IMO - they are both wacky, she more then he is.

Good. I wanted them both to lose but her more than him.

She's not wacky. You would not call a man who physically abuses his partner wacky. She is a violent person.

He's quite wacky ;-)

I never did understand what this was all about. As far as I can tell, they are both nuts.

He should have stayed with his partner VAnessa Paradis and children in France! His life would have been more contented! I have been a fan of his acting since Edward Scissorhands. Wish him the best and hope to see him back in movies soon. ETA because I forgot about his first marriage

Yeah, they both have dragons running through the attic. I thought it would be a wash at the end but I didn't watch 75% of the trial, tried not to watch it at all but it was sort of like not seeing the Kardashian's as Depp and Heard were everywhere.

Didn't watch any of it, and despite the fact that I've always liked Depp, I agree with the assessment that they're both a few cards short of a full deck.

Do you think Heards career is over? I think it might be for at least ten years.

I just answered on the other thread. I really didn't know what the trial was about exactly. But yes, glad it will be out of the news. Dragons running through the attic! HAHAHA!! I've always thought he is cute, but definitely different!

The sexism here is astounding. The two are in no way equivalent. People commiting physical assaults are not just nutty. I did not follow this closely, but I am aware she is on tape admitting to hitting him in the past and threatening to hit him again. If the roles were reversed, that would be game over for the man.

Many years go, a friend of mine, a producer at 20/20 set up a piece about a man being assaulted by a woman in a public park. People cheered the woman on. This is not OK.

I thought it was 10 million that was awarded, because it was the max amount allowed by law?

And I commented on the other thread that I do not care about those 2 people sooo much - they seem to deserve each other, from the bits I've learned through unavoidable news reports.

I don’t see sexism here. You can be an abuser, male or female, and wacky too.

$10million compensatory, but punitive is capped at $350k. so $10million plus $350k.

I haven’t really followed, but the the conclusion was covered on BBC News America, and the host was visibly displeased about the verdict.

Heard had countersued and received $2million.

I don't think anyone is cheering on an abuser here. Mostly just saying that they're both weirdos, and frankly I find the whole media circus surrounding the trial to be ridiculous when there are little kids who can't even safely attend school these days.

I agree wholeheartedly that they are both wackadoodle but I’m glad she didn’t get away with trying to play a battered wife when there are real battered women out there.

I actually agreed with the uk interputation and verdict of this case. He is an addict with a temper and a large ego. I believe he is very capable of being more than just a substance abuser. Boy he has not aged well.

I have always thought Johnny Depp was gross. Except in 21 Jump Street-before I knew better. All the cigarettes and drugs and weirdness and what all else in and on his body makes him look just plain dirty to me. But, still glad he won over his even crazier wife. I think the last movie I watched with him in it, was Edward Scissorhands. Never watched any of the Pirates of the Carribean.

I can’t say I’m a big fan, but I did like Edward Scissorhands, as much for the overall look and feel of the movie as for him. I saw Pirates of the Caribbean because the boys wanted to go, and I was rather blown away by his performance. It seemed like Jack Sparrow could have been played in many different ways by different actors, and I thought his take was so original and fun.

Proud to say I know nothing at all about this.

In the past I really liked his quirky acting style but over the years he got strange, not a good kind of fun strange. My favorite actors were always of the quirky kind though. I used to love Nicholas Cage before he gave up his great talent of doing quirky so exceptionally well and tried to be an action hero.

This feels like nobody here read The Stranger by Camus.

Now I wish I knew something about the trial because we read The Stranger in my book club about 2 years ago. Some classics disappoint; it exceeded high expecations. And nice and short to boot.

Yes, she was recorded saying that she hit him. She was also recorded saying " Tell them, tell the world, tell them I Johnny Depp am an abused man, and see who believes you". She thought because she is a woman that people would automatically believe her, but they wouldn't believe a man was abused. She got away with her lies and fake bruises in England, but that was years ago and hopefully we've become more informed about abusers and their tactics since then.

As I said in the other thread, Mr. Depp went through detox and is apparently no longer on drugs and possibly alcohol. Being a drug addict doesn't make you a bad person, it makes you a person with a bad problem.

As I said in the other thread, Mr. Depp went through detox and is apparently no longer on drugs and possibly alcohol. Being a drug addict doesn't make you a bad person, it makes you a person with a bad problem.

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This. And the addiction may be lifelong, and the addict may have to fight it lifelong. Alcohol/drug addiction is an illness, not a convenient way to smear someone who is down and out as a result of it.

Rittenhouse? lol

What Maddie said. Gah. 🙄

This article is a pretty good counterpoint. All evidence past and present doesn’t really point to this guy being a nice person who fell victim to a Machiavellian 23 year old.

https://www.readthepresentage.com/p/johnny-depp-amber-heard?fbclid=IwAR0NUiVj0cqt7AwjPl6smYeNNQn3QcCLgbvpq8TP_mNRpr3J3b7NJQQ4t_E&s=r&fs=e&s=cl

Thank you for that Robo, I've followed his career and he's up strait.

Ida and maddie, I personally could care less about Rittenhouse, but certain media and media personalities, made up and out and out lied about him. I don't blame him, or anyone else for suing them. Guess you are okay with it, apparently.

robo, thank you so much for that article. I haven't watched any of the coverage, but saw all the hype about it and was really stunned by the vitriol for Heard that I saw everywhere. I worked in the domestic violence field for many years and really felt like this was typical behavior of an abuser - pull out all the stops to convince everyone that SHE is the problem and he an innocent victim. In physical altercations, even if she did lash out at him, hit back, even initiated, women are almost always at a physical disadvantage. And it's not uncommon for relationships to devolve to where the true victim is being manipulated in other ways. We saw a real uptick in arrests of women victims when the laws for mandatory arrest (in DV calls) were implemented. It didn't take long for men to figure out how to abuse women so there were no visible injuries, but she'd be arrested for scratching his face in defense.
Heard may have lots of problems, she may be a liar about some things, but he's no (and has never been) any paragon of good behavior toward women. The fact that he was able to do this to her makes me sick... And that women all over are so quick to defend him and vilify her, does speak to the misogyny that is a curse on us all.

Rittenhouse is a polarizing and controversial character, and there is certainly not a consensus as to whether he's "a good guy." I don't believe that he is by any means. I believe that his story is one of justice miscarried.

For those who think this was a just verdict can you enlighten me why. Why would Heard’s sister lie under oath. One of Depp’s witnesses, his therapist, testified they were both guilty of abusive behavior. He held far more power and influence than Heard and used it frequently and still recently against her. He accused her of cheating and had jealous rages resulting in physical damage to dwellings. By doing so he was purposely likely instilling a fear that her body might very well be the next victim of his abuse not just the cabinets. He often had black outs so might not even know what happened. He has decades of proven rage issues resulting in lots of physical damage. He has a history of assulting photographers. He has a history of blaming and suing others for his bad actions.

Would you all want your daughter treated like he treated her during and after the marriage?

Would you all want your daughter treated like he treated her before and after the marriage?

As far as ill treatment of daughters (or sons) before marriage, I would hope to have raised my children with enough awareness so that they would not choose to marry someone that has treated them badly.

I fervently hope that both parties have gained insight through their experiences.

He accused her of cheating and had jealous rages resulting in physical damage to dwellings. By doing so he was purposely likely instilling a fear that her body might very well be the next victim of his abuse not just the cabinets.

I'm interested in how you arrivedat this conclusion. Some people do in fact break things when they are extremely angry or frustrated (one would hope that instead they would go for a run or play basketball or etc. but unfortunately some don't) But at least they have enough control not to assault someone. How did you arrive at your conclusion that rather than a result of frustration, this dwelling damage was 'most likely' an intentional threat?

If someone was going around breaking things and slamming things into the walls, you bet I'd be afraid it could escalate to me, even if unintentionally.

"Johnny Depp says a 'possessed' Amber Heard flew into a rage and severed his finger with a vodka bottle"

I'd be afraid

Me too, but what I was asking is how is something most likely an intentional threat rather than anger or frstration that results in damage to things?

He has a long history( longer than amber is old) of flying into destructive rages and admits to hitting people. He has a pattern proving he strikes out in anger which is never ok and is threatening to anyone unlucky enough to be in his path. Living with the constant fear of violence and someone’s bad temper is a form of emotional abuse. “she fustrated me so I smashed a kitchen, its her fault”. Violent temper tantrums are a sign of a greater issue after the age of two.

So much victim shaming in this public circus. To me it is equivalent to gun lovers blaming the teacher for opening the door in texas :(

I haven't watched Johnny Depp since his early acting days in Gilbert Grape and Benny & Joon. What little I've read about him since isn't exactly flattering.

"And of course, both Depp and Heard are actors, so, there is naturally some built-in skepticism about the retelling of their experiences and past interactions.

Legally, we have to hope that every case is determined on its individual merits. But culturally, facts can be manipulated.

But now the shadow of Marilyn Manson looms large. The rocker, who is also a friend of Depp, has brought a defamation lawsuit against his former girlfriend, actor Evan Rachel Wood. Wood has alleged that Manson raped and abused her during the course of their contentious relationship.

Manson’s lawsuit seeks damages for alleged defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress, among other claims. He is also facing three separate lawsuits brought by other women who allege that they were sexually assaulted, battered, and exploited by Manson, who has not been criminally charged and who denies the allegations.

Legally, we have to hope that every case is determined on its individual merits. But culturally, facts can be manipulated. Witness testimony, as we’ve seen on TikTok, can be subjective. We've seen how even the attorneys in the trial, who are simply supposed to be advocates for the parties, can achieve cult-like fan status. But just as in the Depp-Heard trial, the underlying dynamics of the relationship between Manson and Wood will end up being on public display. And there are few domestic violence advocates who would argue this type of attention is good for potential victims. The spectacle of a trial will not dictate the legal outcome of a case. But the gawking and the voyeurism by the court of public opinion can have a chilling effect for vulnerable victims of domestic violence. And it may already have happened."

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/why-johnny-depp-trial-verdict-bigger-amber-heard-n1295877

It's just hard to know. One of my childhood friends has a sister who was/is emotionally very high strung and has a tendency to go into fits of rage or emotional hysteria. One time her then boyfriend now ex husband got into a horrible fight, she proceeded to slap, punch and belittle him. He kept telling her over and over to stop, she didn't, he very forcibly pushed her to the floor. Her sister was outraged that he would push her with such force. They both had problems, both at that time had substance abuse issues, both were jealous types. From what I had heard he didn't physically abuse her but did defend himself. He would slam something around in the house. He was also painted as a cheater (he was). However, I personally know of one person for sure she cheated with.

Who is the bad guy in this scenario?

In Depp and Heard's case, her friends and family will see her side as truth. Depp's friends will see his side as truth.

I thought it would come out a wash in the end.

I think my issue with Heard is that in my opinion she is not a victim and played at least an equal part in the toxicity. I think she has harmed women who are truly abused and now might be frightened to come forward.

roarah, I'm genuinely curious about where you got your information ? One thing that came out in the trial was that no one has ever accused Mr. Depp of abuse in his 50+ years of life. If he hit people wouldn't they, or someone who witnessed it say something ? If some celebrity hit me they would go to jail, at least, !

He is presently still in litigations with a film manager suing Depp for hitting him. It is public knowleged. He admitted in the trail that in an 1995 article he stated he has no issue with hitting people who anger him. He pays people off with money for them to sign do not disclose waivers very likely. As early as 1999 on late night shows he frequently joked about his many assult arrests and punching people who “asked for it”. Those are his public words on the matter. See what you want but facts point to him being a violent addict.

https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/johnny-depp-location-manager-1202868748/amp/

I agree with much you posted @jterrilynn. I didnt watch the trial, so I cant connent on that. But public knowledge (who says?), tiktok and magazine articles are not reliable sources. I am not saying he or she is right or wrong, I have no clue. i will say i dont think a public trial is a good idea.

The Actual Malice of the Johnny Depp Trial

In this post-#MeToo moment, misogyny and celebrity go hand in hand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/02/arts/depp-heard-trial-malice.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

"The Johnny Depp-Amber Heard defamation trial was, from gavel to gavel, a singularly baffling, unedifying and sad spectacle. Now that it has ended with the jury finding in favor of Depp on all questions and in favor of Heard on only one, it’s clear that the confusion was the point.

Why did Depp, who had already lost a similar case in Britain, insist on going back to court? A public trial, during which allegations of physical, sexual, emotional and substance abuse against him were sure to be repeated, couldn’t be counted on to restore his reputation. Heard, his ex-wife, was counting on the opposite: that the world would hear, in detail, about the physical torments that led her to describe herself, in the Washington Post op-ed that led to the suit, as “a public figure representing domestic abuse.”

Even before the verdict came in, Depp had already won. What had looked to many like a clear-cut case of domestic violence had devolved into a “both sides” melodrama. The fact that Heard’s partial victory, which involved not Depp’s words but those spoken in 2020 by Adam Waldman, his lawyer at the time, can be spun in that direction shows how such ambiguity served Depp all along. As one commenter on The New York Times site put it, “Every relationship has its troubles.” Life is complicated. Maybe they were both abusive. Who really knows what happened? The convention of courtroom journalism is to make a scruple of indeterminacy. And so we found ourselves in the familiar land of he said/she said."