Fisher Paykel scratch & dent or new Café induction range--same price
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Comments (19)Trailrunner has it right about cleaning right away. In fact I may have just "Saved" our Elux oven, after the Thanksgiving Turkey "leaked" a bit onto the bottom of the oven. Wife saw it, & said "I gonna run the Self-clean". There was only one lil spot on the bottom of the oven, but if you read Wolf's care manual for the cobalt oven, You will see that's a "No NO" to just run the self clean for such deposits. I told her I would clean it for her, she said "No Biggie" and She did it herself,--that saved a lotta electricity and "Fate tempting" Anyway without "Further Ado" here is the wolf info, You should probably get that info for your oven manufacturer's cleaning recommendations, sooooo U will have to decide how or whether to use this info on your particular oven! As this will make my post pretty long, I will add more later in another post. "Wolf Info" "Oven Interior (Blue) Before utilizing the self-clean feature, use a razor blade to gently lift baked on foods from oven cavity and window. For stubborn stains,spray with a mild abrasive cleaner or spray degreaser and scrub with a no-scratch Scotch-Brite� pad (pink or blue). If stain persists, use Easy-Off� Fume Free Oven Cleaner or a S.O.S.� Steel Wool Soap Pad. The S.O.S.� pad should be used lightly at first and with more force if the stain remains. Wash the entire oven cavity with soap and water to remove all cleaning chemicals before entering self clean mode. If the residue is not cleaned from the cavity, etching of the porcelain may occur. Once self clean cycle is complete, allow the oven to cool completely and wipe out ash with a damp cloth. IMPORTANT NOTE: Do not allow food with a high sugar or acid content (i.e. milk, tomatoes, fruit juices) to remain on any porcelain enamel surface. Failure to remove these foods may cause a permanent dull spot. IMPORTANT NOTE: Never wipe a warm or hot porcelain surface with a damp cloth or sponge as this may cause chipping or crazing (hairline cracks)." Gary...See MoreBuilders' pricing for kitchen appliances
Comments (6)As Sophie mentioned, some brands like Miele, Wolf/Subzero, and Gaggenau impose UMRP, Unilateral Manufacturers Retail Price. That means no discounting, and no matter where you buy it, the price will be the same, or perhaps you might find regional differences of $100. Some appliance retailers will give incentives when selling you UMRP brands by other means: e.g., by discounting other brand appliances you might be buying at the same time, or throwing in non-cash incentives like free delivery and installation. Or, you can find UMRP brand appliances at lower prices when they are returns, or a discontinued model, or scratched/dented. Jennair you mentioned is a Whirlpool brand and not UMRP. You can find all kinds of discounts, as well as Black Friday deals, Christmas deals, etc. on the several Whirlpool brands. Thermador is part of Bosch/Gaggenau, and I am not sure whether Thermador falls under UMRP or not. Thermador has well-advertised package discounts when you buy an entire suite of all-Thermador, but they are costly packages. Miele most definitely has UMRP. There's also no such thing really as "builders pricing", or the similarly-named "contractors discount". For non-UMRP brands, you almost always get better prices by going to stores and negotiating directly than you can by going through a contractor or builder. When you are at a store and the salesperson tells you the price is with a "builders discount", s/he just means, well, discount. Putting the word "builders" in front of the word "discount" makes the buyer feel the deal is more special....See MoreRecommendation for Easy to Clean 36 inch All-Gas Range?
Comments (39)Oh geeze, here is my anal retentiveness rearing its ugly head again but here we go again. Hang on... Probably due to the terrible review that Consumer Reports gave Bertazzoni years ago on an older model people are shying away from the new model. Does the new model make up for the sins of the last model? So how about this comparison, The Bertazzoni MAST366GASXT vs. the Fisher & Paykel OR36SCG4X1? Off the top, I can get an extra burner with the Bertazzoni. The Fisher & Paykel offers only 5 burners. The Bertazzoni has better btu numbers, going from 750 btu's to 19,000 btu's. Fisher & Paykel goes from 1,000 btu's to 18,000 btu's. One of Bertazzoni's burners goes down to 750 btu's but the rest of their burners have higher btu's. What if you want to simmer more than one sauce at a time? Fisher & Paykel's burners only go down to 1000 btu's but all of their burners go this low. I am not worried about the btu's at the high end but the low end I am worried about. Are Fisher & Paykel's 1000 btu's low enough for a gentle simmer? The Betazzoni doesn't have a storage drawer. The Fisher & Paykel does. The Betazzoni seems to have a thin rubber door seal which can wear out faster than Fisher & Paykel's more robust woven door seal. Also, on the Bertazzoni, I can easily see sauce spilling into those rear air vents at the back of the oven. Is there a way to clean these vents if this happens? The Fisher & Paykel doesn't have this problem. The Bertazzoni has a 11,000 btu infrared gas broiler. Is it similar to the ceramic infrared broiler in the BlueStar Pro range? Though infrared broilers are preferred, is Bertazzoni's 11,000 btu broiler better than Fisher & Paykel's conventional 13,000 btu gas broiler? I finally found a stat that is the same on both ranges. The baking/roasting power on both ranges have a maximum 17,000 btu's. The difference is that Bertazzoni's oven is always on and kept at a constant temperature. I've never cooked with a range like this before and I wonder how much of an advantage it really is over conventional oven that turn on and off to regulate the temperature. Finally, at least of this writing, Fisher & Paykel is offering an extended 5 year warranty on all of their products, unheard of in the industry. Bertazzoni's warranty is the conventional two years so you will have to purchase an additional warranty for peace of mind. There are other questions I have too but this is a start. The problem with appliance dealers, blogs, and reviews is that no one really seems to be a consumer advocate. Has anyone addressed the issues I brought up here? I think potential customers would like to have answers to these questions....See MoreAdvice on Dual Fuel Range Selection
Comments (120)Durham Designs, So funny you should mention Waterstone. I saw one in a showroom and not knowing anything about it I gravitated right to it. My friend who was with me knew what it was and she started laughing because I always am drawn to the most expensive of whatever it is I am looking at. And as a recently retired college professor I can seldom afford it. I can't have too tall of a faucet either as I have a window over my sink and it would overwhelm my small kitchen as well. Your house sounds wonderful. Very different from mine but definitely one that anyone who visits would be interested in. I have a somewhat edgy style that was once described by the teacher in a design class I took as "Bohemian Primitive Spanish"--whatever that is. It is always evolving. I have quite a few older things some from my grandmother and parents as I am the only child of an only child so everything has gotten passed to me. I have a big storage unit and I switch things in and out of my house. I have contemporary art as well along with a lot of color. Mothers must feel like they need to give pots and pans to their daughters. I just heated up some soup in a Revere Ware sauce pan that my mom gave me when I had my first apartment. I also have a set of colorful Corningware bowls that she gave me. I don't use them but since my mom gave them to me I let them occupy precious space in my kitchen cabinets My house is quite small (1300 square feet) so I can identify with your size limitations. I am in Central Austin near the University and downtown. The property values in this area have gone up so much since 1981 when I bought my house that I can barely afford the taxes on it now. It would be great if I wanted to move and cash out but I don't. Many people in the high tech industry have moved here from California and they are driving up our property prices (and taxes) by their willingness to pay extremely high prices for Real Estate. They will come into the area and pay half a million dollars for a 1940s bungalow and then tear it down and build a huge monster house on a tiny city lot. I guess this is progress but I have watched Austin grow from the laid back home of Willie Nelson to a high tech mecca and I really miss some of its old character. I know what you mean about the stock market--I try not to watch it daily or I will go crazy. My dad grew up in an Italianate Victorian house on a farm in Central Illinois. My uncle lived in it all his life and farmed while my dad left the farm to pursue another career. After my uncle died, my dad and I fixed the house up. I kept it for many years and visited there in the summer much like I did growing up. After a while it just became too much to try to maintain a home in a place where you don't live. Particularly during the winter. So I sold it to a wonderful family that I have known for many years up there. But I did keep a lot of the family items which range from Victorian Antiques to Homemade. My favorite item is an old gate-leg table that my grandmother inherited from her grandmother, originally from Pennsylvania and built by Amish craftsmen. I use it as a console behind my sofa with the leaves folded down. I was born in Hawaii and while we only lived there a few years, my mom had a beautiful carved chest with a matching set of nested tables that I am trying desperately to find space in my house for. I lost my mom in Dec. 2017. She was 96 and lived in a Retirement Community in Dallas. I still have not gone through all the things that I kept from my parents house from 2004 after my dad died and mother decided to sell the house and move. So much stuff and they had lived in the house since 1956. I did donate a lot of things to several charities and sold a few things but there are some personal items you just want to take your time going through. They are all in storage here in town and so now that I am retired, I hope I can have time to sort through things. I think I must have in my possession about a dozen sets of dishes (some probably quite valuable and others not worth anything). My mother had drawers full of costume jewelry from the 1920's on up and they have been really fun to go through. She never met a bracelet she didn't like it seems. I have integrated some things from my family into my house but have had to do so sparingly due to space limitations. I did find room for a lovely blue Lalique vase that sits in front of my bedroom window and catches the light. My mother kept it in a cabinet because she didn't want to break it. But I think it should be out where it can be enjoyed....See Morejulieste
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