Growing native plants for wildlife.

Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Year 2 of growing natives from seed. Everone is welcome to join in, everone. We need to try to do what we can to prevent the next man made extinction that's already happening.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Skip, just plant some white mullberries , European Buckthorn, and Asian elm, and you'll have a green wall before you know it LOL. It worked for me. I didn't plant them, the birds did. 🤣😂

I seriously need to girdle them this week. This dark invasive shadow over my yard is NOT cool. Just waiting til it's dry enough to have live wires out.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Scenes from 1 year ago.

Bear Island Prairie

Mimulus ringens

Helenium autumnale, Sneezeweed.

A Monarch on Eupatorium





Oligoneuron rigidum and Solidago

Symphyotrichum ericoides

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Nice pics. That aster ericoides was able to survive amongst tall grass or is it hanging on at the edge?

I think a bunch of the trees he cut down were weedy types like black locust, osage orange, black cherry, Norway maple and white mulberry, so I'm not too broken up about it. He had a professional tree service with 2 trucks, a tracked skid steer, and a big stump grinder. A Chamaecyparis thyoides would be kinda nice but the deer would probably be trying to eat the whole thing while I was planting it.

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dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)

Skip-your neighbor didn't do you any favors and I bet he regrets it now because his view now consists of looking straight at the back of your house. Paint it an ugly chartreuse color just for good measure. Or find an old yellow bus and park it in your back yard.

You need some immediate plantings back there. I've found Elderberry to fill in very fast, like in five years time. Until taller species get going. I've gotten two feet per year from Balsam Fir and Ohio Buckeye, providing they get watered. Any of the Prunus types will take off too. like Black Cherry, Pin Cherry, Choke Cherry. Maybe some Salix or Populous too. Dig up some Sumac out in the country, I've found they transplant easily and colonize like crazy.

And if you're feeling especially mean spirited, put some American Plum right up against the border. He will be forever wondering why all those messy trees keep popping up in his yard, right next to the pool!

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Aralia spinosa would sucker and help form a screen. The leaves and flowers are cool too. Deer love it tho. At least you're separated from your neighbors by a good distance.

Thermopsis caroliniana

Verbesina virginica, popular with the pollinators.

2 flies, a beetle and a bumblebee. I wonder if I'll get to see the ice form on the lower stems this winter?

Cunila origanoides. I like the deep red stems, which don't show up well in this picture.


Asclepias subverticillata. I hope the weather holds out, so all the milkweed seedpods will fully mature. Especially the texena and the pulchra. This milkweed does best in the desert southwest, so it went nuts, and bloomed like crazy the 1st year from seed, thanks to the hot, dry summer here, this year.

Lespedeza violacea. It stays in a neet shape, unlike Desmodium.

Chelone obliqua. A critter broke off one main branch, but it still manages to bloom. This chelone is supposed to be a more agressive species, which is what I wanted, because they haven't done well for me so far. The glabra anyways. My lyonii seeds didn't germinate.

Prunella vulgaris. This plant is supposed to be good for the health. I might collect and dry some of their leaves for tea.

Senna obtusifolia and Asclepias curassavica. I think wasps are pollinating most of the milkweeds. I don't see any Honeyvine pods forming, but there were wasps on the flowers.

I finally have Ironweed.

It looks like most of the rain is now heading more north to Minnesota and Wisconsin.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Skip, hope you come up with something fast growing to block the view of the neighbor’s pool. Unless it looks like something from this tv show. Pool masters maybe?

Jay, great pictures. My turtle head has been blooming for the past two weeks, iron weeds are also blooming. Frostweed is still not anywhere near. Weird how the bloom times for some plants are so similar to yours and others so different. Hornet raided a wasp net today. Was the one I got the bad sting from. So not sad about that. Just 3 or so wasps have returned so far. Not looking too closely, they are probably ticked off.

Some other pictures from today. Schweinitzii is starting to bloom. Not showy, but glad they are doing well (still caged)

and yes, morning glories of all kinds still everywhere. Even on the mountain mint.

Edited to add the milkweed vine. Starting to put on a show.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

That's a nice milkweed vine. It has more showy flowers than the Honey-vine. Aren't most of those pool makeovers done in like a tropical Caribbean style? I sure wouldn't want to have to look at that. Cruise ship mindset.

Bear Island prairie restoration

Unknown grass.

I found a good link to help me with my grass IDs.


https://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/grasses/grass_index.htm

Helenium autumnale

Oenothera biennis

Solidago

aster

Liatris aspera?




Scrophularia

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Can you believe there's still a Lobelia species out there that is known to science, but still doesn't have a name?

https://www.facebook.com/1114901586/posts/10224399386708308/

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Awesome pics guys. My yard looks like a mess but there are some random things blooming. The volunteer late boneset is doing really well and the little butterflies, skippers and various bees are all over it. Liatris scariosa is a fav

A lot of aster buds are still developing looks like they will blooming into october.

The dark soil is where I dug out the concrete slab, and then got a topsoil delivery to fill it in, need to level it a little more. The green grass in the background is mostly stilt grass and violets. I'll mow that on the lowest setting before running it over with the slice seeder to get more perennial grass in there. Next year is going to rock when all the perennials that are invisible right now reach full size.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Did you buy a Liatris scariosa plant? I just have seedlings of it.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I bought one last year from the preserve in PA, I have a bunch of var. nieuwlandii seedlings too.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

It's a nice full looking plant. It just rained some more. One extreme to the other. You should have more of a real prairie next year.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Boltonia decurrens

Its been laying over since the tropical storm, and probably doesnt get as much sun as it wants, and the soil is nice.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Jay, we have a few meadowlarks at the end of our property. They sound so nice! Skip, this is looking beautiful. Flopped over or not. Must be popular with the little bees.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Are those 1st year Boltonia Skip? One of my seedlings has a flower bud forming. I took a ride to the sand prairie today. I need to back again for a whole day.

Polygala sanguinea is still blooming, but hidden under taller plants.

A Gentian, not sure which species.


Sium sauve. I tried winter sowing it twice with no luck. Maybe I'll come back and collect some fresh seed. It was very muddy there, and probably flooded frequently. I wonder if I can pull off growing it with extra watering?

Agalinis.

Cirsium discolor

Swamp Sunflower, Helianthus angustifolius

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Yeah those are first year plants. There is some first year Doellingeria in there that hasnt grown much at all. I might sow more of those. That looks like a nice trip, I would be looking around all day at a place like that.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I think I had 2 Doellingeria plants, that I planted. Mine are a lot smaller than my Boltonia too. There are at least 4 other prairies on the road where the dunes are. I haven't seen them all yet.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Wow, can’t believe the swamp sunflowers are already blooming up there! I finally did get some rain this morning. Variegated Fritilary emerged in this weather. White siding and this messy business do not go well together :)

and the chrysalis before it did.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I'm glad you got some rain Iris. I never saw even 1 butterfly crysalis all year.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

That’s really sad with all the plants you have for them. Other than Monarch and Gulf Fritilary, I am not seeing that many. But I have been seeing a lot of fully grown cats. So who knows where they wander of to.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

The sun was out today, after 5 days of darkness. I've been hearing a lot about this Kankakee Sands. There's another 'Kankakee Sands' in Braidwood. It's over an hour drive into Indiana, but I want to see it soon.




https://www.nature.org/en-us/get-involved/how-to-help/places-we-protect/kankakee-sands/

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Really nice! Went out with my daughter earlier. Just a quick look around the yard. These are her pictures, I just held the light and slapped at mosquitos. It’s almost slug caterpillar time here. Fun to see what is glowing in the dark.

No way I would see them during the day just walking around.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

That's amazing Iris.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Kind of fun. Might go out again tonight to see if I can figure out what’s eating the hibiscus. Usually it’s sawfly larvae, but it looks more like caterpillar damage. This is really some hurricane season. They might run out of names. Forecast is for 5 to 7 inches from Sally here. You can tell fall is on the way, I am constantly running head first into spiderwebs. And Tussock moth caterpillars of all kinds on the trees. Never seen this green one before. Need to google.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I finally attacked the weed trees in the easement behind my backyard fence. I cut off all the small and medium branches, and girdled the rest. Still a lot of branch cutting to do, and I want to come back with a chainsaw and cut what's left down to ground level. This will give me a lot more planting space. My neighbors just let the weeds take over behind their fence. I was thinking of planting a bunch of pollinator and host plants in both easements.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Good stuff Jay. I did a little more site prep for seeding today, just mowing down dead grass and annual grasses. Feels good replacing weeds. Took a walk earlier too



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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Great job, Jay! What kind of butterfly is this, Skip? So cute!

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I didn't think butterflies could get any nectar from those tight flowers.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I was hoping you could tell me, Iris, so I put it on iNaturalist and it is suggesting small copper or bronze copper butterfly.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Whipping out my book, the small copper matches perfectly. Really beautiful. Not that I would find it down here.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I was pulling out m

Morning Glories and liked the way this small, white flowered plant looked with the blue Dayflower. I just found out it's native here. Iplmoea lacunosa.

My Wild 4 o-clocks aren't very showy. Nothing seems to be eating them. I read they were originally brought to my area from further west, so I don't think I'll grow them next year.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

What a coincidence. I was ripping/ snipping on a white morning glory that looked like that today. It was covering all kinds of plants. Slow going, had to look for, and relocate, all kinds of critters. A bunch of sawfly larvae, this fuzzy one

and even a little Monarch cat. Not sure what he was doing on morning glory. Guess just thinking about life.


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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I cant be helped, I ordered a couple of Gentiana saponaria from Woodthrush, hopefully they show up flowering or post-flowering loaded with seeds. https://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/prairie/plantx/soap_gentianx.htm Although its rare in NJ, this one has a more southern and eastern distribution.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Ha ha, Skip. Can’t blame you. I was browsing, too. Didn’t order anything yet though. The latest victim of my husband’s mowing was the little steeplebush I just planted this Spring. He said he hit the brakes, but the mowing blades just kind of slipped right over it.....Between the mowing and the weed whacking, he owes me some plants. It was cooler today and rain from Sally on the way, so it feels like plant ordering time.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Somebody on a Facebook group showed Polygonella americana. How pretty. But looks like another impossible thing to find.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

That is a cool looking one. I have been hearing some good things lately on podcasts, regarding Botanical gardens, conservation organizations, and government agencies finally trying to coordinate with horticulture nurseries and educate the public on a larger level. Basically the Bureau of Land Management has seed banks, the botanical gardens have seed banks, and they're trying to get the genetics to the retail and wholesale growers, and educate consumers, landscapers and retailers about why they should grow native plants. Some of the big growers only see the economics of it and only want to grow stuff that is easy and fast to propagate under one set of conditions, but hopefully some of the nurseries take up the cause. I also noticed Doug Tallamy spoke at a large nursery conference in NJ recently, which is huge because it takes his message beyond preaching to the choir.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Missouri Wildflowers has Polygonella americana plants.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

I will need to check!

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Well, I did get to the website, but now it is stuck. Going to try again tomorrow. It’ already started to rain a bit from Sally, going to last until Friday. My area should get around 5 inches. After that a cold front moving through. Still egg laying going on with the butterflies. I was hoping the 3 Monarchs in chrysalises on my house wall would emerge today to get out of here before this weather. No such luck. But some nice, fresh looking ones around.

and really fuzzy ones.

Edited to say that it finally worked, more plants ordered :)

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

The weather is cold now. Getting into the low 40s. I hope all my milkweed seedpods can ripen in time. I saw a couple little butterflies today. A blue and a Crescent, I think.

I pulled this Datura out, and it grew back, so I left it. There's also a vollunteer dill and the Asclepias fascicularis.

This is the 1st time I've had Sicklepod that bloomed. Yesterday it really dawned in me why it's called Sicklepod. Now I want to buy a real sickle of the same shape, and go hack nixious invasives So fitting for these times.

Lobelia siphilitica

Asclepias texana. There are a couple small seedpods forming. I hope they will ripen. I didn't think I'd find seeds for this, but a door opened.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Tell me about cold weather. Did get a bit more than 3 inches yesterday, the low here for Monday will be 44. That’s just wrong. Seems like things are just getting started. I was very exited to finally see a saddlebag caterpillar today. Wanted to see one in person for years.

Annual termite inspection today. As much as I love all things crawling, I do need the house to keep standing :) They always seem surprised I don’t let them spray all around the house and knock down all wasp nests. Since it would be free with the inspection.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

We won't be getting rain for another week, so back to daily watering. I hear that in the south the insurance makes everyone get termite prevention. The Asian Elm is still alive and well after girdling, so I'm going to use the chain saw on it next. It's tall, so I'll wait until I clean up and remove the mulberry and buckthorn branches, before I chop it down. I'd love to cut a few of the neighbors trees that block the sun.

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dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)

You have such amazing bugs Iris. There's nothing like that saddlebag of your up here.

Some pics.

Monarch in migration on the L ligulistylis

Correopsis tripterris

Viburnum triloba. Started from seed six years ago.

Birch sapling, maybe River Birch but am not so sure yet as it's not native here.

Sorbus, Mountain Ash. Decorative but not an ash

Prenanthes

R fulgida

Aralia racemosa berries

Echinacea "Cheyenne Spirit" Long blooming. Will collect seeds

Cardinal Flower



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dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)

Rudbeckia triloba. Reseeds everywhere but easy to manage

Rudbeckia subtomatosa, has a subtle aroma

Mianthemum racemosa berries

Horse Gentian, berries not fully developed yet

Baptesia alba pods

Echinacea

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Nice pics Dandy. Maybe save some Triosteum and Astragalus seeds.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Nice plants, that Prenanthes is interesting.

Lespedeza violacea

Do you like how dead the lawn is? Im going to plant a bunch of left over little bluestem and purple love grass plugs along the bed edge then sprinkle Monarda punctata seeds. I have some Anaphlis margaritacea plugs that could go in there too.

Helianthus maximiliani

Here is my the coneflower cultivar 'Prairie Splendor Rose Compact' by Syngenta, the multinational big AG biotech company. I told my daughter she could pick them but the stems are actually really stout. That pic is from last week I think, and here's today, still blooming pretty well:

I'll plant more and make this look nicer at some point.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Nice job Skip, especially with the grass. Everything is looking good. My purple top grass has just started blooming. I had forgotten where I planted it. LOL How did your Pipevines do this year? Have they climbed the fence? If you need any bulk amounts of native seeds, let me know.


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dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)

Jay-I don't know that I have Astragalus. I used to at my former place but was not really impressed by it, so it's not on my want list My Horse Gentian seed planted outside last fall didn't germinate. Hopefully next year.

Skip-the Anaphalis will do really well in your short grass, dry setting and spreads easily by runners. I transplanted some about 6 weeks ago and they took hold easily.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I meant to say Baptisia, not Astragalus. I did plant some Anaphalis and Pseudognaphalium seedlings. Some of them have separate male and female plants, so I should have both. Dandy, do deer eat any of your native plants?

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Wow, you all have some great looking plants. And they all seem to behave so orderly. I have a jungle out there. I especially like the Prenanthes. Have to look into that. It just got up to 68 degrees today. Poor Monarch didn’t eclose until about 10:15 and didn’t fly until 3:15. Beautiful girl though.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Hey Iris, how did your Cowpen Daisies do with the pollinators? I think there are more Verbesina native to South Carolina like V. walteri.

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dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)

Yes-of course the deer come around here. This is deer hunters paradise in November. Skip-that barren like area will be a jungle in a few more years. If you provide the nurture, the plants will do the rest.

I'll save those seeds for you Jay, and will have to collect the Prenanthes late in Nov or Dec.

Funny. Only a few months ago I made the statement on the forum "who would want an ugly looking thing like Prenanthes" LOL. It actually does look kinda nice this year, all blooms and no foliage. But the colors are blah, sort of pink and grey, something you'd wear at a funeral.

I had some Pseudognaphalium growing wild here two years ago, and was so not impressed. I saved seed and they germinated great, but did not survive the transplant for some reason. They are only annuals so maybe the best thing is to just scatter the seeds.

Iris-love your cite little newborn. You must keep a log of every bug on your property. If I had any hatchlings this year, I wan't aware of it.


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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

It looks like a healthy monarch. Summer left here abruptly, from days near 90 to highs in the 60s, and I think it got into the 40s last night. Some warmth will return midweek.

My pipevine didnt grow much at all but I also didn't give it any attention. I mulched them and then ignored them. Hopefully they grew a lot of roots.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Dandy, what species of Nabalus/Prenanthes are you referring to? There are 4 species native there. I like the racemosa a lot. The Pseudognaphalium is a biennial. Mine are just rosettes this year, and next year they should bloom. Guess I should start a few more. I know they aren't showy, but they are for the wildlife. I also have Anaphalis margaritacea and seeds for the weedy purple cudweed, Gamochaeta purpurea.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Locust borer on Cornus florida

this thing on canada goldenrod

Aster cordifolius or divaricatus I dont remember which, self seeded

Lonicera sempervirens berries


Penstemon digitalis growing in a crack in my front step

Baptisia australis in a different crack

This is why I planted these, so that the weeds are not just stuff like asian bittersweet and mugwort

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Dandy, the only thing I write down is usually the date I see the first Monarch eggs. I should keep a log, so I don’t have to constantly search through my pictures to figure out what is supposed to be here when.

Skip, never have seen a Locust borer. Probably really bad news, but looking really cool. I must have pulled miles of Canada goldenrod roots over the winter, don’t think it made a dent in it. Thought your wasp was some sort of a potter wasp. Seek app says it’s Isodontia mexicana. It’s still colder than it’s supposed to be. And windy. How can you tell when the seeds on the mint are ready?

Easier to tell with chestnuts



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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I have an aster similar to yours. Skip, and it seeds everywhere. I end up pulling a lot of them. The Elephantopus will probably be growing in cracks soon too. It would be nice to have a mature chestnut tree some day. I love their leaves. And then that moth that eats them. I like this goldenrod , Solidago sphacelata, Golden Fleece.



Datura metel. I pulled it out, and it grew back.


Helianthus anuum, wild form. I thought these were another perennial Helianthus species. I need to replace these with real Florida perennials.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

That datura looks so healthy too lol.

Iris, I just stick the flower head into a paper bag and shake it, or sometime I'll cut the whole head off. The seed fall out readily when they're ready. That one looks like it might be ready. The locust borers aren't a concern to me. Id rather grow different trees anyway so if that one wants to help me get rid of them it is welcome.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

I will check on these seeds before the next rain since they will be coming your way :)

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Wow, it’s so quiet here! I hear crickets. Well, literally one that must have gotten into the house :) . Cool and drizzly here. Heavier rain to come. Moved a Monarch to a more sheltered location after he was still here at 6:30. Looked perfect, but I guess too cold.

Meanwhile everything does look like a jungle, but the Frostweed is finally ready to start blooming soon.

Have this one around my brush pile. Seek says sweet everlasting.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I have those Sweet Everlastings, but they are small. I'd like to find seeds for this grass. It's native in our zones. There's a southern species that's even crazier looking.

Aristida tuberculosa, MN., NJ, SC., IL.

The southern species.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Prairies

Symphyotrichum ericoides










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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Sweet everlasting smells really nice in big groups and deer dont eat them. The jungle looks good!

Jay which prairie is that? Looks nice

Not doing much botanizing lately. I finally got the grass seed planted 2 days ago, now I have to set up some sprinklers because its been the dryest month of the year. I raked out the planting area for the seed mix, now I need to wait a few weeks for the weed seeds to sprouts so I can kill them and get rid of some of that soil seed bank, then my mix can go in. I should get to do some planting of plugs this weekend.

I read a couple E.O. Wilson books (or rather, listened on audiobook), since Doug Tallamy mentions him frequently. On Human Nature, and Half Earth. Both seemed pretty good but apparently his writing about evolution is pretty contentious, even among evolutionary scientists, so that brought me down the rabbit hole of that debate, where I've been the last few days.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Wow, that's some deep stuff. The 1st 7 photos are Lockport Prairie and the last 3 are Bear Island Prairie. You should have some nice plantings after sterilizing the soil.

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dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)

Jay-some New England aster there it seems.

I collected seed from the White Baptesia today. things are winding down here. Saw one Monarch today, maybe the last of the season. Sure hope it can get to Mexico in time. I moved some Goat's Beard out to the roadside garden today. I had to saw down two Balsam Fir that were close to ten feet tall now, but need the garden space. Got rid of some Chokeberry that was languishing in there also. Will get some Thermopsis in there next.

Leaf color past the 50% mark already. My Blueberry cultivars are a brilliant red now, as are some of the Viburnum triloba I started from seed. And I found some surprise Rudbeckia subtomentosa have started to colonize a new area that I cleared the Ironwood trees off a year ago. So I plan to collect a lot more wildflower seed to scatter in there this fall. I think I have Grouse starting to inhabit my gardens now as there are lots of berries for them everywhere. Those that the Catbirds didn't get earlier on anyway.





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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I did some seed collecting at my place today too. Time to start putting mountain mints in the neighbors weed hedge. I also planted a Thermopsis I had winter sown. I was going to plant more but the soil is so dry and droughty I thought it would be easier after it rains later this week. Some trees and leaves are turning. Id love to see grouse or quail around here but theres not enough continuous open space

NY Aster

Stiff leaved aster

Volunteer asters

Fields of goldenrod at the park

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

I have to read up on the posts, but have to say real quick that the field of goldenrod is just stunning.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Here are a couple more


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

The garden.

Palafoxia callosa, native up to Missouri.

Boltonia decurrens. I like the larger flowers

Symphyotrichum laeve and a wood aster.

Salvia azurea. The camera doesn't do justice to the blue color.


Angelica keiskei. I thought it was a biennial, but it's perennial. Ashitaba- 'Tomorrow's Leaf '.


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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Beautiful pictures! Driving to the store, the goldenrod is just left in the ditches. Most fields are mowed now. Jay, did the hornworms not eat your datura? The weather continues to be unusual. Should get rain and another cold front. Poor butterflies are cold in the mornings.


Saw a cute, new to me moth on the heath aster today. Looked it up, and the host plants are things like smooth aster. Another case of plant it and they will come.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

It rained last night, and today. It was in the low sixties. I had pulled all the Datura out, and it grew back. I decided to leave it for any hornworms, but none showed up. Do they really need to mow all the fields? They would have a huge impact if they were allowed to grow.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

I don’t see a real reason to mow them. These are the fields that are left between the new subdivisions popping up. The cattle that was on there is long gone and they are not using it for hay. Maybe they want to keep it somewhat manageable to sell it for even more houses. Who knows? Things are not planned well in that directions. Glad I am in my little corner where lots can not be divided to be under 5 acres. But getting from the secondary road I go on first to the main road takes at times forever. So far we still have a stop sign. Could use a traffic light by now.

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Floyd Griffith

Liatris tenuifolia. Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Beautiful picture and a really cool looking plant. Need to look it up. One of my Schweinitzii is doing really well. The other two have been eaten more.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

That's a nice sunflower. Do you grow Bluecurls. There are a couple that are native here. I only recently discovered them.

Trichostema setaceum, Narrowleaf Bluecurls

Trichostema dichotomum, Forked bluecurls

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Nice pics last couple days. Thats a strong sunflower. I recently saw a post about bluecurls, theyre an annual right? Seem to occur along waterways around here.

NY Asters are getting better

The little neglected New England aster seedling gathered enough energy to flower too.


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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Never heard of Bluecurls, but that’s why I am here :) Always learning something new. Skip, Aster time is here, too. Some, like the Georgia Aster are just having some buds. Climbing Aster is going to take more time. Temperature today was 20 degrees lower than yesterday, had a little bit of rain. Nice sky looking over the backyard tonight though.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I went to the island prairie to collect some Erechites hieracifolius seeds another person who likes growing 'weeds'. They are in England so I guess burnweed is rare and special over there. I got some nice aster shots. Your asters look beautiful Skip. Nice sunset Iris.

Erechtites hieraciifolia. Do you know if the flower buds ever open, or just open to release seeds? I like this plant about as much as Lactuca.










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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Really nice pictures. I love the colors. Is it cold yet? Should get down to 44 as a low Saturday. Way below normal. It was really nice today. No rain expected for at least 10 days.


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It's supposed to get down in the lower 30s here. It rained today.

Lespedeza violacea. It doesn't photograph well. It's a nice little shrub.

Aronia melanocarpa

Zinnia for the butterflies and hummingbirds. I grew Salvia hispanica, and they still haven't bloomed, and probably won't have time to bloom. What a waste of time and space.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Great pics thanks for sharing. Not too cold here yet but I see the middle of the country and southeast are getting a cold snap. Got my gentians in the mail today and planted them; no flowers yet, young plants.

Stiff aster blooming more


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

What kind of Gentians Skip? I had some germinate, but they have stayed microscopic.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Gentiana saponaria

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Sugar Creek Preserve

An oak at Sugar Creek Preserve. I stopped to collect acorns, but there were none.

Symphyotrichum novae-anglae

Hieracium?


Arnoglossum

Asters

Arnoglossum

Symphyotrichum ericoides

Symphyotrichum ericoides

The path

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More of Sugar Creek Preserve and then, on to Braidwood Dunes and Savanna

Silphium terebinthinaceum

A dried up pond. The only spot where Amorpha fruticosa grows here.


Baptisia

Solidago


Braidwood Dunes and Savanna

Gestalt featuring Euthamia caroliniana

Opuntia humifusa

Pseudognaphalium obtusifolium

A moist area that floods often, and hosts rushes, buttonbush, and Sium sauve.

I'm going to start a new thread, for those people with annoying devices.😆

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Braidwood Dunes and Savanna

Ilex verticillata

Sium sauve

Cephalanthus occidentalis



Eriophorum species of mop head sage



Maybe Brickellia eupatorioides not yet in full bloom?

Eupatorium altissimum? This looks different from the Brickellia? plant. U don't think it's Eupatorium serotinum either, but they can be confusing.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

You have many kinds of people on facebook. There are the insect people, lizard people, birders, butterfly people, and of course the native plant people. This is my go to insect person.

https://www.facebook.com/100005152212996/posts/1651396215042103/

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There are about 14 species of Ageratina in North America. Only one other species occurs in the Eastern US. Ageratina aromatica, Lesser Snakeroot.

Ageratina aromatica

Ageratina aromatica

Ageratina aromatica



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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Cool never noticed that Ageratina. That Eupatorium looks like altissimum to me, the floral habit of serotina is a little more like a dome. Thanks for sharing

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Wow, I didn't know that about the flowers. I thought they all had almost identical flowers. I'm really sick of the regular white snakeroot. It's taking over my new shade bed. It's almost as if someone scattered a bunch of seeds, but I would never. I was pulling out all the first year plants that are already blooming, and there's another whole army of smaller ones coming up. I scattered figwort seeds in there too, and don't want to accidentally pull any of those out with them.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Nice pictures, Jay! I need to move plants around. Lots of bee balm and narrow leaf mountain mints popping up all over. And a bunch of these asters that showed up by themselves a few years ago.


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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Its a ghost town in here. The NOAA website says we are more than 75% below average for rain fall over the last 30 days. Of course right while Im trying to start grass from seed and sprout the weed seed bank.

Anyway, sort of cool discovery at home today. I saw a woody plant coming up by my baptisia so figured it was another squirrel-planted walnut tree but when I pulled it out I realized it is winged sumac Rhus copallinum. I replanted it in my backyard.



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javiwa

OK, Skip, here you go: whether squirrel planted or otherwise, any idea what this is that popped up in my bed? I can't seem to get a definitive answer (though Iris and someone else said ash). Am ready to yank any minute unless I'm convinced otherwise. :)





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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Ha ha, don’t hold me to it. I don’t know much about trees. Hope Skip knows. Nice find, Skip! Every time I see a little tree looking similar, it turns out to be tree of heaven. Hope you will get some rain, we are in for the remnants of Delta this weekend. Didn’t have rain for the past 10 or so days, but with it being cooler, the watering wasn’t bad. Things are growing wild here, didn’t even notice the Lily blooming until today.

on the other hand, my lady’s tresses is taking forever.


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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Yeah Javi, I could go with ash. Iris looking nice, didn't know you grew ladys tresses, mine are half heartedly blooming too.

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That's three for ash: out it goes. Really pretty specimen, but definitely no space in this bed for an ash tree. Thanks, all!

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

The colors are nice at this field behind a public county park golf course with the purple love grass, broomsedge, little bluestem and Anaphalis margaritacea. Too bad the bright green stuff is invasive Lespedeza cuneata and the dark green stuff is invasive Artemisia vulgaris.


A nice goldenrod

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Nice pictures! Looks like Fall! Any idea what kind of goldenrod this is? Got a good 2 inches of rain since yesterday. Fascinated by the fungi showing up. Tiny, but really interesting.


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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

The fungi grow fast. I think its Solidago puberula, Im gonna go back for seeds in a week or two.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

That's a nice goldenrod Skip. Can you collect a few seeds for me? I'm still trying to germinate flexicaulis. I found another nice species. Are you getting hammered by Delta?

Solidago sphacelata

Reminds me of Solidago rugosa 'Fireworks', but better.

Solidago sphacelata

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Sure thing. I can send you a flexicaulis plug or 3 too. I collected seeds off Hypericum hypercoides too. Did you see Solidago sphacelata in the wild or is that a garden picture? Not raining yet but 1.75" to 3" in the forecast.

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It's a Google picture. A friend on Facebook had a picture of his spacelata plant and was offering a free beer to whoever could ID it. Somebody did. I really like the Hypericum hypericoides too. I'm looking for Brickellia eupatorioides seeds. I've been confusing it with Eupatorium species.

McKinley Woods

I and M Canal

A nice goldenrod. Am going to collect seeds.

Smilax

Kankakee Sands Preserve. A bobcat was caught on night vision cameras here recently. I've never seen any.

A low spot that probably floods, but dry now.

Iris, what kind of yellow lilies are those?



1 more wreath-like goldenrod, Solidago caesia. Been trying to grow this too.


The golden aster Chrysopsis mariana isn't native to Illinois. I could grow Heterotheca villosa instead. Heterotheca, Chrysopsis, and Pityopsis, ect, are all similar plants and have shared the same genus names over time.

Heterotheca villosa. There are a couple other Heterotheca species native to Illinois, but villosa is my favorite.

Illinois has it's own version of globe mallows. It's also endangered.

Malvastrum hispidum, Rough False Mallow, Hispid False Mallow, Synonyms- Malvastrum angustum, (BONAP), Sidopsis hispida, Sida.

Malvastrum hispidum

This plant is endangered. It's watched over by Plants of Consern. I have a general idea where they might be, after looking at i.nat.


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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

These are great pictures, Jay! The yellow lily is the Texas Craig’s Lily. Walking the dogs, the empty lot behind mine has this purple grass. Not sure if it is good news, but it has the effect of a water color painting. Really nice. Sorry about the pictures, it was still foggy when I walked the dogs, and they wanted to keep going.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I googled Texas Craig's Lily and nothing came up. I wonder what species it is? I don't know what the purple grass is. Your lawn looks nice.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Sorry. Texas Craglily. Fingers crossed spellcheck doesn’t change it.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Ok thanks. The other one came up as a woman named Lily in Craigslist. LOL

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

My standard guess for purple grass is a Muhlenbergia species or Eragrostis spectabilis

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

You joined the right ID group Skip. It's where the geniuses hang out. I've been banned from it 3 times. Very strict rules they have.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

How did you get banned? I didn't even read the rules. The guy that responded to me works for LWeaner Landscape Associates, Larry Weaner wrote the book garden Revolution. His company manages like hundred acre meadows on public land and private estates.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

The rules are no commenting after the plant is ID'd. If someone gives a common name you can still give the scientific name. It was made to avoid a long string of mostly dumb repetitive comments. You give the ID, and it's the OP's responsibility to google it and learn more. Even if the plant is deadly poisonous, you aren't supposed to mention it. I think I forgot and commented a couple times and got banned, and another time I didn't see that another person ID'd a plant, so I was banned for IDing it twice. I went looking for Brickellia eupatorioides seeds, and I noticed some baby Cicuta bulbifera plants are still surviving in the cattails. The larger plants were crowded out and disappeared. Do you come across any Cirsium altissimum? It's rare around here, but discolor is common.

Cicuta bulbifera


You can comment after the ID, if it's your post.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Never noticed Circuta around here. Circium altissimum is listed as extirpated in NJ. I was getting my fingers stabbed up trying to check Circium discolor for seeds today.

I was talking to Ethan about seeding before. I told him it was so dry prior to 2 days ago that almost none of the weed seed bank germinated in my planting area. He said wait until spring to seed. Sow winter wheat or winter rye now if I want to prevent soil loss, kill off the weeds and cover crop in the spring, then sow the meadow seeds. So now I am considering starting a bunch of the species, especially the recalcitrant ones like phlox maculata and polygonatum biflorum in trays/containers, then transplanting to the seeded area later next year.

I have to screw around with some soil mixing again to see if I can come up with a usuable soil mix and clear out all this pine bark and stuff I have in my shed.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Wow, you crossed paths with that dude just in the nick of time.. That's sounds like an awesome idea of sowing a cover crop. I have a big unopened bag of pro mix. I think I got it at the hydroponics store, when I was getting a heating map. I have more than enough, because I'm not winter sowing anymore than 20 species.😬🤤😂😈

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Wow, that sounds like a really strict group. Jay, only 20? We will see about that. Another gloomy kind of day here. I think I will need the whole family digging this Winter to relocate the swamp sunflowers. Wish I would have known better at that time to believe the 3 to 5 feet plant tag. In the area right in front of the house they are getting taller every year it seems. The Monarchs coming through are enjoying their high perches, but I still need to find the house!


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The swamp sunflowers up here have already gone to seed. I really want to keep the number of seeds sown around 20. When I try sowing 150 or more species I just shoot myself in the foot. Somebody in Louisiana has swanp sunflowers with red colors. I've never seen that before. It's been windy and chilly.

Helianthus angustifolia. Probably wouldn't be as big of a hit as the 'Burning Hearts' Heliopsis, because of their height and spread.



Thorns that maybe evolved to repel megafauna?






I don't know what this is. I was thinking a bittersweet, but what about the thorn? Sure acts like a vine.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Cool pics. I saw pics of swamp sunflower glowing bright yellow but mine is more orange. The flowers on it are also spent now. Looks like the vine is wrapped around that thorny stem, unless the vine is climbing itself. I can ID OBS pretty easy in person now but I can't get a sense of the leaf look and size from the picture.


I took this picture yesterday

I chose this scene because the tree in the middle is a red maple. You dont see red maple in dry fields or with grassland around them much because they're not fire tolerant. People say they suck up too much moisture with the aggressive roots, but here is proof it can work. This type of plant community is what Im going to have to work with in my yard with all the silver maples. Mowing and spot treatment can maintain the grassland look.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

When the tornado hit the trees most damaged were Silver Maples. I think locust came in 2nd. Oriental bittersweet doesn't have thorns right? The trees with massive thorns had leaves like hawthorn? Do hawthorn get those trunk thorns. At 1st I thought Zanthoxylum.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Im not too familiar with hawthorne and they are pretty hard to ID from what I understand. Could it be osage orange?

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I just looked at pics of Osage and they have wicked thorns too. The trees had a few leaves still attached near their tops, and the leaves were definitely hawthorn, and I think I would notice Osage oranges if they were on the ground, along that path. I thought about collecting seeds of Dichanthelium clandestine, but couldn't see any on the plants. Maybe they bloom and seed earlier?earlier?


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/science/plants-extinction-north-america.html

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

The deer tongue blooms twice, the spring bloom has visible seeds that stick out from the sheath, the fall bloom is smaller and the seeds are held within the sheath. I tried to harvest seeds off mine this year in the spring but I was too early, then too late in the spring when I went back.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Yeah, but can't you harvest the second crop of seeds? That species is a host plant for a bunch of insects. I don't think I'm going to get all my seedlings in the ground by winter. Maybe if I cover them or something.











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I can look. For ease of collection I was trying to get the spring seeds. I have to go on a planting spree this weekend because I have way too many plants and seedlings hanging around too. Not sure what to do with some of the tiny ones that haven't done anything all year, plant the whole pot of seedlings I guess. Nice scenery

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I put this on the plant ID group. I was thinking it was all 1 vine, but Ethan said the wider stem with the thorn was Crataegus, and the other is Celastrus orbiculatus. It makes sense, and it was near the other hawthorns. I'm going to go back to verify it. I think the vine wrapped around the hawthorn seedling and held it tight against the tree, making me think it was vine too. You agree the vine is oriental bittersweet? I keep seeing it, tho supposedly it's rare in Illinois.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

It looks similar although OBS leaves are usually a little shiny. Bittersweet should have fruit on it this time of year. If you go back take more pics

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Get on the map! https://homegrownnationalpark.net/ this is Doug Tallamy's official site for creating an online map of native plant gardens and promoting their planting.

Heres some homegrown I planted today, I think Penstemon calycosus

I planted like 65 plants. The part shade garden should be kinda nice next year. Still have more to plant.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

That’s a healthy looking plant! 65? Wow. I did plant some around the pond where my husband ripped out a lot of stuff (including poison ivy), but it was very slow going with all the tree roots there.

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Nice planting job Skip. The weather has been bad here the past 2 days. All of today has been rainy. I went back to the oriental bittersweet and there were no fruits, but it looked like a young vine. The stem with the thorn was a branch from the tree. That was the only OB that I've seen in the woods. I see them along the canal tho.



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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I did a recount of what I planted yesterday and it was actually closer to 90. That "pro plugger" tool makes it a little easier though.

Thats a useful fern graphic thanks for sharing.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Ha! Rub it in! 90! Thankfully it didn’t get as cold as they said it would last night. Main colors in my yard now are purple, yellow and white. Georgia asters are doing really well.

Didn’t plan on this aster/ mist flower combination. But I really like it.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

A fb friend is the plant illustrator who drew the ferns. She's in the INPS, and she did the illustrations for my big Flora of the Chicago Area. 90 is a lot of plants. Can't wait to see the results next year. The flowers look nice, especially the Georgia asters. I wonder if they would overwinter up here?

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

That looks really nice Iris. I did all that planting and still might not have anything like that haha.

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I still have Gaillardia aristata, and Penstemon smallii flowers, and they've been blooming since early spring. They sell week hybrids of aristata x pulchella, ect, and claim they are long blooming and superior, to regular old natives, and it's a big lie. My long blooming clumps prove it. Skip, Do you use your foot to stomp planting holes with that pro plugger?

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Jay, I push it in with my hands or the foot plate if the soil is too hard. It can handle me jumping onto the foot plate.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

There are no Thermopsis species native to Illinois. I just realized Thermopsis caroliniana and T. villosa are the same species. Villosa is native to New Jersey.

Thermopsis mollis, South Carolina

Thermopsis fraxifolia, South Carolina

Thermopsis villosa, New Jersey

http://bonap.net/Napa/TaxonMaps/Genus/County/Thermopsis

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I planted 3 more of those Thermopsis villosa a month ago, in addition to the one I had. Thats one of those plants I have that isn't really fine tuned to the local ecology, but its a cool plant for the garden.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Skip, what kind of plant don’t you have? You will be ready to give tours in a year or so. I planted some Porteranthus stipulatus. According to the USDA map, it’s native all around. But not South Carolina.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I gave a garden tour earlier this year, just a matter of time to get everything mature. Actually my spring ephemeral list is pretty weak... hmm🤔 I dont have whatever it is you just mentioned either.

I drove by a house yesterday that was 100% garden from house to sidewalk, loaded with blue or purple flowers, goldenrod and habitat signs. Think the blue/purple was either Verbena bonariensis or Lobelia syphilitica, have to stop by for a closer look later this week. Had the family in the car couldn't rubberneck too much.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I'm looking for seeds for Passiflora lutea. I think it's the hardiest species. I was thinking about the Thermopsis, because something is eating mine. There aren't many Sulphur butterflies around here anymore, and most of my legumes aren't nibbled on. I have a huge sicklepod that hasn't been touched. It has a bunch of seedpods. I wonder how many vollenteers will come back? I get self sown Senna hebbacarpa coming up. I think I convinced someone to leave their leaves be. I'm going to rake my leaves over the beds.

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I hope to visit more of the south in the future. There seems to be a lot more diversity there. Alabama is close to the top of the list.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1231976753631930/permalink/1636257736537161/

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Carphephorus corymbosus is great pollinator plant. The flowers resemble Eupatorium and Ageratina. They are all in the large Asteraceae tribe Eupatorieae.

Carphephorus corymbosus

Carphephorus corymbosus

Carphephorus corymbosus

Carphephorus corymbosus

Carphephorus corymbosus

Carphephorus corymbosus

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Symphyotrichum estesii. Named for Dwayne Estes.

https://www.facebook.com/1114901586/posts/10224734133876778/

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

It's supposed to rain here for the next 7 days, and it's already been raining for 3 days. At least it's not snow.

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Smooth blue aster still blooming.

Purple top grass and my assortment of walkway weeds.

Thermopsis villosa. Some cat maybe was eating it.

Verbena bonariensis

I got excited and thought a new cool native with red foliage, and then figured out it's a weedy Bidens. I had an invasion a couple years back, and still get straglers.

stragglers aristata still blooming since April, without deadheading, why buy cheap, 'ever blooming' hybrid Gaillardias?

from above, Ansonia hubrichtii and Hypericum prolificum

Mexican hats and Yellow cornflowers.

Geum triflorum, Prairie Smoke, I managed to keep this one alive all year.

Cirsium flodmannii. There are a few more native thistles I'd love to collect, like Hill's, Pitcher's, maybe muticum. Hopefully none are bigger than the Cirsium discolor at 7'.

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Scrophularia ? It just dawned on me that's what these are. I've been trying to grow them for years by scattering seeds. I finally have some through winter sowing.

A wooly caterpillar on the sicklepod.

Ascepias humistrata, back inside and under lights.

Angelica Keiser. I'd love to grow a native Angelica, but atropurpurea gets too big. There's 1 other native species in Illinois.

Redbud and Lamb's quarters.

Asclepias texana with seed pods. I hope the seeds are viable. A nice alternative to tropical and HB.

Taxodium distichum

Palafoxia callosa. Opuntia humifusa, Gaillardia aestivalis that never bloomed.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Nice pictures again, Jay! Trying to catch up on looking some of these plants up. That Florida paintbrush looks very interesting.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Yeah nice pics and plants still blooming. No frost there yet? It was 76 degrees today, still holding on to the warmth here. You decide what you're going to sow this winter? Im definitely multiplying some of the stuff I already have, limit myself to 20 new species.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I want to sow a few milkweeds inside earlier. Engelmannii, pulchra, texana, white flowered syriaca. I'll have to go through all my seeds and see what hasn't done well yet and try some again. I'm going to try starting Passiflora lutea. Maybe if enough people start planting them, Fritillaries will return to Illinois. An Aristida species would be nice. Did you ever figure out if you had the sensitive partridge pea? Brickellia eupatorioides, Sium sauve, Symphyotrichum georgiana, if I can get seeds. I wonder how hard Spigelia marilandica is starting from seed? Probably try a couple Solidago. I want to try buttonbush and Gentiana puberlenta and andrewsii again. Hopefully, I'll be around for awhile to eventually add everything I've ever wanted to grow lol. The weather ruined this years plans.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Aristida species of Illinois.

Aristida tuberculosa

Aristida purpurea

Aristida oligantha

Aristida desmantha

Aristida basiramea

Mostly grasshoppers and ducking insects feed on Aristida ssp. For the Skippers I want to grow the Deertongue grass, Dichanthelium clandestinum.

https://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/grasses/plants/deertg_grass.html

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Isn’t the lutea the “native yellow passion vine” the one I have and you didn’t like before? Jeez, if I could just find the pictures of it blooming in all my pictures. It was completely ignored by Gulf and variegated Fritilary this year. Still plenty of caterpillars on the other kinds. Weather certainly was weird this year. Glad we didn’t have a severe drought again. Looks like the hummingbirds are already gone. Not much of a migration for me. No more than three at a time compared to at least 20 a few years ago. The pine siskins on the other hand have arrived in full force. Doesn’t happen every year. Filled up the finch feeder (that’s where they hang out with the finches, sunflower seed chips in that one) 3 times again today.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Yes, I didn't like the P. lutea at 1st, but it's grown on me, and maypops won't flower here, so hopefully lutea will. I didn't see any Monarchs in the oaks this year, like they were last year.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Just planted 1 Helianthus divaricatus, 5 Lobelia siphilitica, 2 Mitella diphylla, 2 Asclepias variegata, and a redbud I started from seed. Transplanted the swamp sunflower so it doesn't shade out all the other plants around it. The milkweed tubers were nice and white, I planted them right next to my deck so I can see them close up every time I walk out the door. They might need more sun but there was a persicaria virginiana growing right next to the spot, so maybe not? Maybe I'll move them a little.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Sounds great. I think I have 1 Mitella diphylla plant. I hope some of my variegata bloom next year. I'm going to go collect Dichanthelium clandestinum seeds tomorrow. I dug up one stalk of That Helianthus divaricatus or hirsutus last year and it spread pretty fast. I seperated it into 5 plants this year. Next year probably a colony. Did you try growing any Lobelia cardinals?

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Yeah I have 1 tiny cardinalis planted and 4 or 5 more left. Still not done planting

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dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)

Did someone say snow? I had two snow events go through this week already, and I am so not prepared for it. At least 8 inches total. I don't think this is going to melt, which means it could be a very long season looking at white.

My Asters hardly had time to set flowers before this happened.

New York Aster and Blueberry two weeks ago. Prenanthes foreground.

Turkeys grabbing seeds off the Viburnum trilobum. Evidently the seeds aren't that tasty because they didn't spend much time there. I've noticed that before, the seeds stay on the plant all winter and get eaten in Spring. Something about very cold temps needed to convert to sugars.

Picture taken through the screen door. These birds are very skittish. My Purple Dome hardly got to bloom.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Wow, snow already. That aster had such nice color too.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

We've had a lot of rain, but no snow. It's 46 now. It's snowed further up north in the state. It's nice having wild turkeys around.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Snow? Isn’t that early, even for you up there? It’s too bad you could not enjoy your asters for a while longer. So pretty! It was 80 here today. Leaves are starting to fall, but almost no pretty Fall colors so far. Well, the Virginia creeper is showing some color.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

The temp is going near freezing tonight, and possible snow over the weekend.

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I was looking at elderberries. I heard it's better to have a couple different varieties for better fruit. The only 2 native varieties on bonap are Sambucus nigra, and Sambucus racemosa. I noticed there are a lot of named varieties, around 8 named 'cultivars', and apparently Sambucus nigra has 3 subspecies, and Sambucus racemosa has 5 subspecies, which makes 8 varieties. The links show the subspecies. How many varieties are you growing Dandy? It would be interesting to see how they all differ from each other.

https://plants.usda.gov/java/ClassificationServlet?source=profile&symbol=SANI4&display=31


https://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=35326#null

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

It's 49 and cloudy. Starting Monday night temperatures in the 20's. I remember it being 90 on Halloween once years ago. I wish I had a little patch of land outside the yards where I could plant every seedling, and then they could put on good growth while I get beds for them made. This year was a disaster because of the weather. The tornado was the icing on the cake. Talk about a setback! I will continue to fight on and transform my yard into a nature sanctuary, no matter the obstacles and opposition. Hey Skip, have you ever thought about getting a drone to explore?😆 Might be useful for finding ultra rare plants.🤔 If I could ever get it to fly lol.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Hey Jay, no I haven't felt the need to bother with a drone yet. There are plenty of plants that aren't rare that I could still get to know without one. I did read and hear about the scientists finding rare plants in Hawaii with drones. Theyre trying to use drones to pollinate rare plants, collect seed, and plant seeds.

The weather has been remarkably nice, in the 60s or near 70 with a little rain or drizzle with periods of sun. I was out cleaning out the gutters then cleaning up all the leaves off my deck. When I raked out a leaf pile that had formed behind my garbage cans look what I found!!


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

A good reason to leave the leaves. I was noticing the robins like to overturn them when hunting. Did you get a Spiranthus orchid, and did it bloom? I have a lot of places I need to explore on foot too. I like being close to the plants. Some people on fb are big time environmentalists and they use the drones to monitor ecosystems. There's a lot to learn in order to get the big picture of what's really going on.




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dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)

I have S. racemosa and W. canadensis that I'm growing here. The canadensis is more prevalent in the southern part of Mn, but there are some growing in the local arboretum. They both have good flowers and fruit so they make a great contribution to the environment. I think there was only one or two plants here when I moved in ten years ago. Now there's at least 25 with as many more small plants filling in. They grow so fast too which is great.

The snow this week is about a month early and I'm so not ready for this just yet. One hose was still on the spigot with frozen water still inside. The temps have not been above 34 degrees in over a week(for a high). Forecast for Tuesday am is 7 above zero(f). No No No. Some seeds still need to be collected but the flowers are frozen but not dried yet. I need to collect more Rudbeckia and get the seeds distributed in some new areas I'm developing. And my demonstration Wildflower garden along the roadside needs more plants too. I;m counting on my Actaea racemosa, aka Cimicifuga, to be a real show stopper in a few years.

Dewberry

Echinacea Magnus, "Smoky"

Cheyenne Spirit

Blue berry crop

L. cardinalis


Rudbeckia triloba

Rose hips

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Great pics Dandy, thanks! I'm not ready for single digit temps yet.


Symphyotrichum oblongifolium, Aromatic Aster. I know these asters spread everywhere but I still want to add to my Symphyotrichum leave with a few more species, ericoides, oblongifolium, novae angleae, lateriflorum and georgianum.

Symphyotrichum longifolium, Aromatic Aster

Symphyotrichum oblongifolium

Symphyotrichum oblongifolium.

Symphyotrichum georgianum, Georgia Aster

Symphyotrichum georgianum. About as far from Illinois as it is from Texas.

Symphyotrichum lateriflorum, Calico Aster.

Symphyotrichum lateriflorum. This is very common here, which is why I want some. Do any of you see them around? White snake root grows everywhere too, but I don't want any of it.

Symphyotrichum ericoides, Heather Aster

Symphyotrichum ericoides

Symphyotrichum ericoides

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Dandy, everything is looking so great in your pictures! Takes special people to have these long winters I guess. I get creaky when it’s cold. I still have some raspberries. First time ever to have the banana blooming. Not that I will get any. I know, not native here. One of the few plants my husband wanted. He is all about tropical looking with big leaves. The bees like it though.

Jay, I have all three of these asters. Wonder why the aromatic aster is not native here.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Nice pics Dandy. Even the dewberry looks really nice.

Jay I have Spiranthes odorata and a local ecotype of Spiranthes cernua, in rough shape after something dug up everything in the planter and tossed the plants aside.

I think I saw calico aster at the park the other day but its hard for me to distinguish from frost aster that has fading flowers.

Iris how far south would you need to go to grow bananas? Would it grow in a greenhouse there?

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The Spiranthes still bloomed, that's good. I want to see some for real. Everyone else is running into them but me. If I leave my garden debris alone forgm the winter, then when in the spring can I clean it up, or better yet do a controlled burn?

I looked and apparantly there are Spiranthes observations at 2 of the places I visit the most.


Lonicera retuculata/prolifera


Helianthus hirsutus?

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I have no idea about the sunflower, you have to get pics of the phyllaries, leaves, stems, maybe pistils and stamens, all that. Thats a nice honeysuckle. I collected berries off my coral honey suckle I got 13 clean seeds out them.

I raked the leaves out of my planting area and spread the winter rye cover crop today. Now I have all winter to figure out the rest of the seeding procedure.

shade garden is planted at my feet in this last pic, plugs are basically invisible and going dormant at this point.

nice color on the dogwood

Tons of allium vineale coming up, have to go around and treat each one. I hope the lawn grass continues to fill in.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Wow, that looks like a big area to play with, Skip! Cooler with light rain for most of the day here. I think this might be the last Monarch coming from my yard this year. With the cooler weather, it took more than 3 weeks in the chrysalis. Turned out fine.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Iris, I wonder if the Monarchs, that hang around your yard all season, are part of that population, that stays in the southern US? Have you ever tried tagging any of them?


I collected some Calico Aster seeds. The leaves on this plant look wider than pictures, but they are supposed to be variable.

Eurybia macrophylla. I don't have it, but I like it. It would look good with Solidago flexicaulis I think. Used as a ground cover for part shade/shade, rhizomatous.


Oclemena, formerly Aster

Oclemena accuminata, Whorled Wood Aster, New Jersey

Oclemena x blakei, Blake's Aster, New Jersey

Oclemena nemoralis, Bog Aster, New Jersey.

Oclemena reticulata, Pine Barren Whitetop Aster, South Carolina.


Ionactis formerly Aster. 1 eastern species, 4 western species.

Ionactis linariifolia, Stiff Aster, Flax Leaf Stiff Aster, Illinois, New Jersey, Texas, South Carolina


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Skip, what do you do with the winter rhy cover crop in the spring? Do you till it under?

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I grow the Eurybia macrophylla, it flowered kind if early I should go get the seeds before they blow away. I got Ionactus linariifolius this spring too, waiting for it to finish flowering so I can grow more of it.

To kill the winter rye you could till it in. I dont want to till because that brings weed seeds up to the surface and collapses the soil structure. I dont know if you noticed this when planting, but if I pull a plug or clod of soil and bust it up, the resulting dirt doesnt fill the hole I took it out of, the soil structure has collapsed. If you till an area it will eventually sink a little.

Another option is to mow it or crimp it when it starts to flower, but thats not until early-mid May, I want to kill it earlier before all the hairy bittercress and chickweed goes to seed.

That leaves option 3, chemical control. I might have to spray it with glyphosate but I dont want to use too much glyphosate in one area because it will start building up in the soil. Im going to ask an organic landscaper I know if his vinegar clove oil mix will kill it.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

How do you like your Eurybia and Ionactis? I like the Ionactis a lot. It looks like it stays a managable size. I'm thinking about what to do when all these different asters go to seed. If I leave the seedheads on the plants to protect any insects in them, then I might have millions of seedlings to pull out. Have you seen Brickellia eupatoroides around there?

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I have not seen the Brickellia, if its something deer can eat, it probably doesn't stand a chance around here. I like the Ionactus so far, mine is only a year old and its still really small. The foliage blends in with the Phlox subulata. I think it wants lean soil, so I wouldn't worry about it spreading where there is competition from other plants. Ive had bigleaf aster 2-3 years and it hasnt spread either, while in the same time the heartleaf aster has spread to a few new spots. My neighbor is blowing all his leaves to the curb, I might have to be the crazy person loading them up and carting them off to the back of my lot.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I think I have a few Doellingera planted, but they're tiny, but a couple had tiny flowers. How did you do with the Erigeron pulchellus? They will spread if in enough sun. When I overturn the soil to plant, I always add a lot of organic compost. I don't know if it will prevent the soil from collapsing. I'm basically putting in plant plugs over every square inch. It's was snowing here.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

The Erigeron did well, its only the first year from seed, and they were started outdoors so no flowers, but the rosettes have put out offsets.

Tell me how it is possible I ordered almost 30 new species from Prairie Moon for my meadow, yet I am still looking at other plants? Gentianella, Lobelia inflata, Euphorbia corollata, Lilium philadelphicum, Crotolaria. Already planning to get the Cirsium pumila from hungry hook in the spring. I bought some Asclepias quadrifolia seeds off Mike from the Native Plants of the Northeast group too.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Jay, I have not attempted to tag any Monarchs. Have never noticed a tagged one either. Ha ha, Skip. Of course you need some more plants....Just wait until I catch up with looking everything you all have mentioned up. Zeta might still be a tropical storm when it comes through here on Thursday. Guess Skip is up next for it? Lots of plants are already looking kind of tired in the first place. Sumacs are starting to show some color

The climbing asters are starting to bloom


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Nice pictures Iris. What's the bottom plant? Georgianum? I tried scattering Lobelia inflata seeds in places, a couple times, with no luck. Lately, with a lot of people posting pics of the rarer Lobelia, I'm wanting to find seeds or plants for some of those, but it won't be easy. Puberula, kalmii, apendiculata, canbyi, dortmanna, nutallii, spicata. I'm waiting to hear back from Mike about some quadrifolia seeds too. I'm hoping my 2 quadrifolia plants return in spring, but it won't hurt to have more. I should get more poke milkweed seeds too. The milkweeds take longer to establish. I'll have to go through the Prairie Moon seed list and see how weak I am, but I've planted most of their catalog already lol.

Lobelia kalmii, Frank Larry Lawrence

Minnesota, Illinois, New Jersey

Lobelia puberula, Thomas Govus

Illinois, New Jersey, South Carolina, Texas

Lobelia canbyi, New Jersey, South Carolina

Lobelia dortmanna, Minnesota, New Jersey

Lobelia nutallii, New Jersey, South Carolina

Lobelia appendiculata var gattlingeri

Texas, Illinois

Lobelia spicata, Minnesota, Illinois, New Jersey, South Carolina,Texas

Lobelia inflata. This species is as nice as the others. I'm trying it again. And the leaves have herbal uses. The cardinalis, siphilitica, and dortmanna have distinct colors, but all the rest are kind of similar variations on a theme.

Minnesota, Illinois, New Jersey, South Carolina

Lobelia amoena, South Carolina Denise Williams

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

That’s my Carolina climbing aster. Quadrifolia is still on my list. Guess I would need to join groups.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I got Lobelia spicata in bulk

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Awesome! I can grow the inflata and pretend it's a rarer species.🤣

Lobelia elongata, South Carolina

Lobelia boykinii, South Carolina

And now for something completely different.

Mount Kilimanjaro Lobelia deckenii

Hawaiian Lobeliad, Trematolobelia kaalae

Hawaiian Lobeliad, Lobelia gloria-montis

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Happy Bat Week!

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Symphyotrichum grandiflorum, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

I live in SC and have never seen that.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

What's the plant's common name?

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

The common name is largeflower aster. Ha, HU-9121 (is that what we should call you?), guess we are not going to be the “cool kids”. Refereeing to Jay’s meme about using scientific names :)

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Yup.

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Range of Symphyotrichum grandiflorum. There are no i naturalist observations for this species in South Carolina. It was common at one time along the coastal plain, but is rare or absent now. It still occurs in North Carolina and Virginia.

Symphyotrichum georgianum, Georgia Aster. Considered by many to be the most beautiful aster. Probably more common in South Carolina because of cultivation.

Range of Symphyotrichum georgianum. Florida, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

My Georgia asters are spreading nicely. Found some new ones in my Frostweed. Wonder if I can find plants for the grandiflorum somewhere. Need to search later. Also, my spellcheck often does not like scientific names. Really nice weather today. Am not looking forward to setting the clock back this weekend. It’s dark too early as it is.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I don't see plants or seeds available for S. grandiflorum. It looks like Plants Delights sold it at one time. I like the S. oblongifolium too. Prairie Moon has seeds for those. We should put the clocks an hour ahead, not an hour back. Can you save a few georgianum seeds for me? If I come across anyone with grandiflorum, I'll try to get seeds. If I get the quadrifolia seeds, and there's good germination, I'll send you a plant or 2.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Sure can! Or I can send you seedlings in Spring. Javi read something about needing plants from two different colonies for seeds to work. Not sure if this really is the case, but my plants are from Niche in NC and Woodlanders in SC. And obviously the seeds must work with the new ones coming up. Too far to be just runners.

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dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)

Welcome to the club Hu!

I found Lobelia spicata growing wild one time about ten years ago along a roadside. I kept eye on it for months planning to gather seed when it when it was dried out. Just before collecting, the ditch-mower guy came thru and cut everything down. I was so mad. Never tried to collect it again. Flowers were sorta puny anyways.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I heard that Georgia asters like dry soil. No wonder they do so well for you Iris. There were a couple things on my night cam. I can't make out the top pic, a coyote maybe?


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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Ha ha, Jay! I should put my camera back out. Somebody on a local group was hoping the pine siskins would show up in his yard. Nope, seems they are all in my yard. Eating me out of house and home :) Really early, too. In the years they show up, it’s usually in January or so.

I still don’t know exactly what all these asters are, but I really like them.

Dandy, is the snow still sticking up there?

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

LOL, Haha. Too bad the siskins don't eat cypress vine seeds. The butterfly looks beautiful with the aster.

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Bat Week I think all of them are beautiful.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Love my bats! Tropical storm warning here. Can’t remember if we ever had one. A watch maybe. Guess I will see how it goes, the worst should be between 7 and 11 tomorrow morning. Followed by a cold front so it might freeze by Monday night. It’s been a really weird year all around.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I hope you just get a nice rain and nothing else Iris. The path looks like it just clips the edge of S.C.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

A friend in Alabama had a lot of trees knocked down. I hope you're ok Iris.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

Jay, that's Chewbacca.

They came to see the trees.

That's why you should have a pretty garden.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

Jay what state do you live in?

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I live in Illinois, 40 miles south of Chicago. Where do you live?

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Jay, I am considering myself lucky. Nothing major, even kept the power. Duke Energy reported half a million without power, many in my area. South Carolina isn’t even that big. My husband had to turn around twice on his way to work because of fallen trees.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a) live in the outskirts of charleston.

In minutes i live 25-40 minutes away from charleston.

Specifically in Ladson.

What about you Iris?

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

You're in South Carolina, I forgot.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

It has been windy and rainy all day long.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

I am about 20 minutes south East of Greenville. Sicklepot seeds germinating while they are still on the plant.

Banana got shredded, but can’t be that long until it freezes. So no big deal.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

What's the bottom plant? A banana?

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Yep, it’s now a shredded banana :) Jay, did you have any real frost yet?

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Its feeling pretty stormy outside now, wind driven rain and large drops but not too bad.

I want to try out indoor seed starting and a soil mix, can anyone recommend a plant that doesn't need stratification and is a little bit tempermental? Something too adaptable might not be a good subject for testing how the soil works. I screened all the pinebark and turface I had left over in my shed, going to combine them 4:1 and see if I can start a seed and grow something in it before I fill all the trays. I have the pinebark in a tote outside soaking up all this rain water, since you are supposed to rinse it before use.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Maybe milkweeds? My quadrifolia seeds are coming. I'm going to start some inside again. They looked beautiful when they were inside, but went downhill once I planted them outside. I would have had more than just 2 plants if I hadn't started them in the tiny 72 cell trays.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Yeah I have some butterfly weed seeds I picked last year, the ones I wintersowed were MIA. I guess I should look up the water germination method again?

Did you harden off your quadrifolia before planting them outside? I still have a bunch of seeds in jugs and trays outside that I have not given up on yet. One of the A. verticillata came up this summer that I planted 2 years ago, maybe I'll have more variegata, purpurascens, and tuberosa germinating next year.

I listened to a podcast, a scientist was talking about the California tarweeds, Hawaiian silverswords and adaptive radiation, etc.. anyway a real interesting thing he mentioned is that seeds he grew out in his lab from an annual tarweed species had perennial rhizomes, but that plant would have never survived as a perennial if it was outside left to nature in the environment he took it out of. Basically the summer droughts favor the annual form of the plant. That got me wondering how many other seeds from any species propagated indoors would have never stood a chance outside, and if that has any effect on moves from indoor to out.

Once again I'm going to try another wintersow method. I saw some hardware cloth on sale so Im just going to put the trays with seeds outside then cover with the hardware cloth as shown here https://wildseedproject.net/2016/11/ideal-time-for-sowing-native-seeds/?fbclid=IwAR3XsKu-lNinEby_UjFhBZxqN0MUiTdxnkKar3anVxCNWa7ctm6ofuRphNI

Im still going to use the cold frame as-is too.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I hardened off the quadrifolia plants, and then planted them in part shade. I think it was the higher outside temperatures and humidity that negatively affected them. They were getting more light when they were inside. I think I should have planted them sooner, before it got hot outside. I have many plants still in containers that I'm hoping will overwinter. I don't think it matters at this point whether they get in the ground or not. I have some hardware cloth. I've read about the targeted radiation in Hawaii. Some other plants have done the same over there, Like Lobelias And the spurge Euphorbias. My more heat loving southern milkweeds like ,subverticillata, oenotheroides, and fascicularis did great after I planted them outside.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

what's the common name for Lobelia canbyi?

And Iris, last week i went to vacation in Pickens, SC and I went to Greenville.

Jay what is your prefered plant that attracts butterflies and bees?

Skip1909 butterfly weed has beautiful flowers and it's a type of milkweed

Are there other types of milkweed that put flowers?

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Lobelia canbyi is a rare plant, common name Canby's lobelia https://www.cumauriceriver.org/botany/loca.html

Common milkweed, purple milkweed, swamp milkweed, and redring milkweed all have showy flowers

Heres my common and swamp

Here's a darker flowered form of common milkweed:


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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

Wow nice!

I can see there's a wasp on Pic #2.

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I don't have any one particular favorite host plant. I enjoy growing lots of different species. Asclepias pulchra seeds available.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/growmilkweedplants/permalink/4023489511000976/


Asclepias incarnata var pulchra.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

okay.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Hope your plants will make it in pots over the Winter, Jay. I still have some stuff I want to get in the ground. My buckeye seedlings are still so small. Afraid they will get mowed over if I plant them now. But afraid the roots will freeze in the pots. Maybe I will just bury the pots in some mulch. My little Fairy duster is blooming for the first time. Had it for 4 years, but it always gets eaten by the deer. Yes, I know. Texas is not South Carolina. But at least it survives in that rocky area. Completely wrong time to bloom though. Should happen in Spring.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

What species is that fairy duster. That mulch idea sounds great! I I think I'll cover my trays with mulch too. I had a hernia surgery today up in Chicago. I'm very sore. Hopefully, I'll be be able to do more things now, and ride a bike.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

It’s Calliandra eriophylla. I hope you will feel better soon!

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

That Calliandra is really nice. How big is the plant overall?

Have a swift recovery Jay. I wonder if there is any pulchra growing wild around here.

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Thanks for the well wishes! I'm still hurting the and sore. It will take a couple weeks to heal, and I'm supposed to take it easy for a couple months,until it's completely healed. There's probably more pulchra in N.J. then by me Skip. It's supposed to be growing in the piedmont. I have 25 seeds so I can maybe send you a couple plants in the spring. Alan Weakly has individual floras for 22 locations.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10224823103340959&id=1114901586

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

I guess that means no digging up the lawn to put in more flower beds for a while. Take it easy! Cool day here, started up my fight against the golden rod again. This might take a bulldozer.

morning glories are also still all around

Frost weed is still looking good.


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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

I was just looking at pictures from one of my German friends. A beautiful field of poppies and some purple flowers. He named it Phacelia. Seems native in North America. Any of you have it?

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I just downloaded the flora for NJ, haha, its way over my head. I need to transfer it from my phone to my tablet to even focus on it without wrecking my eyes. Where is asteraceae? I need to read into it more.


Iris, Phacelia bipinnatifida is the only one native to NJ. I was interested in it last year after I saw it posted on instagram by Claudia West, but I was pretty much overloaded with seeds at the time. Maybe one day I'll grow it out, its a biennial. There are a lot of other US native Phacelia species too.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I bet there's a lot of detailed information in it. He is undecided about putting out a hard copy, and if he did, it would have to be 2 books for the almost 1900 pages. I said I'd happily buy 2 books. He's more concerned with the environment, and feels that it's more important for people working towards those ends to easily access it. He does ask people to consider donating to the university. I think the books would generate a profit to support a lot of research, you know charge a bit more, like who wouldn't want to get it? I found a weedy Phacelia species this year. I say weedy because the flowers were very tiny. I can't remember the species name, and the 2 or 3 species that are native here don't look right. That's a huge genus, with most of them in the west. They are similar to the those related flowers, the waterleafs. So I made a list of seeds I'd like to get from Praiie Moon. Allium tricocca, Asclepias exaltata, Brickellia eupatorioides, Carex buxbaumi, Carex cephelophora, Carex muhlenbergii, Carex gracillima Crysopsis villosa, Linum sulcatum, Comandra umbellata, Frasera carolinianus, Linaria canadensis(again 😟), Symphyotrichum oblongifolium. I hope I still have Muhlenbergia capillaries seeds left. That's a nice native grass. Skip, most of what these botanists talk about is way over my head too. I just hope I pick up some knowledge with always being exposed to it. I'm learning a lot of new word, and forgetting some too. I'm sure learning about a lot of new species waterless. I'm in a Carex group, so I need to grow a few species lol. I need more Carex variety.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Ha, Jay. With this list at the end of October, are you sure you will stick to no more than 20 new species?

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No, I'm not sure. I still need to go through my stored seeds and decide which plants I want to try again the most. If I tried sowing everything that didn't germinate the number would be a lot higher. Maybe 50?🤣 That's about 1/4 as many as last time. I could handle 50 no problem. I still have 2 sides of fence that need to be replaced.

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Prairie Moon wish list and updates
All google photos. No copywrites that I see. Google doesn't ask permission when they snag them.

Frasera caroliniensis. I don't think I'll be growing this. It takes up to 15 years to bloom. If I was younger maybe. I could get an older hi plant. Why would a plant evolve to bloom after 15 years?

Symphyotrichum oblongifolium. Maybe the next best thing to georgianum.

Linum sulcatum. This is native to my area, but I've never seen it. They sell the blue flowered Linum lewisii seeds in wildflower mixes, but it's more of a western species I think.

Carex buxbaumii, I don't have any pine cone Carex yet. You could never grow them all unless you had a football stadium or cornfield. I see Carex species from all over the world in my group. So much diversity.

Chrysopsis villosa. I can't grow the yellow daisy some of you are further east, but this is the next best thing. I had Grindellia but they got planted too late and never bloomed. What's the name of the yellow daisy that you rescued from your neighbor's yard Iris? I think Skip is griwing it too.

Comandra umbellata, the plant I saw this spring at Braidwood Dunes was tiny, maybe smaller than this picture. I really like it. It's hemiparasitic. They say in order to germinate it, one should make a cut in a host plant and insert the seeds into it.

Allium tricoccum. It's pretty and it tastes good. It's use and exposure due to modern food crazes has led to it being poached and overcollected by ignorant, selfish people who are too lazy to start their own from seed.

Carex muhlenbergii

Brickellia eupatorioides. I'm not sure the seeds I collected were Brickellia. I trust Prairie Moon. All these Eupatorium type plants can get confusing.

Carex cephalophora. I want to have a mixture of Carex species in my front yard, replacing the Kentucky bluegrass, which isn't native and isn't from Kentucky. People are so brainwashed into having mowed lawns probably most who see my yard won't get it, but a few will. The more I learn about native plants, the more I hate mowed lawns and pesticides. It's my test to see if people have an open mind. If a person's excuse is that it's always been done this way, then forget them.

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Nuttallanthus canadensis. Still being called Linaria by Prairie Moon. They don't need cms, but they didn't germinate last year, so I might try starting some under lights, and see how that works. A Buckeye host plant.

Carex gracillima

I was just checking the internet to see if any of the rare plants I want are available, and I found Blue Eyed Mary seeds for sale. I ordered 2 packets. The only thing is, they germinate in the fall, and then grow more, and flower in the spring. I wonder if I can duplicate those conditions?

Collinsia verna.

Erigenia bulbosa. It's the other rare ephemeral I'm searching for. It's our Native Plant Society's mascot plant.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

The Nuttallanthus I saw was growing best on sand

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I think I covered the top of my soil with sand and sowed the Nuttallanthus seeds on top of it last time. Prairie Moon was out of Nuttallanthus seeds last year, so I got mine from another place. I direct seeded tons of Agalinis seeds last fall, and none of them germinated either. Those are hemiparasitic.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Anyone grow arrowleaf violet? Viola sagittata. I found it curious that its not for sale anywhere. It can handle more sun and drought than common blue violets and tolerate disturbed soil.

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dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)

I never got Agalinis seed to germinate either so it's one that I've given up on. I have plenty of Carex growing in my yard, I've never thought ot collect seed. One that I like a lot I call "Mop Head Sedge" but don't know the real name. It's a quite impressive looking plant.

The really cold spell is over now and beginning to warm up. Going to be in the 60's this week, after ten days of low 30's. I even got caught with my snow shovel not at the ready.

Skip-I just use a gauze over my plants in the winter now. My Cardinal Flower that germinated late last year but still left out all winter long, well they bloomed in the garden this year. Even tho they were tiny seedlings last fall, they survived just fine still in their pots overwinter. So I'm doing the same this year with a really large bunch of Gentian andrewsii that never got larger than 1/2 inch this summer. That and about a dozen pots that never germinated either.

The snow two weeks ago compacted just about everything, except for the Coreopsis tripteris(which I call Minnesota bamboo). Even tho fall,and then winter are devoid of vegetation, I enjoy the fact that my terrain is changing every three months or so. I like being able to see the ground again, and not having tree leaves blocking my view. And if it gets too bad in winter I can always join the Snowbird migration to Florida for a while.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/12436122

I'm pretty sure that I saw them near me in Braidwood. They were easy to see, because they did a burn. I could go see if I can get seeds, once my surgery heals.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

I want to plant a ice cream banana.

They're bananas native to Puerto Rico.

And they taste like Ice Cream.

And they grow well in SC.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Skip, once again, I have no idea what is growing in my yard. I think I posted a picture of these violet looking plants when they first showed up last Winter. Maybe I will catch them bloom this time to figure out what they are. Leaves don’t look too much like an arrow, but some google images don’t either.

I collected your mint seeds today. Tried a few times before, but finally something happened when I shook them. They are tiny, but look ready, right?

Jay, your cowpen daisies are very well behaved. Hope they spread themselves around a bit.

HU-912, how can you tell banana plants apart? Mine was really busy with the bees today. Who would have thought?


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Iris, I'm not sure what the plant is. It looks like it has hanging flower buds. The leaves remind me of Tall Bellflower, but the flowers don't match.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Jay, Seek app tells me at least that it is a violet. But I thought so last time. It’s in an area with the other violets.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Looks like seed to me, awesome! If I have anything you'd like let me know.

Dont know what that plant is but maybe you'll get to see it flower soon.

There are some sighting of arrowleaf violet in my county, I probably just need to look around at the right time.

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The Viola sagittata also has cleistogamous flowers that make seeds without flowering, later in the season. These violets are the species I like the most.

Viola striata

Viola pubescens

Viola canadensis

Viola sagittata

Viola lanceolata

Symphyotrichum pilosum

Symphyotrichum sericeum




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Viola cucullata

Hordeum jubatum

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Someone was asking what to plant on a slope in full sun, and I was thinking about what violet or plant would make a good component in a ground cover. They wanted ornamental grass, but clump forming grass wont keep weeds from growing between them, so you need something like violets, a cool season grass, or wild strawberry, basically provide your own weeds to make a living mulch. I was thinking arrowleaf violet would probably do better with grasses than common violet on a sunny slope. So you lay out the ground cover grid on like 18-24" centers then add loose groups, distributed individuals, and/or drifts of flowering plants.

If I could get all my seeds to germinate and fill my plug trays I could pull off this planting style without spending $1000 on plants lol.


Jay, I have about infinite Symphytrichim pilosum seeds if you want them

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

That's awesome, free pilosum seeds. I'm going to take my seeds out and see what I have. I was looking at a few native nurseries and I saw Matelea obliqua and Clematis viorna offered. We can do a seed trade in a couple/few weeks.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

This is what I think is Symphyotrichum pilosum, the small white one

plant gets a lot bigger with age

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

There's a bunch of close shots of pilisum here. There are also white flowered S. laeve. He says any blue aster can have white versions and any what aster can be blue. There's 2 subspecies of pilosum, I don't know the difference yet.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2051951611608051&id=100003796964585


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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Pretty! Had the first frost here last night. Asters are still looking good. Some other stuff not so much. It’s a shame since the weather is supposed to be nice for the next 2 weeks. Buckeye on frozen Zinnia.

found this little, cold guy on the ground this morning. Warmed up on my finger for a good 15 minutes until he was active enough for me to put him on a tree.


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I only ordered a few plants. The only thing left to order is a few seeds from Prairie Moon.

Asclepias stenophylla. I ordered seeds from Ecrater. The seeds I bought last year from GeorgiaVines/Buyrareplants never germinated. I think they sell bad seeds. If I get this growing, the only 2 Asclepias species left to get are meadii and lanuginosa.

Viola striata. I ordered 1 plant and 1 seed packet. Some day I hope to have every Viola native to Illinois.

Matelea obliqua. I've wanted this for awhile. I was thinking I'd have to drive to southern Illinois to find a plant. Woodthrush is offering it now. I ordered 1 plant.

Clematis occidentalis. I bought seeds for this last year, but no germination. I still have the container just in case. Ordered 1 plant.

Clematis viorna. This will be my first time growing a leatherflower. Viorna is actually a complex, and this 1 species is in the process of being split into 9 different species. Dwayne Estes is involved with this, and he's very knowledgeable about the viorna complex. There is a viorna vine/vines growing by the canal, that keeps getting mowed. I'm hoping to rescue it next spring. Could be multiple vines. Ordered 1 plant.

I'm looking for Aralia nudicaulis seeds. Everyone is sold out.

I'm still looking for Plantago patagonica seeds. Looks like there are some observations from Kankakee County,

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

Iris, has the banana plant given you bananas?

If so put a picture.

This is a pic of an ice cream banana i found on the Web:

Which pic is the banana flower?

I need more pics to try to identify it.

What is the scientific name for "shredded banana"? I can't find anything that matches that name. Ice cream Banana plants have small yellow-smiley- face shaped bananas. Don't get them confused with blue java bananas.

Here is a pic:

By the ways they are a hybrid.

And there is a banana that taste like an apple.

I'll see if i can get a pic.

They are called Manzano Bananas or Latundan banana

Came out big. how did that happen?

Anyways.

Here's a pic:

Manzano is apple in spanish.

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I don't know much about growing bananas, or all the different varieties. I thought about growing a hardy cv years ago, before I became smitten with growing native plants. HU, do you have a name we can call you? It would make it easier to get to know you. Feel free to ask me anything. When members don't choose a name, then they have that HU with a long number, and its nearly impossible to tell them all apart, because people here are doing it more often, so it's hard to distinguish between them and they all get lumped together. I grow a few plants that aren't natives and I do talk a little about them sometimes, but I like to keep the comments mainly about native plants, especially around this time when we are discussing seeds and trading, and there's so much more we all want to learn. What Asian country were you in as a child?

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I have never been to Asia. But i wish i will go there. I should clear that out.

I'm from Puerto Rico. An Islander. By the ways it was a meme. I should take that out if it causes confusion. So i can see you are confused so i'll take that out. You can call me Mars.

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You Mars, me Jay. I'm curious why you chose not to have a screen name? I thought it was weird too, and to try and come up with a name to describe myself, I would want to change it to something else every day, so I just decided to be real, and use my real name, either way tho, real name, or made up, other people are better able to identify with me. I can change my profile picture as often as I want lol.

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Mar stands for my full name.

M is the beginning letter of my first name.

A for my middle name.

R for my last name.

What do you mean by screen name?

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dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)

Jay-I'll send you Aralia nuducaulis seeds soon. I'm pretty sure I gathered a goodly number of them this summer, before the Grouse got them. I've been sorting my seeds this past week and getting ready to do some shipping. I can't think of anything I need in return so take them gratis(unless thee is something weird I would like!).

I love that purple Clematis and doing a search I see it's native right where I live. I'm going to be on the lookout for it in the future.

Temps soared up to 73 degrees today, and it's going to be like this until next week. It feels like a second Spring happened. Still snow hanging on for dear life but the end is imminent. I'm getting plants moved around today. I discovered it is not a good idea to wait too long transplanting Baptesia cuz their roots go really deep. And the Actaea racemosa makes huge root masses that are hard to untangle when seeded to close together. I got some Joe Pye Weed 'Glow' moved out by the roadside too. They should be spectacular in a few years. I'm trying to make a roadside demonstration garden to entice people walking by to admire and maybe do their own native plantings.

Some nuisance things like Redosier Dogwood are getting taken out as they are just big ungainly things that take up too much space. I don't know where they come from, they just keep showing up. The Pagoda Dogwood, on the other hand, are real keepers for me. I don't know where they come from either.

Iris-that's a cute bug, but you're messing with the gene pool. I can see it now: a million years from now there's a giant moth that eats everything that moves and has no natural predators, all because someone wouldn't let nature take its course and let it succumb to the cold!!! LOL(only kidding)

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Ha ha, Dandy. I have a soft spot for furry moths.

Jay, did you already place the order for all these plants? I did check my Matelea obliqua this morning, just in time to collect the seeds before they were blowing away. Guess I will need to plant them myself then.


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Mars, a screenname is the name you choose to give yourself, the name that shows on the screen.

Dandy, it looks like the purple clematis does better in the northwest corner of Minnesota, than it does here. Prairie Moon sells seeds, but they're out of stock. I bought 30 seeds for those, last year from a person, and none germinated. I saved the container, just in case they decide to take 2 years. I ordered a Clematis occidentalis plant from Woodthrush Natives. I'll let you know the new seeds I've ordered from Prairie Moon, and any new seeds I've collected. I think it may have hit 80 here today. I watered the plants and pots outside, and weeded out some emerging weeds and red clover. Now's a good time to spot those weeds. Have you ever had problems with weedy, introduced clovers?

Iris, I already ordered all the plants plus the Prairie Moon seeds that I wanted.

The range of Clematis occidentalis.

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Iris, I did not know you had Matelea obliqua. I knew you had the Funastrum cynanchioides. Didn't you call it Carolina Milk Vine? I definitely want seeds, yes please! These Matelea can be hard to establish, so I can better my chances with a few plants. Are you absolutely sure that it is Matelea obliqua?

Lead Plant Moth, Schinia lucens

Schinia lucens caterpillar

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

It’s the one I just got a while ago from Ironweed. Well, I got two and one came with a seedpot.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

They sell Matelea carolinensis, not M. obliqua. Carolinensis isn't native up here.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

Okay Jay.

Iris are those moths or moth caterpillars? I thought they were dandelions.

Not the yellow kind, the white furry kind.

My Long tailed skippers are getting big.

here's a pic:

It's blurry.

But you can see the head.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

Here's something funny about bananas:

Guess what artist created it.



What's so special about this?

It costs $100,000 dollars.

It makes no since at all.

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dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)

Jay-I sent you Aralia nudicaulis last year. Did you lose them already?

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

We should plant more Asclepias .

Why? Because construction workers are clearing up forest areas.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Well Mars, if you should hear of any native milkweeds getting bulldozed, please let me know. I'll give them to the most caring Native People that I know. I think that's the story for my Asclepias variegata tubers, (logging). I don't like the banana painting/photo. The feeling it evokes is unnatural, (to me) . Even if Michelangelo painted it, I still wouldn't care for it. Why is it considered valuable? I could buy some land and do a beautiful restoration with $10.000, maybe? I didn't see many skipper caterpillars this year, compared to last.

Dandy, I'm going through all my saved seeds tonight, and I'll let you know tomorrow whether or not I still have nudicaulis seeds. Do you store your nudicaulis seeds moist or dry? I have about 7 little A. racemosa that I planted this year, and I've had 1 A. Spinoza plant for 2 years, but no nudicaulis at all. I should check Prairie Moon again. Morning Sky Nursery are sold out of nudicaulis. Anybody have wreath goldenrods that bloom like a spike, and weep, spill over? Around my area most goldenrod are like canadensis, with a large pannicle of blooms on top. I want something that blooms differently.


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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I sowed the Aralia nudicaulis last year but none of it germinated I'm wondering if its because it was a mild winter. Still have them in the tray outside plus more seed in the fridge, maybe next year they'll germ. Ended up with a bunch of A. racemosa up and into the ground though.

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dandy_line (Z3b N Cent Mn)

I shipped a big bunch of seed today, including more A nudicaulis. I haven't tried to germinate them, but they're probably difficult, like a lot of those ground berry plants. i store all berry seeds in the fridge after removing the pulp. Maybe they need the pulp on. Who knows? I did get good results from Arisema(JITP) this spring, and that was without the pulp, and in a pot-not in ground.

I ended up casting off a lot of seed today all around my property just to get rid of them as my fridge is bulging with seed bags. I expect about half the seeds that go into the second year to germinate then. Not sure if it takes 3 or 4 years as my patience runs out too soon.

Skip-you're going to really enjoy the Spikenard plants. They get big, and quickly too. They make for a jungle effect in the wild areas. Bird life loves them too. Mine are all laying on the ground now after freezing off two weeks ago.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

The Artist was.... Maurizio Cattelan

I don't know why it's so expensive.

It's just a banana with duct tape on it.

Oh! by the ways when does caterpillar season end?

There are a lot of skippers though.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Mars, can’t really say when caterpillar season ends. Different depending on where you are. Mine ends when the host plants freeze or the trees serving as hosts loose their leaves. Also depends on what butterfly or moth you are talking about. Some here just have two generations a year while some others go constantly during the growing season. I was very surprised to still find hornworms on the Jimsonweed today. Pretty big, so they should wander off to bury themselves soon.


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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I sowed A. nudicaulis last fall too, and mine also didn't germinate. I think they need to be sowed fresh or else it will take 2 years to germinate

Dandy, thanks for all the seeds. I haven't gone through mine yet. I told Toadshade to ship my Viola striata in spring, but it came today.

https://botanicallyinclined.org/seeds-shop/aralia-nudicaulis-buy-seeds/

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I did some seed collecting, got the Solidago puberula, Clethra alnifolia that was growing in upland clay woods, Baccharis halimifolia from a roadside, and stiff aster and liatris scariosa from my yard. I got some Fragaria virginiana seeds online too, I couldn't find the plants that were in my yard 2 years ago. Are you going to plant the Viola?

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I'll plant the violet tomorrow. Maybe direct sow a few seeds too. Those are all nice plants. The only one that would do well here is Ionactis. What do Baccharis flowers look like? I can't figure out if it's like Heterotheca hieraciifolia and has blooms that never open and and just turn into seed heads, or are the petals just thin?

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

I'm not sure what the flowers look like. I never notice the plants until they are completely covered in white fluff at the end of the year. Yes what look like flowers from the road are the seeds with the fluff.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Even when I google Baccharis halimifolia flowers, the only pictures that come up are the white fluff. Have you seen any Kentucky Coffee trees around there? Their flowers are unusual for a legume.

Gymnocladus dioicus, Kentucky Coffee Tree

Gynocladus dioicus, Kentucky Coffee Tree

I wish I had enough room to grow it.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

No I haven't noticed, there are some nearby on iNat.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

These are all the seeds that I ordered from Prairie Moon

Allium tricococcum

Brickellia eupatoroides

Chrysopsis villosa

Cirsium altissimum

Comandra ubellata

Cryptotaenia canadensis

Linaria canadensis

Linum sulcatum

Symphyotrichum oblongifolia

Taenidia integerrima

Carex buxbaumi

Carex muehlenbergii

Viola pedata

Viola pedafida.




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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Interesting list, had to look up most of them. Wonder how the hone wort will end up. Says it outcompeted garlic mustard and became a nuisance itself in one situation. Maybe once the black swallowtails find it, it will play nicer? I read one paper that found after 20 years in an area garlic mustard stops being so aggressive and allows other plants to move back in, but I guess that first 20 years is kind of tragic.

I was walking around my yard before, noticing which plants are loaded with seed, its going to be awesome when the plants start showing up around the neighborhood. I recently noticed a large field on my street that is owned by the township and is a wildlife habitat created with assistance by the NRCS, it is loaded with phragmites near the road though which is why I never looked at it closely. I parked next to it to look aroud but there were "no trespassing" signs, maybe I can volunteer with the town to help clean up that area and plant natives in there one day.

I saw some nice color at the local parks this weekend


If you have a little property, why wouldn't you want your backyard to look like this? Lawn-meadow-trees

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Yeah, I wish I had more land, but not for a conventional lawn. True, I see absolutely no point in just having a huge lawn. It's a sin how much land gets mowed and rendered almost useless to wildlife. I've been trying to grow the hone wort for a couple years with no luck. No luck with Thaspium, or Polytaenia either. They are all Apiaceae. No luck with Sium suave, Heracleum, or Cnidium either. I should see if there's a special way to germinate all these. The Zizia is easier and also hard to kill. Legume seeds can be difficult, but Apiaceae is worse. The Cryptotaenia canadensis seeds were a mistake. I already have a few of those. Oh well. I'm hoping to collect more Sium sauve seeds by Braidwood. It would be great if the native plant sales sold the entire Prairie Moon catalog lol. One of these days I hope to grow Erigenia bulbosa, Pepper and Salt. Does anybody have Mikania scandens, Climbing Hemp growing near them? Just curious, I don't need any. Nice pictures Skip! About how much Phragmites is there at the field?

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

phragmites

phragmites

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

Have good news! Two pupating caterpillars. They shrunk yesterday and now they are about to start the pupa. They are Long-tailed-Skippers. Y'all remember the photo i put? That caterpillar shrunk, and is beginning to pupate. Found a Black Cutworm yesterday. It was stool was yellow-greenish, is that normal? I don't know much about cutworms so i just kept him. Will the skippers attack that poor cutworm or spare him? I checked this morning and didn't see him. Iris, Long-Tailed Skipper season will end soon, I think. I heard that they pupate in November and December. Thing is that there are still TONS of little ones. And the adults came back. I thought they died! So are the eggs and little ones going to survive? Or will they die?

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Mars, cutworms come out of the ground at night to feed, and then go back underground. The frass, (stool) will be the color of what plant they are eating. When Monarch caterpillers are fed pumpkin their frass turns orange. We don't get long-tailed skippers up here.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Skip, that's a nice sized field. They don't mow it, do they? A pretty big stand of Phragmites too. Looks like a great project.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

Jay, If so, i'm going to have to put some dirt in the cage. The plant i found him on is a cowpea. He was hanging out with the skippers so i decided to take him. The wind blew my cage to the ground. Casualties: 1 Injured: 3. The little guy is a Black Cutworm(or something similar to that. it may be a subspecies?). Good thing is that he's not ugly. In Fact, Cute.

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Jay I went over to one of those iNat observations with my daughter since it was next to a park and a nice lake, but I couldnt find that vine. It was windy as hell last week maybe all the seeds dispersed already.

They dont mow the field regularly, not sure what their maintenance schedule is like. The parks people do controlled burns at times.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Skip, don't waste your time looking for Mikania. It's no big deal, and I don't want to grow it. Not showy enough. There's no medicinal use, even tho it's called hrmpvine. Iris might have some secretly growing in one of her 'jungles'.😆 Did any palm sedge survive? Once they get growing they can really spread. They could be useful in certain situations. There is the preserve close to me, but the farmer who leases it to the park district mows it. I remember it also being unmowed for a few years, and it was thick with dead material. I think they make hay with the clippings, tho they contain a lot of milkweeds, that are toxic. I wish they would start restoring it, and doing burns.

Stipules of Viola striata, with their distinctive serated teeth along their margins, Striped Cream Violet. Angel wings.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Cutworm dig aproximately 3 inches down.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

Okay Jay. I'll have to put a small pot in the cage then. But do they pupate underground? And the cutworm's stool looked transparent green-yellowish.

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

Skip, really nice pictures and colors. Have some nice colors here, but it seems the leaves drop really fast this year. My neighbors have already started shaping their few shrubs in perfect little balls and cubes. Also committed “crape murder”. These myrtles are about the only blooming thing they have on their 5 acres. Have not seen a single annual or perennial there. Sad. Jay, I am going to have to look up what you ordered. I wouldn’t be too surprised if I find a hemp vine in my yard. Weather continues to be weird. Guess it will be a rainy few days with “Eta” coming. My milkweed is blooming again.

Mars, what kind of garden are you working with? Did you plant things like the peas specifically to be host plants or was it a surprise caterpillars showed up on them?

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

Is that Asclepias perennis?

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Iris S (SC, Zone 7b)

It is. Come to think of it, not a single cat on these again this year.

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Jay 6a Chicago(5b/6a)

I found a cat on a maple.

Smokey has gotten smarter.😁

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

Okay, Pupa report: One pupa lost. Other pupa healthy.

Pic: of healthy one:

Iris, the cats showed up by themselves. First it was an unidentified caterpillar that eats roses and bites my skin off. Then a big fat Black cutworm. Gulf Frits. Giant Swallowtails. Silver-Spotted Skippers. And Finally Long-tailed skippers and another big fat black cutworm. That has been my caterpillar season this year. (So Far)

I saw someone on houzz that saw the same cat on his roses.

Link: Same cat

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

Did Y'all know that you can plant pineapple by cutting off the top and placing it in a container? That's what i did. It's getting big. Planting tropical plants is fun. You can plant bananas in zone 8 and i'm in zone 8b. My pineapple plant is growing really fast. I also have a guava sapling, and maybe a mango sapling. I also have some Pigeon Peas. And I have a passionfruit vine. All of those plants come directly from Puerto Rico

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Skip1909(7a New Jersey)

Where are pineapples and bananas native? It would be pretty cool to be walking through jungle or habitat where these fruits grow wild.

Dandy, I got your package, thanks! Some good stuff in here, I wanted to try gray dogwood.

I'm going to sow almost everything in milkjugs if appropriate, then pot up to the plug trays and other containers. I potted up a whole bunch of stuff that was left over in the plug trays and cleaned the trays out. I still have 11 more trays sitting out there with seeds and/or seedlings in them from last year.

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Mars SC Zone 8b Mars(Zone 8b)

Bananas are native Asia. And Puerto Rico. Star Fruit or Carambola is native to Puerto Rico. Pineapple i'm not sure. Passion Fruit is also native to PR. And the Maypop variety is native to the US including SC. Mangos grow well there and there native. Then Guava and Coconut are native to.

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