What are your favorite tea roses?

3 years ago

I recently fell in love with Duchesse De Brabant (online...haven't yet seen her in person). I'm thinking that I'd love to plant one, maybe two tea roses. I dont have a huge garden, it's just a regular suburban lot so I figure I don't really have room for more than one or two teas.
If you had to pick just two teas, which would you pick?

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erasmus_gw

3 years ago

Duchesse de Brabant is one tea that for me was pretty dense and shrubby. It was moderately big, about 6' tall by 4.5' wide, and got a little blackspot but it was a beautiful rose . I had to move it and it never recovered. I think it's a good bet if space is limited.

My favorite teas are Mrs. B.R. Cant, Madame Lombard, Crepuscule, Rainbow, and Madame Antoine Mari, and Mme. Berkeley in order of preference. The first three are large plants here, and Rainbow is pretty large. Mme. Berkeley sprawls wide in part shade. All are very healthy.

Mrs. B.R. Cant...a great bloomer, and very fragrant:

Madame Lombard...my plant is huge in part shade but reblooms very well. Blooms vary in color and form quite a bit. It has a tea fragrance and great health.

Rainbow ...tea fragrance, great bloomer

Madame Berkely in fall with hardy ageratum

Crepuscule

I loved Lady Hillingdon but mine was killed by several polar vortexes.

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slumgullion in southern OR
3 years ago
...Also, no pics of the garden as a whole; just individual plants...maybe this summer I'll take some...
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' Le Pactole':

The blooms can range from white to blush to pale yellow, depending on the weather:

'Mme Lambard':

'Duchesse de Brabant' is also lovely that way when she isn't in PM mode (I am hopeful that her new location in my front garden will reduce her susceptibility to powdery mildew in the spring -- much better air circulation and soil than where she was -- because otherwise she is just gorgeous).

However, I also totally love 'Lady Roberts', "Arcadia Louisiana Tea", 'Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux', and "Lady Hillingdon" for beauty of individual blooms and cutting. Teas are just such a wonderful class of roses in the right climate -- pretty much can't be beat here.
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@librarian_gardner_8b_pnw what part of the Willamette Valley are you in? I was in Salem when I grew my 18 Teas, I also had several Chinas. I know that in some places they do well, but as Paul Barden in Corvallis will tell you it depends on where you are located in the Willamette Valley and your specific microclimate.
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In Seattle, though our winter is always rainy or cloudy, my Mademoiselle de Sombreuil and Lady Hillingdon are still doing well for me. Antoine Mari and Mlle Franziska Kruger just came last year as band plants so I can't comment now. One thing is interesting. I'm told that Mlle Franziska Kruger likes hot full sun, but she tried to bloom this winter. Maybe she thinks that this winter is not cold enough? LOL. As for china, Mutabilis is hard to be defeated here. She is almost evergreen here and blooms all year round. My neighbors love her as well.
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erasmus_gw
3 years ago
I had teas blooming in December here in NC this year. I love Mutabilis also.

One of my favorite teas that I didn't mention because I've lost it is Angel's Camp Tea. It was my most fragrant tea. Roofing debris killed it combined with cold and shade. Alana had a plant from me and she's trying to root me one.
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3 years ago
I think I may be one of the few who likes Bon Silene. It's a rose that takes a while to reach its best, with early mildew problems and scraggly blooms. But now it's gotten so huge that Madame Berkeley is growing underneath it, and it's overtaking General Schablikine to become my favorite. Here's a picture of the blooms I picked on Christmas day (I also posted this picture on Reddit):
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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
3 years ago
I love your rose, HU. I don't know how I missed this one. I think many people don't know these Teas or they would love them.
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Adam Harbeck
3 years ago
Devoniensis (shrub form). Stunning. And open enough for the bees.
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Adam Harbeck
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A great, lush tea-esque rose is Spray Cecile Brunner. I spotted this one peeping up over a fence.
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catspa_zone9sunset14
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I have a Spray Cecile Brunner started from a cutting of a plant in the backyard of my daughter's rental (building is ca 1920s; once a single residence, probably, but now subdivided into apartments) in San Francisco. It is sort of "tea-esque" and that was among my first guesses as to what class it might belong to. There, San Francisco being so foggy many days and that backyard very shady, its plant form was more like a climber, as it stretched at least 15', through some massive bamboo, to reach the sun. It was only after growing it here in abundant, open sun for a few years that it dawned on my what it was. It's a sturdy thing. (I also got a nice plant of Cramoisi Superieur from cuttings from that backyard.)
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SylviaWW 9a Hot dry SoCal
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I’m in 9b, SoCal, and I’d give my vote to Dr. Grill. Here it is today:

At my old house I had Marie Van Houtte, mostly cream with some yellow, pinkish in heat. It filled a 5x5 raised box in less than three years. Wonderful rose.
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KittyNYz6
3 years ago
Hi,

Too difficult to decide... my favorite....

maybe Francis Meilland

Or

Yves Piaget

or

Eden Climber

Or a dozen others.... Fairy Tales, Pomponella, Scentuous....

oh, my to choose! Eden is the most delicate! And Francis Meilland has huge incredibly scented blooms! Yves Piaget is gorgeous-looks like cups when it opens a little and great scented on bouquets!!! My essentials for a rose garden now!
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librarian_gardner_8b_pnw
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3 years ago
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I haven't been able to check back here for a while and have some catching up to do. So many wonderful suggestions for tea class and china roses and lovely photos, thank you! I'm certainly looking into all of these. My main bed for the teas and chinas wont exist until my neighbor builds the fence (that he wants) separating our side yards so I probably have about a year or more to decide. But then I'll have a very long south facing garden that will be next to a long concrete driveway, so the warmest spot in my garden with full summer sun. And I'll have room for 3!

If I decide on some chinas that stay smaller I might put some in another spot, too.

Seriously, thank you all for your input. I went back and read older posts too. I've learned so much from the kind people on this forum. So much knowledge and experience!

@Brandon Garner it's nice to hear you had a good experience with these classes of roses in Salem. I'm in Eugene/Springfield, close to the McKenzie River. I lived most my life in Southern Arizona so I've been spending the last 7 years learning my new climate and learning the microclimates even in the different spots in my garden (depending on the side of the house, etc). These OGR are so beautiful and unique I'm excited to try some. If I still lived in the Sonoran desert, I think I'd fill my garden with nothing but teas and chinas (oh and maybe some other OGR that didn't need chill hours).

To those of you who found old tea roses on older properties....how lucky and what a cool find!

For this spring, for teas or chinas, I'm getting only the Duchesse de Brabant fron HCR (she'll be south facing next to the street). I might have ordered a couple others to try from ARE but I missed their window for sending to Oregon, since they only ship here in January when they can send bare roots. Too bad we can't get their large potted plants!

Once I settle on a wishlist I'll share here. I really need to look at photos and mature plant sizes, etc for so many of the suggestions here. Oh it's fun to dream!

@KittyNYz6 thank you for sharing some of your favourites! Im new to rose gardening this year and i really appreciate the kindness and enthusiasm of others here. Yves Piaget looks like an incredible hybrid tea that I'm hoping to find at a local nursery. If I can't I'll try to order it for spring 2022. I love how it looks like a purplish peony!
mustbnuts zone 9 sunset 9
3 years ago
Burlington Nursery carries several tea roses, including climbing and tea noisettes. She has great roses and they are reasonably priced. If you go to Burlington's Nursery homepage on HFM, you can see what plants she carries. You can also email or call her for a list of what she currently has in stock. Her website has been under constant construction for the past 10 years or so, so I wouldn't recommend going to the website.
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3 years ago
Thanks for the tip, @mustbnuts zone 9 sunset 9!
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3 years ago
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Hi, LibrarIan-Gardner,

How wonderful to choose a few new roses!

Nurseries are selling out and I find I hunt all over the U.S. to find the unique roses I like.

I put a brick border up to give my property line definition between neighbors and am in process of building fence in spring. But I already put in my rose beds a little ways from property line. Maybe you could try some temporary markers to give your property definition so you can order rroses for this spring?

I ordered Ives Piaget from Regan Nursery, but it’s sold out. Only nursery now sells it is Otto & Sons in Filmore, CA for pick up-but maybe they’d do a special order for you? or Rogue Valley has a wait list you can sign up for.

Sone more favorite HTs of mine:

Cream Yves Piaget (Classic Woman in U.S.) sold at Roses Unlimited. It has same shape as Yves Piaget which is fushia/lilac.
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3 years ago
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@erasmus_gw holy cow, Madame Berkeley looks amazing, they all do. Love lady hillingdon. I have Mdm Antoine Mari and Mrs BR Cant coming from ARE. Does anyone grow Dr Grill, Sorority Tea?
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Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country
3 years ago
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Hume’s Blush Tea scented China ( I believe it is part Tea rose... ) It does not become huge...

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Oursteelers,

Baronne Henrietta de Snoy is magnificen! I see her sold out at Rose Petals Nursery, but someday may like to buy her. Love her delicate pink and changes colors a little. Does she bloom much?

I saw a vase of her blooms at Rose Petal Nursery-gorgeous?!

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Kitty, she’s been pretty good for me even though she’s still young. I hope she’s not mad at me this year-I moved her because she’s more pink than peach and her new spot isn’t as good as her old one.

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I love the opalescent petals of G Nabonnand. Mine is a baby plant in second year but I am hoping for a 9 foot tall rose tree that should be expected in my climate. He has the prime spot in my yard. I also love Monsieur Tillier with his banana fragrance and ever changing colors of purple-pink in the winter and brick red orange pink in the summer. I am also hoping for a mini tree like the MT at Huntington Gardens by my house.
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Here is a winter colored Monsieur Tiller bloom with Lady of Shallot and Madame Alfred Carriere. Cut today while pruning.
librarian_gardner_8b_pnw
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Absolutely gorgeous, @Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal!
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This thread has been really fun for me. Thank you to everyone who has been sharing. I love all the photos!
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I've always admired the climbing sport of LADY HILLINGDON. The contrast between the egg yolk yellow blooms and the burgundy toned foliage and canes is striking. The high centered blooms are elegantly formed, always open, and possess a wonderfully strong fragrance. I'm usually not a fan of the Tea roses because of the weak stems, but with a climber the nodding blooms are seen to best effect. Stunningly beautiful rose.
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I'm pretty sure your Westside Road Cream Tea is my Jesse Hildreth, John, and you couldn't be more right about what a charmer it is.
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I had Jesse Hildreth, loved it but had to move it due to too intense sun and it died. I would love to replace it but can't find it. Rogue Valley has it but it's out of stock. Anyone know where I can get Jesse HIldreth/Westside Road Cream (if they're the same)? I'm in Arizona so Rose Petal Nursery unfortunately doesn't ship here. I'd love to get a replacement; so hard to find!

Thanks
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needmoremulch
3 years ago
If I could only have two, I'd probably go with G. Nabonnand and Mrs. B. R. Cant. Tough choice!
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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
3 years ago
Could Burlington have Jesse I wonder, HU?
KittyNYz6
3 years ago
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Hi, Friend,

On “The Friend’s of Vintage Roses.org ,” website it shows photos distinguishing between 2 different roses-Lady Hillingdon and Westside Road Cream tea, but they look similar.

HU,

Rose Petals Nursery had Westside Road Cream Tea. If you click “notified,” they will notify you when available. I tried it and after talking to them , they put a rose out from stock for me. Same thing at Heirloom Roses! Wait lists work well!

These teas are gorgeous creams! The website shows “Monsieur Tiller,” another beautiful cream, also!
Tony Kopari Z4b So MN
3 years ago
oursteelers - I'm wondering if you'd be willing to trade cuttings or plants with me?
Tony Kopari Z4b So MN
3 years ago
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- HU-712391181 - I'm wondering if you'd be willing to trade cuttings or plants with me?
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
3 years ago
Kitty, the Westside Road Cream Tea is Jesse Hildreth apparently but Lady H is totally different and egg yolk yellow. Monsieur Tillier is a complex rose orange. Look the up on HMF roses for more accurate photos.

That link was incorrect.
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KittyNYz6
3 years ago
John,

Lovely photos of Westside Road Cream tea on Googl album! Great idea.
Adam Harbeck
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This is my Monsieur Tillier
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KittyNYz6
3 years ago
oursteelers,

Did I mention I love Baronne Henrietta Snoy-so delicate pink-gorgeous! Thanks for sharing!
oursteelers 8B PNW
3 years ago
Kitty, it is so much better in person. I’m really nervous all these tea roses are going to take over my garden but I’m hoping my mild weather helps to contain their size.

I have to try though, they just make me so happy to look at, foliage and flowers
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KittyNYz6
3 years ago
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Oursteelers,

How many tea roses? How many Antique Tea roses do you have? I see B. Henrietta Snoy grows 12 ft. I know they grow healthily tall in PNW as I used to grow roses there And I have been a few times to the Portland Rose Garden. They are amazing beautiful there! Even if your yard turns into a thick Rose Emporium! Lol!

I see a lot of Tea roses grow 10-12 ft. I am concerned I ordered a lot (5)-tall antique roses.

I also will have 10 other modern climbers.

It will be a lot of climbing and pruning. on the fences and house., trellises came in the mail today! I have 85 or so other roses I will trim and trim. However, they don’t grow that tall in NY , too cold, stunts their growth. So I will like the vigorous growers like climbers maybe. My garden in front of home is 2 year old roses and all new roses this spring snd back yard/side yard is all new. landscape and new roses in spring so I will see how they all grow. Hope I am not buried in roses! Or maybe it will be fun beiny buried in Roses! Lol!
librarian_gardner_8b_pnw
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Gorgeous photo album, @John (PNW zone 8). Thank you for sharing!

I cant limit myself to just two! So many beautiful options. Maybe I can manage 4 large ones along that fence my neighbor wants to build. Then i could manage a couple that don't get giant in a backyard bed. Well I have time. The fence doesn't exist yet!

It's wonderful how every week more photos appear in this thread. A huge thanks to everyone who has contributed.
Formerly RBEHS Z10A/S17
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KittyNYz6
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HU,

Well, you have some fun tall ones to trim! LOL!

Mme Berkeley I just ordered so I have more height to look forward too! Lol!
oursteelers 8B PNW
3 years ago
Kitty I have 16 and a couple of those are climbers. I have more coming from ARE next week :)
erasmus_gw
3 years ago
I'd check the zones on the teas and be a little cautious as some are not very hardy. I know someone who " pushes the zone" in upstate NY and has grown teas...not sure if they're still growing them as it has been many years. Cynthia in NE has tried some teas I think. Old teas are not the same as hybrid teas. Some think that teas resent much pruning. In my garden I can cut them back some without a problem but it might be wise to be a little cautious till you see how they do.

Must add that Mons. Tillier was one of my favorites..I just don't have him anymore. He was an incredible bloomer but pretty sensitive to hot afternoon sun...blooms would fry. Did better with some afternoon shade.

General Gallieni is a great, healthy bloomer . The colors can be a blend of brick and pink. Sort of odd to me sometimes.

Rosette Delizzy ...mine is less hardy than others and has had a long road back from being severely cold damaged here in zone 7a.
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catspa_zone9sunset14
3 years ago
'Mrs. B.R. Cant' absolutely deserves another vote here (the scent, the bloom form, the color!). I forgot to mention her before because my wonderful old plant of her died a couple of years ago (gall, with which, amazingly, she lived for at least 10 years, performing well nevertheless, before finally declining and dying) and the young plant to replace her is still getting established.

Here's a photo of the old plant, just before her decline (was approx. 10' x 15'; the lighter pink bloom on the left is from 'Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux', an equally large tea):

Here is a close-up of her flower, in a little vase with two "plum-tart" iris (Iris graminea) flowers:
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KittyNYz6
3 years ago
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Erasmus,

I am thinking about Mme Berkeley, zone 7, I was surprized to see zone 7 since I am supposed to buy zone 6. I think I will try it this year anyway, but plant it near home side as it is warmer and w/flowers next to it. I found the extra flower foliage and home side is lots warmer than other parts of my yard. I will use burlap in winter to keep M Berkeley warm. Thanks for the cautionary note.

I grew tomatoes, strawberries, and 2 climbers (Eden/Zepherine Drouhin that were only 6 inches tall in that spot over winter and my butterfly bush covered them... keeping warm during winter and in spring Eden had a first bloom on a 12 inch stem. In spring I then transplanted them to larger more permanent spots on house side and they are now 3 ft. The strawberries are still growing green now a Foot of snow melted off of them on this side, best in my yard! . The tomato vine on the side of home came back... I tried transplanting it elsewhere. But didn’t get it all out and it came back again each year-funny. Aren’t they supposed to die! Lol!

This side of my home has many roses and they are so robust-stronger than all my other roses so far. I have a rose Tree “Wedding Dress” w/ mini blooms that blooms abundantly-tons, and I don’t protect it for winter at all. Tree roses often die in my cold weather unless you protect the trunks and minis die too-too delicate sometimes.

It’s the Magic side of my yard where anythinggrows and flourishes!

Soil is really good on that side of home... thick w/ amendments and mulch, too.... I’m going to add more soil amendments to all beds to make it more like that side of home-hoping for better results all around my rose gardens.
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slumgullion in southern OR
3 years ago
I agree, growing things right near the base of the house (especially if it's a concrete slab, or the walls are made of brick/stucco/etc) is a great strategy.

I have about 2-3 dozen teas and chinas...they are all still relatively young (0-5 years) so none of them has gotten unmanageable yet; far from it, I think the largest is still only 5' tall or so. But I planted them with the intention of creating a thick imprenetrable tall hedge...so they are welcome to get as big as they want!! I may have to prune somewhat to keep the most vigorous ones from drowning out the less vigorous ones. But that's still years away.
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librarian_gardner_8b_pnw
Original Author
3 years ago
@catspa_zone9sunset14 and @erasmus_gw lovely photos! The three you just mentioned are on my "to consider" list. @slumgullion in southern OR 2 to3 dozens teas and chinas! Oh how wonderful! I think I'll be able to have maybe 3 or 4 teas and then maybe 4 smaller chinas....but no more!
KittyNYz6
3 years ago
@slumgullion in southern OR,

2-3 dozen teas! that will be quite a hedge! Total privacy!