We watched the last 15-20 minutes of it. (Ahem... whilst eating dinner, in front of the TV!!)
I have put on some weight and for the first time in my life I can't seem to easily shed it. Some of my clothing no longer fits comfortably, so action is imperative, as I refuse to buy new clothes! I was looking at that man who weighed 400 pounds and thinking "It started with 10 pounds."
I think different methods work for different folks, but his "rules" seem reasonable so far.

I have found that "skinny" is such a relative term. I need to lose about 30 pounds but someone who needs to lose 100 might want to smack me for moaning about needing to lose 30.

Gardenspice, you are so right with the "It started with 10 pounds." If we just got a handle on our weight and made changes before it got overwhelming, we'd all be better off. Plus turn off the tv and get outside. DH and I are guilty of eating in front of the tv so that's something we can change. Little changes can make a big difference. And I need to quit wearing my stretchy exercise pants and wear my jeans more. Jeans are less forgiving!

Oooh, leave for a day and see what happens? lol

I quit smoking about 25 years ago, right before I got married to Woody. I then gained about 20 pounds and HATED it. I managed to lose some of it, but have been messing around with those other 10 pounds for that whole time, approximately 10% of my body weight. So if I can find a way to lose that 10 pounds, or even to just lose my sweet tooth, then I'm all for it. So I'll keep watching this show for as long it's on in hopes that I'll pick up some tips on how to maintain my weight and maybe get to my target weight. Aging isn't helping, I suspect my hormone levels are affecting the way I burn calories and where I store fat.

Jen, where do stretchy jeans come into this picture? lol

Now, to comment on Granlan's post to me...

Personally offended? Oh, please, Granlan. If I choose to watch a show about potential weight loss and new ways to think about food in hopes of achieving and maintaining the perfect weight for me as I get older, then I will do so, whether it offends you or not. I can't believe you would say something like that to me or to any person. I'm pretty shocked, actually. And no, I don't know what it's like to be morbidly obese. I also don't know what it's like to be black, or rich, or extremely poor, or what it's like to have kids, a career, etc etc etc. Does that mean it would personally offend you if I choose to post about any of those things? I hope not, because I will continue to post about anything I choose to post about, whether it offends you or not.

Your indignation is misplaced, Granlan. Don't be mad at me because I'm not you. I have a life and I like it, so I won't be looking for a new one.

Flamingo, I cannot believe you got "flamed" for this. I, like you am happy when I am a certain weight. I always need to get rid of about 10 pounds and it is very hard to do. I will watch, read or listen to any new tips to help me with this. No, I have never been overweight and I am doing my best to make sure that does not happen, so I will continue to try and "learn".

I just saw this guy on the Ellen Degeneres show. I am a licensed psychotherapist and this guy is using a technique called Thougth Field Therapy, which is the predecesor to EFT. I have training in TFT but haven't used it in years. Just a week ago I downloaded the EFT manual to look out to include in my practice. This stuff works! We don't get cable, though, which is a drag! I did sign up on his web site, www.mckenna.com. I'm gonna try to look into this more.

Wow....as an overweight person, who is medically considered morbidly obese, I think that "to each their own" might come into play. I have friends who are "bone-thin" skinny, and those who are pleasingly plump. If the skinny friends want to lose a pound or two...I have found that is just as important to them as the 50 or 60 that I need to lose. Does that offend me? No way. Just as I hope that when I am eating a package of mcdonalds fries they dont get offended either.
Seems to me that if you like yourself....you wouldnt care what show the next lady watched. Skinny or not. So flamey.....from one BIG girl to my skinny friend, keep on watching...maybe those stubborn 10 will fall off if you tap your head long enough!! bwahahahaha.

Marla......ya know what the song says......fat bottomed girls make the rockin world go round......

Fat bottom'd girls make the world go round?

LOL

If so, I've done my part.
They also say that fat people use more soap which I suspect is true and I should buy stock in Dial. LOL

Whoever said 'it starts with ten pounds' is right.
That's where it starts.
I didn't have the will power to 'stop' at ten pounds.
Now I'm looking at twenty five to thirty pounds to shed and I sooooo wish I had heard of/watched a tv show, read a book or magazine and gotten motivated to deal with a problem which I know will only get worse/harder if I don't get a handle on it.
I'd like to target something specific that made me gain weight. I can't blame having kids. I was a size smaller than when I got married when Digger was six months old. I can't blame smoking because I quit when Digger was two and maintained a smaller size for several more years. My metabolism is shot and hormones play a big part. Then as the weight came on and stayed on I became more sedentary. Again, I wished I'd gotten a handle on my weight sooner and if I don't get a handle on it, it's just going to get worse.

Body image is a weird weird thing.
I can be what would be considered overweight by medical standards but feel terrific because I am in good physical condition.

Losing weight properly is also important. On another post someone mentioned how drained a famous person looked after having lapband surgery. If you don't lose weight in a healthy way you aren't going to look and more importantly, you aren't going to feel good.

At any rate, I'm going to find this show and set it to auto tune. From what I read here it sounds interesting and informative!

Lori

Sometimes I think we need to have some of Thumper's rule around here....
Suzan J

I need to take off about 20, and it seems overwhelming to me.

It's all about perspective...I only WISH 20 pounds was enough for me. I remember in years past thinking, "If only I could lose 10 pounds." Then it became 20, then 30. Now I'm creeping up to where it's going to be 40. *sigh*

I didn't watch the show. When was it on? What network?

...and another thing...

I don't think the amount of weight someone wants to lose can really be measured by what someone else thinks. In other words, five pounds can seem insurmountable to someone who only has that amount to lose, yet my 40 (which sounds like a lot to me) may seem like a drop in the bucket to someone else.

But I don't think it's any easier or any harder for any of us - regardless of the number.

Hope that makes sense. I'll shut up now.

:-)

Makes sense to me, Rita. Oh, tonight on TLC, the show will be on again. I think it's at 10 PM, but you need to check. Good luck, I hope it helps you and anyone else who wishes to lose some weight and learn a new way to eat.

And I greatly appreciate those of you who are supportive of friends and aquaintances who are eager to drop a few pounds, no matter how few or many pounds it appears they need to lose.

Rita: Click on the link I posted above (: Re-airing of March 16th episode) and it will tell you when this show is being aired.

TLC The Learning Channel

Shirley

I get it, I get it...I'm not an idiot for pete's sake!!!

I still have no patience for those who are a healthy weight and continue to obsess over it..like they don't already know they look great and are 'fishing' for compliments! I bet we've all met that type and have had them get on your nerves.

Guess my nerves are shot..just like my body. And no, this is not an apology.

I didn't watch but I will the next one. I think most of what he said could work successfully with whatever way of eating you choose to become healthy.
I know for myself I have to watch the carbs. In order to lose, keep the pounds off and keep my moods even.
I will support anyone with whatever WOE works for them! Having the support of your family and friends means alot.
Just because something works for me does not mean it will for you. If that were the case, we'd all end up being the same shape and size.
Love yourself first! Then work on perfection!

Granlan....you said, "I still have no patience for those who are a healthy weight and continue to obsess over it..like they don't already know they look great and are 'fishing' for compliments!"
Please tell me you are NOT referring to Flamingo with this comment, because nowhere in her note does it seem she is 'obsessing' over her weight.
Perhaps your comments were meant for people in general and not directed at Flamingo specifically as it seemed.
Just my personal opbservation....but I didn't for a second think she was 'fishing for compliments'
It's a shame when a posting about a new tv show becomes something it was not intended to be.

Jenni, you know what happens when you assume; however, I've seen Flamebutt in action, in person, and I'm entitled to my own opinion and observations. Just as Susan will continue to post on whatever, I also have the right, if you will, to be offended.

It's a shame when someone posts about a TV show or anything that another cannot express their feelings on the topic (however they feel about it), but then again, seems only certain ones can say what they feel without getting jumped on for doing so.

Oh, leave for a couple of years and see what happens!

Oh flamey, I can't believe granlan would say something like that either. You grumpy today, gran?

I'm probably fine for my height, but feel better if I could lose some, which I can't seem to do. I have to fight, fight, fight to maintain my present weight. It's HARD.

So, from the "skinny" people, it's just as offensive to us that you think we're fishing or obsessing or whatever. We are just trying to get a grip, not a life. You should be happy for us and encouraging us to maintain, just like we're happy for you that you lost 150lbs! That's amazing. I would never have the willpower to lose that much weight, and I know it, hence, my struggle is daily.

peace.

xooxox
duck

I can't believe you said that granlan either. I am one of those people who are at a healthy weight and in my opinion look good! However it wasn't always the case. I worked long and hard to get there, losing over 50 lb. And I am interested because I intend to stay this way.
Be careful! The very people you are talking about may be just like you. They've had to struggle to get where they are and have a vested interest in watching a TV show and discussing a subject that interests them.
Congratulations on your fantastic weight loss! If you'd like to share your knowledge and help others please do so. But please don't jump to conclusions and make comments about others when you have no idea where they are coming from.

Hi Duckie! You've been missed! :)

It just seems like you left for a couple of years. lol

You know, I think that's what I need to do..leave for a couple of years or so.

See ya!

Hi Duckie! Gosh, it's great to see you after all this time! I've missed you!

Granlan, I do not understand where you're coming from. You've "seen me in action." What does that mean? What action? Yes, we've met face to face. What could I have possibly done that offended you then? I thought we were friends. Please, tell me. Lay it all out on line, why stop now?

Then you said "It's a shame when someone posts about a TV show or anything that another cannot express their feelings on the topic (however they feel about it), but then again, seems only certain ones can say what they feel without getting jumped on for doing so."

You didn't post anything about the show itself, you took the opportunity to jump down my throat by saying that I offended you and you felt like slapping anyone who isn't grossly overweight. Well, that's pretty outrageous, IMO. You took my post about a TV show and made it personal, like I was trying on purpose to hurt you. That is so unfair and untrue.

Like Duckie, I know my willpower is weak, therefore the struggle to stay my normal weight is also daily. I don't obsess about it, but it's in my mind everytime my jeans feel too tight. To say I'm fishing for compliments is also very untrue and unfair. I don't get that at all.

And congratulations to you for your incredible weight loss. I'm happy for you. That's a great accomplishment.

Susan, let's just say it's possible others who have met you think you obsess over your size..tiny though it is..it really is annoying! It sure doesn't sound like you planned on taking the show seriously from day one.

Your remark in the original post.."And we were good, we made a pan of brownies to eat while we watched and only ate one small one each, instead of a slab. lolol". Oh yea, sure sounds like you're really concerned about a tight waistband.

I do appreciate a sense of humor, but that was like a slap in the face to me and a thoughtless remark to those who might find shows like this very valueable to their health and well-being.

So, in your case, why should I be concerned for your desire to lose a few lbs.? Go ahead and have another brownie!

I'm through here and with you.

So why didn't you say that 3 days ago, Lana, instead of just going off on me? I would have apologized to you for offending you with humor.

I'm through, too. There's nothing left to say to someone who takes such offense over an innocent comment like that. I never asked you to be concerned or responsible for me or my actions, that would be nuts. It sounds more like you were looking for an excuse to get upset with me and you've just come up with one. If you go around looking for a reason to get your feelings hurt, you're just sure to find one.

You said, "I never asked you to be concerned or responsible for me or my actions, that would be nuts."

Really Susan, I thought most folks who have become friends are concerned for and about each other, or am I wrong about that, too? Yet, even friends don't always understand certain actions/feelings of the other.

Off the subject here, but what about you being so possessive about things you make for others? You got your feelings hurt (or feathers ruffled), whether you'll admit it or not, when I wanted to pass on the cell phone purse I received. I knew my oldest granddaughter, who has a cell (I don't have one), would enjoy it, but I felt guilted to hang onto it..how nuts is that?

As I said before, I am one of those people who find shows like this valualbe and I did not take Flamey's post "like a slap in the face to me and a thoughtless remark to those who might find shows like this very valueable to their health and well-being." Speak for yourself, only please!
Granlan, Lighten Up. You sound very bitter and jealous. You are not the only person in the world with weight issues! Are you not happy with yourself? Deal with your problem and stop being so bitter and jealous of others.
You sound like you need a nap!
We make a choice each morning...to have a Good Day or Be Miserable. What choice did you make?

I have an idea.....Lana, go back to bed and get up on the other side. Maybe that will help your mood today.
I think your comments to Susan were uncalled for and downright rude.
You have totally turned this post into a personal attack on Susan.
If you have that many issues with her why not take it to email and let the original note stand as it was meant to be.

Mush, believe it or not, I was having a very good day and week until I came back to this.

You're right, I need a nap, but not like you're meaning..I just need to leave this place and keep my opinions to myself.

Have a good day, Mush! I will, no matter what. :)

Granlan, who will continue to deal with my problems as I've done in the past...I've bounced back more times than a rubber ball...well, maybe a big beach ball. lolol

Good grief, Lan'- this doesn't sound like you at all! Has someone else hijacked your username? Holy smokes!

Blessings,
Haley

"like a slap in the face to me and a thoughtless remark to those who might find shows like this very valueable to their health and well-being."

Obviously flamingo does find shows like this valueable or she wouldn't have watched it or posted about it.

I am one of those people like Lori who just got kinda lazy about what I put in my mouth and woke up one morning 20 lbs over my ideal weight. I decided to do something about it before it became 30, 40,150 lbs overweight. I have lost 10 in the past 3 weeks and will lose the last 10.

Those 20 lbs are just as important to me as someone else's 150 lbs.

Maybe I am obssesive over my weight or how I feel but if I wasn't then I would be very overweight and very unhappy.

Now I'm off to drink my protien shake and do my 5 miles on the trudgemill.

Wow. Guilted into keeping something I made and gave to you? Hoo-boy. By all means, Granlan, you be sure to donate that gift to the Salvation Army or something like that, I wouldn't want you to feel like you HAD to keep it. Burn it, whatever makes you feel good. As I recall, after you signed up for a shot at winning a cell phone purse, and then won it, you said you were going to give it away because you didn't have a cell phone and I pointed out that it could be used for more than just holding a cell phone and you thanked me for giving you an excuse to keep it. My, my. Forgive me for wanting to give a gift to a friend rather than a stranger. My feelings were not hurt, I just wanted you to have something nice, and yes, it was something that I made. I feel the need to apologize for that. Shame on me. And of course, if you really didn't want it, you could have given it away, how would I ever know? Again. You're looking for reasons to be upset with me, seems like.

As for friends not understanding each other- you are so right about that. More than you'll ever know, really. And that's OK. I don't understand why you've turned on me like this.

Wow, wow, wow! I just came back to this thread and am in shock. Granlan, I know Flamingo, have been around her many, many times and can honestly say, she is NOT obsessive about weight OR has never, in any way shape or form, fished for compliments. That was such a ludicrous statement that I can only surmise that YOU are the one who is obsessed with weight and in order to cope, you are transferring your anger at YOURSELF onto Flamingo. Girl, I think you need more than a nap.....you need to get some help.

As for the other comments, those were just mean. To harbor the kind of anger that you just spewed out is so unhealthy. What started out as a "Did you see a tv show" thread has sure turned into an "All about Granlan and how wronged she is" thread. I feel sorry for you.

Must be nice to be so guilt free like you, Susan.

It was Summer who let me know I messed up saying I'd give the purse away, so she and I 'played the game' to soothe you and keep the peace. Me, thanking you for an excuse to keep it, and her, posting like it was her who would be slighted by not getting it from me. Geeze, what a waste of time.

You make me tired!

Oh Jeeze.

I can't believe what I am reading.

I'm sorry you feel this way, Lana.
I truly am.
About everything.

Until yesterday, I had no idea you struggled with your weight. For years I've known you as the fun Texas lady who used to work at the AQHA, was Summer's sister and a cancer survivor. In the old KT days you were the first one to belly up to bar, crack a joke and could clown around with the best of them.

I don't know what's happened to you but I'm sorry it did. Not only do I miss the old Lana I don't think much of the new Lana.

What I do know though, is Susan isn't what's wrong with you or your life.
She's not your problem.
Even if you don't care for her, she is not to blame for whatever it is eating at you and does not deserve how you are treating her.
Susan is what you used to be Lana; funny, fun and fun loving.

I wish you well dear and I hope you can find peace in your life.

Lori

Gee, Lana, why throw Summer under the train too? Why play any game? No wonder you're tired. But it's your own doing. I still believe that you are unhappy with yourself and trying to drag everyone else down with you. I'm sure at this point Flamingo would much prefer you gave that purse away, cut it up or just buried it rather than let it eat at you every time you saw it. Is all of this REALLY just about a purse? If you'd be honest with yourself, maybe you'd figure out what's truly bothering you and quit attacking other people.....no matter what size they are.

What in the Heck does Susan have to feel guilty about? For being kind and generous to you?

This is just petty and bitter Lana. I agree that whatever it is that you are unhappy about in your own life, with your own weight, whatever, is not Flamingo's fault. If you need to be take out your unhappiness on someone else perhaps you should take up Karate or something.

I'm still the same ol' Lana, but I am tired of pretending to be fun-loving and humorous all the time. I've never been very good at it, but it's helped me get by in this life. So think of me as you will, Lori, bless your heart.

There's a lot of things y'all don't know about me (that's as it should be), and the internet is certainly not the place to reveal all...never will be, no matter how well you think you know someone.

Maybe I can smile again when this dumb war is over and my grandson returns home, safe and sound...and the injured vets are taken care of as they deserve to be.

Jen, DO NOT EVER FEEL SORRY FOR ME!

Good bye KT...there have been good times and tons of support for which I'll always be grateful.

Lana, if you're still checking back on this post, just know that I am worried about you. Sounds as though you have just bottomed out and I can certainly understand why, considering all that you've been through.

That being said, I'm another one who didn't feel that Flamey in anyway provoked the attack that she received. If I had watched my weight when it was 5,10, 15 pounds to lose I wouldn't be looking at losing 40 and getting back to what used to be my FAT WEIGHT! LOL She seems like a smart person to me to stay on top of it and keep it under control. Don't think that she's obsessed with her weight, but just conscious of it as we all should be.

Hope that things look up for you and wish you all the best.

OK, now you're blaming the fact that your grandson is fighting in Iraq for your behavior? There are many people on this forum who have loved ones in Iraq and they aren't using that as an excuse to be mean and hateful. I can't help it Lana....I do feel sorry for you. You must be very unhappy with yourself to be saying the things you're saying.

Well I really hate my very dear KT friends having such disagreements when I know that this probably all could be avoided if we were face to face with one another instead of on the internet. I hate to see anyone leave because of it. Frankly, I doubt this whole argument is even really about weight, but it became a means to let off steam, to lessen frustrations.

Many of us are going through some really tough times these days, lots of worries, and difficult situations to overcome. So I am sending everyone a cyberhug and prayers that we can support each other with a little understanding and love.

Lana, I'm really sorry that this post has driven you to try to take your sister down with you to a whole new level. I honestly don't remember Summer being involved in the purse thing, but if she was, I'm sure she was doing what she does best- peacekeeping, and I love her all the more for it. You might call it a game, maybe it was, to you. I call it being nice. It makes no difference to me where my things end up after I give them away, but why you felt the need to tell me you weren't keeping it makes sense to me now. You just wanted a free gift for your GD and you wanted me to know that you didn't want it. Fine, that's cool. Next time try being more honest about it. You should have sent it then, or maybe you did, I don't know. Whatever. The fact remains, you just tried to trash your own sister. That's really low. If you're tired, maybe it's from scrambling around looking for excuses for your own behavior.

I feel sorry for you, too. I can't help it.

I haven't read all the replies to this, but find anything about weight loss to be interesting. What pops my cork is......"when do people forget?" I'm known as, "Oh yes, she's lost all that weight." I've been at my Weight Watcher goal for over three years...when do people stop thinking of losing weight when they encounter me or refer to me...it's beginning to get irritating. I mean...after three years, they should begin forgetting I was forty pound heavier than I am now. "Oh hello, you're the one who has lost all that weight." No...I'm Deanna and I am who I am....weight shouldn't define who you are.

WOW, I just read this thread for the first time and can honestly say that I am SHOCKED at what was said by Lana. I have never known her to be this bitter and quite frankly, mean. I dont even feel like I'm reading comments written by her.

Everyone has their own issues and they are THEIR OWN issues and they're all equally important in their own mind. But this is stupid because Flamey wasnt even talking about having an issue with weight.

So I think that the Bachelor show is entertaining and would publicly say that here, does that mean that because I'm married and watching the show I'm offending someone who is also looking for a mate?

This is stupid. Flamey, I'm sorry you were flamed (no pun intented!).

I don't even post that often anymore with time restraints from work, but I read this post and had to hop on and say, I'm so sorry FlamingO, you didn't deserve this.

Granlan, You've always been a sweetheart but I think you're way off the mark here and I hope you have friends to talk to to get you through this stretch of time that's been stressful for you. I'm sorry you were offended by the fact that Flamingo made a comment about eating brownies during that show, but it really seems in reading your comments that you have an axe that you've been dying to grind with her. If that's the case, I'm disappointed. Personally, I'm offended by the anger and meanness that you've spewed on this post, but I don't suppose the fact that you've offended me will matter much to you. I hate to see you leave the KT, but maybe you're right... maybe it's best if you take some time off. You'll be in my prayers regardless.

WoW!!! This has really taken a negative direction between two of KT's finest! Well, I'm not here alot but I think I gotta chime in! What I have to say maybe nothing more than rambling..be forewarned! LOL!! The age old battle of losing weight. I'M AN EXPERT at trying!!!

I don't have a clue what it's like to have only 5-10 lbs. to lose. Nope it's a whole lot more than that. So, I can't identify with Flamey. I don't know what it's like to lose 150 lbs., so I can't identify with Granlan either(I honestly wish I could).But I can identify with Gran on this. I also know peeps that will spit and sputter about 5-10 lbs. just to fish for compliments and those peeps after about the second time, will fall off my radar screen. I don't think Flamey was doing that or rubbing this in anyone's nose. If she feels comfortable weighing 5-10 lbs. less, then that is her choice. I think her original point was just letting others know about this TV show and discussing it.

Yet on the other hand Gran, I don't think anyone here including myself know how hard you worked and the determination it took to achieve what you did. I too kind of think that the peeps that have 5-10 lbs. to lose, aren't struggling half as much as those of us who have 100 or more lbs. to lose. Heck, half of their excess could even be the dreaded 'water weight' that we all know and have heard about. But there again, I have never been in their shoes. But they also have never been in the situation of having to lose a vast amount of weight. So, I honestly think nobody knows the others personal challenges and battles they are fighting. What one sees as a mere drop in the bucket, someone else might see it as insurmountable. But my words to Flamey and others, realize that Gran and I and possibly others do think that sometimes thin people just don't seem to understand that 5-10 lbs. does sound petty to those of us who have/need to lose 10 times that. And yes, I would bet that those of us who do need to lose that amount of weight have kicked ourselves many times over for not dealing with this when it was only 5-10 lbs. We have beaten ourselves up over this time and time again and anybody who looks at us know we need to lose weight, yet looking at Flamey, we can't see that through the same eyes as you do. We can't comprehend the magnitude of their obsession with those few lbs. So, Gran, I can identify and understand what you meant in your original post to Flamey.

Wow, sorry you got chewed out Flamingo. I would never have expected that from Granlan either. I have a thin friend who gains 5 or 10 lbs and then works more or eats better for a while, doesn't bother me one bit that she talks about it to me. I think she's smart, a heck of a lot smarter than I was when I was just that much overweight. I'm sure she is sick of hearing about my latest diet or exercise plan since I've been talking about it for some 30 or so years to her. Luckily, she's never told me to shut up and just do it. I don't resent her either, she does work to get it off and I usually just sit on my butt and overeat.

How ironic, I left this forum a few years ago because of some posts like this one. I returned a few months ago under a different name and was so pleased at how friendly and fun it was again. I really enjoyed the company and even posted occasionally.......now....it has come to this again. How very sad.

Yes I agree it is very sad that things were said the way they were from two sides. I really doubt Lana meant it the way it was taken. I'm someone who has a fair bit to lose and can understand why Lana felt the way she did. Dearmn is right when she talks about seeing both sides. This conversation became uncivilized in a thread that honestly could have been used to help those of us who need to be less fluffy. Both Lana and Flamey are wonderful KTers who I have been cyber friends of mine for years now. I asked if we could just love and support each other with understanding but alas it has carried on. This sort of behaviour really bothers me. I've very sad and feel that it is time for me to leave the KT at least for a while. My heart is too heavy right now to stay.

I can certainly see where Granlan is coming from on her first post. Of course, things deteriorated from thereon.
I figure so what? Let 'em go at it. I'm certainly not losing any sleep over their brouhaha. There's obviously more here than meets the eye. None of my business, so I'll not berate or trash anyone. A bunch of you did a fine job of that.
As far as the sad posters, well, just cuz this one got dicey, there are probably 500 other threads to read, which should be enough to keep you interested.
Nothing like a public catfight.

OMG, I just came back to read this. It has really gotten out of hand. What ever Granlan's issue is, it is not your fault FLamingo. There is more going on with her and I have a feeling it has nothing to do with this forum or weight loss. It's a shame when things get this escalated and nice people get caught in the cross fire. Life is too short for this.

Full moon.

I second dibby on this one.
I would rather snicker at vacuous posts about which scrapbooking glue is best than read some blathering, nonsensical verbal brawl over who has the right to be thin and victimized.
It's the same KT crap over & over again:
Seventh grade girl's locker-room bickering.

Some peeps here float in and out every once in a while, only to be underwhelmed or scared away by the explosive pettiness and mean spiritedness.
Others stay, hoping to bring a sense of fun and an intellectual acumen to discussions.
And then there are the others who stay, to stir the pot/post or play their games and nonsense.

Why waste even one upgrade in a blood pressure point on this?

AArrgghhhhh....you gals.
All of you: where is the wisdom that comes with age? And how gauche to even hint that a hand made gift is un-needed and would be re-gifted!
Flamey- pick your battles. This isn't it.
Let's all take a Midol, and a Benecar and go to bed.

hh