Help z6a North MO choose two roses from Hortico
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Comments (23)oooh, Ingrid, I'll tell DH we have lots of money. He'll be happy. :)) Here's a pic of Rosette Delizy that I just took. Diameter of flowers is about the same as length of leaves - less than 2". You might think this is a heat thing, but they were only a smidge larger in spring. Here's the bush. Quite wide and about 6' tall. Do yours and mine look at all like the same bush?? Location, location, location. Yellow teas here are quite disappointing to me except for Anna Olivier who maintains a huge petal count and diameter even now. She has the same almost white yellow color but is more pleasing to me due to size. Veronica, honestly, I didn't look for the pink wash since I could barely find the flowers, and they were more white than yellow, too. She's thornless and came from RPN so I'm sure she is MDC. Don't know what effect my soil may have on yellow teas. And truly, this summer my roses look pretty good, well leafed and blooming for the most part in the front anyway. Being in the ground, getting fed and watered more must be good things. :)) I'll mark you down as a vote for Alexander Hill Gray. It's good to know he's a good bet here. Too bad about Reubens. I read it's a beautiful rose. WRS's flower size now wouldn't bother me too much because of its shape if it really is like the Cochets. I'll try to be very discreet about what I dig up. It will almost kill me to dig up RD so I would rather not, but I think I would really like Carefree Beauty who really looks like he can put on a show - even though not an antique. Sherry...See MoreAfraid that old roses are disappering from nurseries.
Comments (17)They come and go, like many other garden plant groups. For a long time here garden centers had very few, the same limited assortment year after year. Then there was a vogue for them, and the selection expanded greatly. This has since gone over, which is what is being talked about on this thread. The main force that drives retail nursery sales is what new property owners are buying, and on the whole what this group wants now is plants they don't have to do anything with. Hence the focus by rose breeders on Knockout style types. These also lend themselves to use in commercial settings like gas stations and malls, institutional landscapes where large numbers of them may be planted all together. Purchasing by this market probably has a significant impact on sales. Even in situations where you might think they would have one a mindset that appreciates old garden roses is apparently just not there. At least not anymore. For instance a few years ago I made a point of zeroing in on the rose display at a botanical garden in Florida because it was described as being the biggest one in the area, photographed on their web site so as to make it appear a spectacle. I had hoped to see a representative collection of Noisettes and other Southern specialties, hopefully with comprehensive labeling. Instead it was small and populated mostly by Double Knockout, the other, older cultivars having dwindled down to one or two more or less derelict examples - as though it had been decided to let them all go. The garden also stank of chemicals and was all hot, bare dirt except for the rose bushes. No sign of mulching or other soil quality maintenance, and very few, if any companion plants that I remember. Two much larger public rose displays in my area are also all moderns, with a few old roses stuck off to the side - and not labeled much, if at all. And these little dribbles of them may be the result of them having come into fashion for a time, with them otherwise not being represented in these locations at all....See MoreClimbing roses for a north facing wall
Comments (22)How cool, Mad - thanks for that link! I knew the eclipse would be total here in Nebraska and we were planning to drive to the western part of the state, but it turns out it'll be complete here as well and after school hours no less (starting 4:30 pm). We were going to pull the kids out of school for this but won't have to. Watch for it - August 21, 2017! And yes, that was a rose detour. On the original topic, I have about 50 roses on the north side of my house plus maybe twice that many in part shade in various locations. It's trial and error to see which roses can do well in those conditions, and you'll want to make sure the rose you pick is at least a zone hardier than your actual zone, since I've found the north and east sides of my house are zone 4 pockets where normal zone 5 roses won't survive. That cuts out Penny Lane, since it won't survive my normal zone 5 winters, and makes Madame Alfred Carriere a bit iffy. Mine survives just fine, but it only blooms on surviving cane and that only happens sometimes (and I have mine in a zone 6 pocket of my yard to boot). Furthermore, I only get one bloom cycle from in in the years that it has bloomed, and I've heard the same from some other northern gardeners. In its 7 years, it has probably only bloomed in two of those years. Several of the hybrid musks would do well in that location - even though they're only rated to zone 6 officially the following hybrid musks in cream colors survive fine for me in a normal zone 5 spot: Cornelia, Bouquet Parfait, Ghislaine de Feligonde, Guirlande d'Amour, and the intrepid Darlow's Enigma have survived well. All of these have climbing tendencies (may not cover an arch but will get 6' or more with support), though Darlow's Enigma is not really a climber but a big free-standing bush, both broad and tall. Sally Holmes and Clytemnestra both didn't overwinter a few years ago, but I'm trying again. Buff Beauty would be a nice rose for you and survived several years before fading in a non-ideal spot. No idea which ones are fragrant since I can't smell most roses. Here's a shot of several of the hybrid musks all in bloom - they're a loose cluster of blooms in general rather than single blooms, though Buff Beauty is the closest to a cutting rose among these. Here's Guirlande d'Amour in specific: There are several yellow hardy climbers that have larger blooms that would survive Ok in this location. Golden Celebration really wants more sun among Austins, but I have Teasing Georgia in a mostly shaded situation and it blooms reasonably well. Not that often, but I can get several good flushes in a good year. A more reliable yellow bloomer that would look nice against your house is Lunar Mist. It's related to Colette and is rock solid hardy for me. I have mine towards the east side of my house in part shade and it blooms all season, more or less like this: Among those that I grow, I'd probably suggest Lunar Mist, Buff Beauty, Darlow's Enigman, or Guirlande d'Amour as the most frequent bloomers. Roses Unlimited sells all of these I think, though Buff Beauty is available several places. A lovely spot for a rose and lots of options. Just remember as Mad Gallica says, any rose will bloom less and less often in a partly shaded spot than in full sun, so be sure to temper your expectations of having season-round blooms around your front door. Cynthia...See MoreRoses and dryer vents, asking before planting!
Comments (10)Thanks guys! Sorry, I got busy and didn't check anything over the last couple days. I'll have to check the spot tonight - NHBabs, a nice rock is always nice, and especially better than dead plants! And a rock with a rose in front of it would look great! Rouge, that 'John Cabot' is gorgeous! Seil, that sounds like a good spot for a hydrangea - they like the humidity, and the extra warmth could help keep them from getting so winter killed. I have one on the east side of my house that has never bloomed. I need to dig it up and move it or dump it. Her vent is on the south/southwestern side of the house, so it could be that between the brick house and the dryer vent it's just too hot in the summer for much to grow. Depending on the size of that border, I'm thinking a hardy geranium or other herbacious perennial would work well (no winter foliage to burn, easy to get rid of any lint). Or, I've got some coneflower seedlings she could have! No idea of what color (they're from a Powwow White) yet....See Moreac91z6
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