Oh, they have Bolero! Not an Austin, I know...but a lot of people here like this rose! They also have Quietness.

@rosecanadian Thank you Carol. I ordered Pretty Jessica, St. Swithun, and Othello: 23.99 x 3 + 27.65 s/h = $99.62.

I ordered Pretty Jessica from Rogue Valley Roses before and they sent the wrong rose. Hopefully Hortico will send me the correct rose. Helen

I can’t find pretty jessica helen ! Does anyone still see it ? 😢

@Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca Wow, they removed it already. I noticed they have a note saying that they have a limited number of Pretty Jessica. Helen

Hortico Rose List: https://hortico.com/roses/roseindex.asp?va=y

Wow . I’m glad you got it helen !! It’s so beautiful. I know we will get to enjoy your lovely photos !

@Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca Hortico has shipped wrong roses to people before so until I see the blooms from Pretty Jessica, I'll just take it easy, lol. Helen

Fortunately I was able to purchase Pretty Jessica as well. Can’t wait to get the rose next spring.

Wow! Everyone has moved so quickly!! I'm kind of waiting to see the rose list that Wildwood (Canadian only) has...but...if I wait...I may not be able to get Sheila's Perfume. I have tried to get SP from Hortico for about 4 years...and Wildwood for 1 year. This rose keeps eluding me. (Jen has even offerred to root it for me...her name should be LilyAngel) LOL I may get Jude the Obscure too...

They have Belle Story. I got it last year. What an amazing rose.

Carol, I’m thinking about Jude too. That and Alwick Rose.

I've never had a wrong rose shipped to me from Hortico. I think they've improved over the years. Diane

I agree...but I always say to them that if these particular roses aren't available...I don't want any substitutions.

Bolero is a good rose isn't it? I've read on hmf that it has nodding stems...thoughts?

Hortico has Bolero!!

I've heard people hear talk about Drop Dead Red...Hortico is offering that too. I won't get it though...no fragrance.

I have Bolero in my order with Edmund roses. I’ve heard nothing but great things about this rose and its fragrance. If you are planning to get it from Hortico, I would do it soon as it says that they have minimal quantities of it. Don’t know if that means 20 or 2.

Thanks, Mas!! I'm still perusing...but I'll order soon :)

I talked to Nicole of Hortico and she said they only have 7 Pretty Jessica. She will update more roses by tomorrow.

Oh, even more roses tomorrow. Maybe I'll wait. Hmmm.

Yes, she needs to finish the alphabet. She stopped at the letter T. I’m waiting for the Y for You are beautiful:)

Okay, sigh, Sheila's Perfume is sold out.

I'm getting Just Joanna and Jude the Obscure. :) :) I added Bolero. :)

Mas - I'll check again tomorrow to see!! :)

Those are all great roses! I was also checking out Just Joanna so cant wait to hear how she does for you.

Rosecanadian, I’m on their site right now & it let me put SP in my cart.

When Hortico says ‘limited supply’ they really mean it! Last year I called Nicole the first day she put up Chandos Beauty....there were only 4 plants raised to be saleable, and they sold out in a day! And then I had to wait to if my plants could make it through their cold winter before they could ship them to me in spring.

Carol,

Hope you get that Sheila’s Perfume!

Dingo - I forgot!!! Sheila's Perfume is a floribunda!!! D'oh!!! I'm going to go look in a sec or too. Thank you!!

Mas - I had Just Joanna on order last year, and then (can't remember when) they told me I couldn't get it. So my fingers are crossed.

Ben - Thanks!! :) :) I didn't see Chandos Beauty on their list for this year.

Helen - I'm glad you got Pretty Jessica! I almost got Othello....but I decided to see if my B.C. rose place has some newer HT varities. Crossing my fingers.

I was curious to see if they had Bathsheba or Tottering-by-Gently on their list. Some very nice roses, but THANKFULLY nothing I have to have. I got Pretty Jessica from them a couple of years ago and have really enjoyed it. Arrived as a very tiny plant, but has grown nicely.

-Chris

Carol, Bolero is awesome! You will love it! And definitely Jen should change her name to LilyAngel...thanks to her I now have Belle Story! And it came with a bloom!!!

Bummer, I received a misdirected email (it looked like it was meant for another customer by the greeting) from Nicole that read:

“I wish I had better news.

We are no longer permitted to sell pretty jessica at all.

I will follow up again in spring to see if you are still interested in your order for other varieties.”

I was able to order PJ yesterday morning, so I replied asking if she meant to email me. She confirmed that yes, she meant to email everyone who purchased PJ and let them know and that pretty Jessica will not be available to anyone after all.

Wow . I bet that came from David Austin and the threatened to take away new roses from hortico ( has happened before) , bc they don’t make money on expired patents roses . So shameful.

Agree, Jen, the long and greedy arm of David Austin strikes again, exerting their undue influence long past normal patent period.

i was looking for Belle Story (love the name) and Evelyn, Neither one available..Everything else is pretty much easily available from DA roses They do have ingenious Mr fairchild..hmm. No one has belle story, only available in some nurseries in CA who don't ship..so CA people, waterwise botanicals has Belle Story for 16$.

So, are all of your sure Pretty Jessica is past its patent date (I know I should check)? The internet has a very bad record of disrepecting intellectual property rights. I know this first hand as a former free lance designer, as does my granddaughter, Clare. Diane

I also received the same message saying that they aren't allowed to sell Pretty Jessica. Since the reason I placed an order is to get this rose so I cancelled my whole order. Good thing I told myself ahead of time that nothing is for sure until I see Pretty Jessica's blooms in my garden. I'm now looking forward to receiving the new roses from PalatineRoses. Helen

Diane , hmf says 1983.

111 plisa- where are you from ? Just curious! :)

ben I hate that they do this but love their darn roses . Now I extra hate that star roses thinks they have power over seedlings of their “special “ rose .

@Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca Because of our small gardens, you and I are sometimes "glad" when we couldn't get our roses because we then we don't have to look for place to plant them, lol. Helen

Haha you are so right!! I’m watering my pots right now an really struggling with who should get cut from my collection to make room . If only it rained and water was cheap 😂

That's a shame. So they can't sell PJ because it's out of patent? But it seems like a bunch of the other Austins they're selling are also out of patent.

-Chris

HMF says PJ was bred in England in 1983. There is no patent date mentioned for England or the US. Diane

@Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca I live in Ric, VA. I have a few plants waiting to arrive from DA but they don't have Evelyn(always shows as out of stock). Belle story is not available anywhere, I called a bunch of small nurseries like cool roses, longago roses no one has it..sad to see such a wonderful disappear from commerce.

Augusta Luise has never been patented, but Tantau retains tight control over who can sell this rose, as well as several other of their roses. I'm thinking there may be some copyrights (not the same as a patent) that retain legal standing over some of these roses. A copyright lasts longer than a patent, and can be renewed once. Diane

longago roses has a whole list of discontinued DA's, DA's with expired patents but she does not have Belle Story..sigh http://www.longagoroses.com/Roses-by-Class.html

I was able to get Evelyn by calling and asking kindly if they would look in their inventory for me , they keep a cushion on their inventory.

I need to call and switch my replacement roses from those that were wrong this spring . They are so nice there !

One last thing about copyright (sorry), which we discussed on this forum several years ago. The name Pretty Jessica is most likely copyrighted and is still under copyright. So a dealer cannot sell PJ under its trade name, but must use the patent name, which would be aussomethingorother. But retailers don't want to do this because of the confusion it would cause customers. Austin will go after fairly well known sellers who use the name Pretty Jessica, but they will miss the smaller sellers because David Austin is not some mega corporation, but a family owned business. I suspect that Tantau would be paying a call on Freedom Roses for their sale of Augusta Luise, which they have propagated, if Tantau happens to find out about it. I promise no more copyright posts. Diane

David Austin is like The Dog in the Manger..they dont want to sell the old roses but they dont want anyone else to either, I suppose :/

Will Hortico do its part to keep Canada great by offering AUSjess for sale?

@Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca I will give them a call and will check, Thank you:)

I do not know the situation with Peters roses but he is a test Rose site for many European roses. I do know he has the right to use the correct name and most of the people have to use an O in louise. He does not sell patented roses or those which he does not have the right to sell.

Vapor I have been meaning to email him.. is his Augusta originally from hortico ?

You know, I dont know that. He has many Tantau roses, though. This year was a bad one for AL as they were all frozen out and everyone had to wait until next year for them unless they wanted mutiflora. This was a first for him to bud them onto multiflora. I chose to wait until next year. I know some folks were upset, but that's just the way it is in Z5. I'm not personally in any rush for any rose. I have so many huge cuttings I hope to plant in the Spring. He's really trying to widen his cuttings but sells most at his garden.

Ben - I sent Hortico an email asking to add Sheila's Perfume to my list. Hopefully I'll get it! You are an enabler tres extraordinaire!!!

OurSteelers - yes, folks here have been raving about Bolero for a long time. I'm excited to be getting it!! :) :)

C'est la vie - I guess your name say's it all. That's a shame about Pretty Jessica. You would think David Austin Roses would be proud that people still want their old varieties. Money, money, money.

Lilyfinch - yup, I'm sure you're right. Boooo on them!!