
@Rose Lai (9b)

Thank you for the info on your garden! I love seeing slices of it. Your roses are gorgeous! I am currently debating with myself about 2 spots to site my Erinnerung an Brod. As you said, some of these old roses need space to spread out! And my tiny urban garden is the living definition of ”absence of space”.
Dingo2001 - Z5 Chicagoland
last year
Here are a couple pics of Gilda
oursteelers 8B PNW
Original Author
last year
Ooh, I especially like that first picture. I’m hoping to get a bit of that look from Orden
portlandmysteryrose
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@murasaki_rx That is a gorgeous rose! I don’t grow Gypsy Boy, but your rose looks a bit different than @MetteBee_Copenhagen8b’s rose in Denmark. It could be climate effects or it could be your rose has another identitity. MetteBee, what do you think of the similarities? Murasaki, if you post an ID question on both the Roses and Antique Roses forum with photos of buds, open flowers, foliage and canes along with info like remontancy, I’ll bet someone will offer an ID. Also knowing your climate will help. I recall your mentioning that you are in the Middle East, I think? Carol
MetteBee_Copenhagen8b
last year
I don't know how I missed the photos from @murasaki_rx!

What an amazing rose. I'll have to go and check the leaves thorns etc. of Gypsy Boy to be sure. Mind you, my plant is young and the flowers are a bit smaller than I expect them to be in the future.
murasaki_rx
last year
@portlandmysteryrose

thank you, Carol, that's very kind of you, much appreciated. I am from South-Eastern Europe, zone 7b but lately 8a really. I will try to get some answers there, thanks for the suggestion. I have gone through many rose sites trying to id this rose, and the only similarity i could find was Gypsy Boy, but that too only to a certain degree...

@MetteBee_Copenhagen8b

thank you, i am grateful for any hint!
portlandmysteryrose
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@murasaki_rx Thank you for the climate info! Hopefully, someone on the Antique Roses or Roses forum can help. There’s a lot of knowledge here! With more info, I’ll try digging around in my rose books. I’m not the best at ID, but sometimes I get lucky and strike ID gold. I do see red in the foliage which hints at China rose ancestry and the foliage looks a bit glossier and more “modern” than Geshwinds I have seen. Carol
portlandmysteryrose
last year
@Dingo2001 - Z5 Chicagoland Your Gilda is a delight!
oursteelers 8B PNW
Original Author
last year
Orden
MetteBee_Copenhagen8b
last year
Oh my, Orden is pretty! So many roses, so little space...

Close-ups of Zigeunerknabe for @murasaki_rx

Foliage is matte and blackspot prone. Quite thorny. The flower is very densely packed but shows it stamens enough to form hips.

It is the shape of the flowers as they fade that makes me think that Murasaki's rose is something different... I'll keep thinking about it ;)
murasaki_rx
last year
Oh, thank you so much, @MetteBee_Copenhagen8b!

Indeed, the shape looks a bit different, and mine is not this deep wine red, a bit more pink and then quickly changes to something like ashen violet. Mine tries to set hips as well, but somehow they shrivel and get dark brown instead of becoming round and colourful.
murasaki_rx
last year
So very nice of you, Carol @portlandmysteryrose

What i can also say it's that it blooms very early, the first rose to do so, and it hasn't repeated flower at all. But it is in a place where grapevine starts to grow and make a lot of shade after the rose finished blooming, so maybe that prevents it to bloom again.

and i found pics with buds as well, you said that aspect was important too.

I will keep you informed if i get any more suggestions.
oursteelers 8B PNW thanked murasaki_rx
MetteBee_Copenhagen8b
last year
The latest pictures remind of Climbing American Beauty...

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.193.1&tab=36
portlandmysteryrose
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@MetteBee_Copenhagen8b

@murasaki_rx

MetteBee, You’re good! It DOES look like Cl. American Beauty.

Murasaki, You might post the photos on a new thread for the Roses and Antique Roses Forums and ask in the title: “Is this Cl. American Beauty?” That way, a number of people who grow Cl. AB can confirm or not. I know there are several on the forums. I don’t grow Cl. AB, so I can’t add any photos or a positive ID, but I have seen that cultivar in person and on HMF and your rose looks a lot like it from what I remember.
MetteBee_Copenhagen8b
last year
Thanks, Carol ;) I have a Swedish found rose that is suspected to be Clb. A B, that's why I know it well. It's called Wrams Gunnarstorp, very nice reblooming old rose.
murasaki_rx
last year
Thank you, @MetteBee_Copenhagen8b

@portlandmysteryrose

Wow, i can see a great similarity, yes! I don't know how available this rose might have been around here, though, in the old days, but maybe someone made a trip to America and brought back some cuttings. That would be some great story😅😍

I will start new threads, yes.

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