Nick

Like No Other’s blooms have been small, maybe 3” tops, but it bloomed a ton , was very fragrant and petal packed.

I’d give Fun in the Sun another year...mine didn’t have any trouble through a very wet spring, although I know are climates are quite different. I thought Fun in the Sun, Perfume Factory and Queen of Elegance were perhaps the best set for first year roses I ever grew.

Perfume Factory‘s late fall blooms where perfect , huge, full petaled and beautifully violet and wonderfully scented.

It took Chartreuse de Parme three years to become beautiful and fragrant, but she had a great fall too:

Oohh Ben, Perfume Factory and Chartreuse de Parme are gorgeous!

I agree with Kristine, BenT!

Bumping up this thread, I’d love to see more!

Here‘s a few more

THE McCARTNEY ROSE

BUXOM BEAUTY

FRAGRANT PLUM

BIG MOMMA

Here's a couple more:

Bolero, isn't mine sadly, belongs to my next door neighbor. Hoping for one next year.

Let Freedom Ring, absolutely delicious raspberry tea fragrance. The bloom form is similar to Firefighter but the bush is a lot more upright and the blooms last longer in the vase...this one was 9 days looking perfectly pretty!!

Joey, beautiful pictures. I love Bolero too, but I don’t have one.

i used to have Let Freedom Ring, I loved it, but it only had a light fragrance. It is a perfect rose for cutting, it lasts for days in the vase.

Bella'Roma- This rose seems to be less available these days. Good for cutting, excellent repeat, nice deep green glossy leaves, long vase life. Intense fragrance, strong grower, upright up to 5 feet tall in Chicago, major thorns, stout canes.

Double Delight- Still powerfully fragrant even at the end of a long sunny day. A classic, good repeat, 3 1/2 feet tall, rounded.

Everest Double Fragrance- I don't know about double fragrance, but it smells strongly of cloves, lots of thorns up to 6 feet tall, good repeat.

Star Of The Nile- 3-4 feet tall, short stems, this could be a Hybrid Tea, or Floribunda, smells like the candy Cherry Nibs.

Typhoo Tea- A remarkably deep, fruity, exotic complex scent that every bug in the world wants to dive into and roll around in. It has been voted, "Most Delicious Rose" by the local Japanese Beetles. This rose wants to grow 8 feet tall, long stems, lots of thorns, good repeat.

Al, your Double Delight is just stunning

This my first year growing it and it is already a favorite.

I agree about Bella Roma. I remember when it first came out we couldnt kerp it in stock. Now you never hear much about it. It is a beautiful rose though isnt it

Some lovely roses Al, thanks for sharing!

Hermès, your Foto should be sold by nurseries. I love it! Almost thornless and fragrant and beautiful red and tolerant of dry heat. THAT IS A WINNER!!!!!

Yes indeed Stephanie. I never thought that I could almost produce the rose I‘m aiming for: Thornless

fragrant dark red that has short vigorous disease- free growth. There’s still very tiny thorns on the lower stem . It’s not totally disease- free but has above average disease resistantce that you can grow it beautifully without the use of chemicals.

Hermès, Have you tried to root your creations? I was planning to try a few of my roses just to see if I could do it. However, there are apparently some varieties that are easy and some that are hard to root even for professionals.

Yes. It can be grown from cutting. I also tried grafting lately & the grafts were successful..

Hermes, I have a strong interest for thornless roses and would definitely be interested in paying for shipping for some cuttings hah. Would have sent this as a direct message but yours appear to be turned off.

I’m not ready to sell it yet since I want to name & register this rose as soon as possible.

Garden Time 6B Boise Idaho Yves Piaget seedling is 100% thornless.

The pink seedling smells like baby powder, and its hardy for many years my zone 5a. It is bred by Robert Neil Rippetoe in CA, and I bought the seeds from him to grow in my zone 5a back in 2013:

The red seedling of Yves Piaget smells like red wine and grape juice, YUM. It's hardy in my zone 5a since 2013:

One drawback of both seedlings from Yves Piaget: it prefers a DRY CLIMATE and tend to blackspots during high rain months in my Chicagoland, zone 5a.

Thornless roses are the hardest to root. Both Yves seedlings are harder to root than Annie L. McDowell (bred by Kim Rupert or Roseseek). Annie is 90% thornless rose with amazing musk and lilac scent, see below, survived three zone 5a winters:

Annie is offered by a nursery in Florida. Last year I succeeded in rooting pink Yves seedling, but chipmunks ate it in the spring. Red Yves is wimpier than pink Yves, harder to root with its thin stem and dislike for excess water.

There’s lot lots of fragrant thornless roses in my experience that are easy to root like Marie Pavie, Cotillon, Lo & Behold, Pink Soupert, Pureza, just to name a few. But the easiest one among them is Smooth Velvet and it’s hybrid that I created : Smooth Velvet X Midnight Blue and fotos shown below of a 2 yr old cutting my wife stuck on an

unprepared clayish soil 2 yrs ago.

@BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) do you think Neil Diamond would work as a standard? My local nursery has it as one. How is the remontancy? @Nick 10bSW17 what is your experience with ND and rebloom?

@PDXRobertZ8

Neil is rather upright and tall by nature, so I’d be concerned that a standard version might be too tall and vertical. Repeat is reliable, and blooms retain their size/quality very well. My local nursery has some terrific looking standards of Neil, too, and I pondered over getting one even though I knew it probably wouldn’t work for me. I have heard that blackspot resistance is not so good. I wouldn’t know, since I sprayed religiously in Texas, and now I’m in hot California where only Dr Huey gets blackspot.

@BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)

I have Firefighter rose in a standard form. It’s tall and skinny, anorexic even. I love it because it lets me squeeze in another rose into this tiny garden, but the shape is not at all rounded like one expects from a standard. Still, it might let me try Neil in my own garden of too many roses.

Neil Diamond at the International Rose Test Garden here in Portland is a behemoth. Tall, fat, with huge blooms. I’ve not seen disease ever but they may spray. I’ve avoided it because it just seems so massive. But it’s impossible not to want it after reading all of your posts and seeing all of your photos.

@PDXRobertZ8

Well, if Firefighter isn’t too big as a standard, then I think you should go for Neil Diamond too! It would easily make my top 5 of favorite roses and is always super fragrant.

By the way, I was reading your comments on Red Eden, and now I must have one. And amazingly enough my local nursery is carrying it. So we’re even, as far as the enabling goes!

Ha! @BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) Well, I love Red Eden, but I could not get it pillared to save my life. Training it up a wall or a wide trellis may be just fine--the canes are robust! And mine grew like crazy, no disease, and the blooms last ages and ages. I hope yours treats you just as well!

I'm assuming that's Eden behind your Neil Diamond in the above image?

@PDXRobertZ8

In this video of Red Eden, seems like it blooms well even when rather vertical, and the gardener says Red Eden has excellent repeat. And I believe she gardens in Houston, a city that could legitimately claim itself as the blackspot/humidity/mosquito capital of the universe!

Yes, Eden is the rose behind Neil.

Ben, that mirrors my experience with Red Eden.

Great video. Love the majestic music behind it! She's right that an arch would be better than a pillar. And do not delay bending the canes--they stiffen up quickly.

@BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) be sure to watch her other video comparing Red Eden and Florentina where she talks about how much Red Eden can ball. I don't think you will have this issue in California, but it's worth noting for those reading this.

Robert,

I agree the music is great, and my favorite rose videos include a narrative on everything the gardener has learned about growing a particular variety. You’re right we have no balling here, more concerned with the opposite issue, crisping in hot sun.

You and Librarian are terrible enablers, I just returned from the nursery with my new Red Eden.

@BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) I feel just DREADFUL for the role I've played in this.

My Red Eden didn't really crisp much in our extreme heat waves last summer. I looked for photos, but didn't find much, but my memory tells me they were okay.

Oh Ben. You influence me too much. I bought Neil Diamond a couple of years ago because of your photos/comments. But Neil never really liked my yard and only produced a few flowers. So last summer I gave him to my sister, who is about 2 hours north of where you are, and her Neil is LOVING her yard. So Neil has gone on to a new life elsewhere so he can really PERFORM. And in other news, even though I loved my Carding Mill when I first got it, I remember you saying you thought it looked like a big piece of raw salmon. I could never get that image out of my head. And CM was not a good re-bloomer for me, personally, so I gave that one away over the weekend. But, you are still in my head, as I'm waiting for my Mill on the Floss, which you dubbed Schill on the Floss. I'm hoping my garden yields a different result... I still love my Julie Andrews, though...so there's that! ;-)

On a totally separate topic -- did you move your roses or start over when you came to CA?

Ben, your. RE will achieve glory before mine did. It wasn't until the end of d last season that. It really started wowing me. Mine is an own root and was planted behind a rhododendron to climb up a north dfacing fence. So all odds stacked against it. It got tall enough to be mostly in the summer sun and on the open trellis above the fence last August and it put on a nice show. I'm hopefulhopefulthihopefulhopeful this next season it will leap. I look forward to seeing the wonderful life itiRE will have in your garden.

isis

Yay Houzz gremlins

I echo Deborah, your reviews Ben have certainly influenced me. I'm glad. To have Sweet Delight thanks to you

Librarian

I think a decent flush from any climber the 1st season is doing very well. I’m glad you like Sweet Delight, I’m still amazed by the fragrance

Deborah

I’m glad Neil is dong great for your sister, she must be hotter/sunnier than where you are. I suppose Carding Mill would be very beautiful to cats, they salivate over dead fish. And Julie Andrews…some time ago, the shovel told those flat pink pancakes ’so long, farewell, Auf Weidersehen ,goodbye!.‘ When I moved, the powers that be told me I could take roses without soil to California. My friend and I dug out 80+ roses, most are doing very well in my new home.

Robert,

I’m having to dig out a big ugly old euonymous to make room for Red Eden. This house came with the customary plain, dull, and overgorwn shrubs. Why in the world do people plant such things?

I bet I could name all the plants in your new yard having lived in Cali most of my life. Any agapanthus? Haha

Ben , forgive me if I’ve forgotten but have you shown a thread of your California garden beds ? I know we’d love to see as you make progress.

Yes, Agapanthus, you really know your California! When I mom bought her house in California, the only surviving ornamentals were palms and agapanthus.

You know, it's so strange but I spent all my teenage years in an affluent area of Southern California and don't remember noticing a single rose. Now to be fair, I wasn't paying super close attention to everyone's landscaping, but I feel like I would remember if someone in the neighborhoods along my walks to and from school had a huge rose in spring flush. I do remember my very first drive to the house though, seeing a tree from far away covered in purple flowers. I had never seen such a thing and I was blown away. I definitely remember a neighbor growing agapanthus :)

Figured id add some pics too ! Nahema is incredible

Sharifa asma smells sooo good id bottle it if i could

lovers blush smells similar to sceptred isle which i also adore

AmAmazing grGrace loveeee her !

Easy spirit

Heirlooms pink tranquility . one of my best roses !

Ben, my house came with 4 euonymous!!! I was so happy when we had an extremeextreme ( 10F) frost the first winter and 3 of them died. Good reason to remove them. I did keep the one that survived. It was protected by the shed and gives v me cheerful color in the middle of foggy brown winter. I guess it carriown weight enough because I've stopped thinking about removing it. Madame Hardy is climbing all over it now, so ii suppose it fits in.my yard was so boring when it was just grass and 4 euonymouseuonymous.

Beautiful gorgeous fragrant blooms Lilyfinch! Your posts have also influenced my garden!

These Houzz gremlins don't give up.

Lilyfinch, you have such glorious roses.

I'm pretty stoked to see Easy Spirit. I planted one this summer and it took right off. It already won me over.

Librarian,

I didn’t know that suburban Euonymus ever died on their own, I thought they outlived the giant sequoia forests. I hope you realized how lucky you are that yours croaked on their own, that’s very rare. Great that you put one to good use supporting Mme Hardy.

Jen

Such beautiful roses, I especially like Amazing Grace (in a half barrel?) and Easy Spirit (on the hell strip?) I commandeered my hell strip in my old house too, we need all the land we can get! Alas, new house does not have such a strip to overtake, but it has an RV parking pad that is slowiy being converted into a pot ghetto, I’ll have to post pics once I get organized.

Magpie,

There are roses all over my new neighborhood, all sorts of varieties, that’s when I knew I moved to the right place. Could the purple tree have been Jacaranda? Those are so beautiful, they are a Socal zone 10a thing, borderline hardy where I’m at, which means I’m still trying to grow one.

Robert

I forgot to mention regular Eden has big stiff canes too, so no worries, I’ve already had my introduction to thorny cane whiplash.

Here she is , Red Eden, I’m growing her and other new arrivals in an outdoor room under lights for about 2 months to let them root out.

So true @BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) I have regular Eden on my house—those canes are huge! As thick as broomsticks!

Re cali plants: when I was a teenager we moved to a new house and every single new yard had the same plants: agapanthus, euryops bush, wax privet, photinia, and heavenly bamboo. The older homes all had juniper, palms, pines, eucalyptus, euonymus, and HT roses. Then things like bouganvillea, crepe myrtle, and bird of paradise came. These plants are SEARED into my mind now haha

Robert,

Some of those plants : europs , new agapanthus varieties , bird of paradise, bouganvilla still seem exciting to me as a transplant from Texas.

I used to live in Portland (Beaverton, specifically). Every landscape was required to have a japanese maple if it was to be considered nice.

Hahaha yes! So true! Japanese maples, camellias, and fir trees are must haves here for sure

Don't forget the rhododendrons. Ben, I lived in southern Arizona for years and I loved all the different Mexican Bird of Paradise varieties. Is that what you're seeing? Or is it the tropical Bird of Paradise? The Mexican oneoneone an awesome arid y llandscape plant. I also loved all the varieties of bougainvillea.

@librarian_gardner_8b_pnw When I think of my time living in Arizona, the first plant I think of is oleander. And, you know... Cactus.

Robert,

I just bought some camellias, they do well here, too. The one thing I never saw in Beaverton was a beaver! Now I live in a town called Elk Grove, and I’m rather thankful there are no elks, one could probably eat a whole rose garden for lunch.

Librarian

Here I see tropical Bird of Paradise under every eave. I had to look up the Mexican version, apparently its the same plant I know as ’Pride of Barbados’. Some people even call it Mexican Pride of Barbados, huh? I think Rihanna also calls herself Pride of Barbados, no wonder why we’re all so confused!

Ah @BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14), I have a 50 year old massive clump (tall as me) that I jump into to prune and such. In adding roses to the front, I'm going to divide it out in clumps and replant. It makes a nice 'privacy screen' or back of border. I'm betting the rose blooms will just pop in front of it too. That bird is the reason I went with a lot of orange/apricot, lite pink/mid pink, pale yellow/yellow and white. Zeph D. will be the darkest color. Those colors are in the Bird's bloom, even the yellow, and it's blooms are massive. I'm no designer, but that just seems like a good thing. (Picture is from Wilcox Nursery, Mine looks like this.)

I've never transplanted a bird, but there are so many outer baby clumps, I figure I can just sheer off those to be my transplants and effectively 'move' the mama back about 2' by doing so. The mama is about 6' x 8' right now. Worth a shot I think.

Oh, and I did a Bougainvillea ONE time. It was beautiful. A hurricane took it out.... I had mistakenly put it on an arbor. BIG mistake... the thorns.... OMG. And in one season, the main stems were 1.5" diameter, woody and could not be moved or flexed. I learned you have to STAY ON it to train it. Mine loved the yard and in one year out grew the arbor, up into a palm tree and threatened passersby walking down the street. Little shop of Bougie horrors for sure. lol.

Magpie, where did you live? Depending on the city there is more or less native arid plants (like cactus and

Magpie, where did you live? Depending on the city there is more or less native arid plants (like cactus and the xMex Bird of eParadise or Rhianna plant...as Ben let us know 😁). There is a lot of oleander in Az and CA too.

the xMex Bird of eParadise or Rhianna plant...as Ben let us know 😁). There is a lot of oleander in Az and CA too. the xMex Bird of eParadise or Rhianna plant...as Ben let us know 😁). There is a lot of oleander in Az and CA too.

These Houzz gremlins.... putting words in my mouth.

If anyone in a hot dry climate can get one, I highly recommend the Mexican Bird of Paradise (or Pride of. BarbadosBarbados) it's beautiful and comes in many different colors. Also, very low maintenance and a great plant for folks who have to ration water

@librarian_gardner_8b_pnw I lived in Peoria. Nowhere exciting.