I can't find the source material right now thru googling, but I believe I've read it came about in roses in the 1920's when someone tried to graft some fruit trees onto rose roots..or maybe it was the other way round, and the virus passed from them to roses. I've also heard that any rose that has ever been grafted onto Dr. Huey, or propagated from one that has, all have the virus, and though the specific symptoms of the virus often don't show up, there could likely be a general weakening of plant as a result of it. As far as Europe...ehh. don't know for sure, but they are studying it in Turkey, Australia, and New Zealand, so I wouldn't think it being in Europe is unlikely.

I will miss all of my roses my old home but decided against digging them up post divorce! ;) This was my New Dawn climber that would just get so many blooms on it. It was truly a spectacle!

Ksgreenman that's an interesting idea about the fruit trees. I have always thought that fireblight which affects pear trees, is similar to RRD.

There are a number of roses that I miss and a few other things also. Ones I particularly liked that I miss are Orange Flower Circus/Orange Veranda, Too Hot to Handle, Plum Crazy, Chrysler Imperial, Pink Champagne, Pickering Nursery, Vintage Gardens, and the old, pink, heavily fragrant, once-blooming OGR that my parents had in their back yard that eventually died without a name because of some bad neighbors. Originally it was thought to be Seven Sisters, but that was not possible. It didn't look anything like Seven Sisters. I was told it might have been a damask, but after looking at the leaves on several damask roses, it didn't match that either. The closest I can come to what it looked like with the dark leaves that had a blue tint to them was Konigin von Danemark, but it may not have been that either, but I am suspecting some alba parentage. I wish I still had it. Someone might know who it was.

The_bustopher - that's terrible about your neighbors killing your rose. Why would anyone be that mean.

Melissa - awwww...I'm sorry about your divorce and about you losing that glorious rose! Sigh.

I have two roses that I let slip through my fingers that I really miss. Whicky Mac and Rasperberry Swirls

rosecanandian--thank you. I miss the roses more than the ex though! LOL And have already started with more roses in my new place.

Melissa - LOL ...gotcha! :)

I totally can relate to those who are missing a specific plant that has sentimental value. For me, it is not a rose, but a specific African violet that I had saved from my wedding (we used AVs as centerpieces for the wedding). The violet grew well for years, but sadly, this past winter I lost both my "heir and a spare" of that plant. I had even gone as far as sending backups of the plant to several other people, but sadly things happened over the years to their copies of it too, so it looks like that particular plant really is gone now.

Even though I was able to figure out what variety of AV it was (it was an Optimara) and got a new plant that looks just like it, it's not QUITE the same. There was something very special, in my mind, about having a "piece" of that original plant (even if it was just a clone of that plant instead of the original plant), and I will always regret that I couldn't save it.

Melissa, sorry about your divorce, but happy you are replacing the roses and building new memories with them.

Ken, I ordered Whisky Mac from Roses Unlimited this year and they might still have some of that one.

Also for anyone pining after Golden Buddha, I noticed it's back in stock at Rogue Valley at the moment.

For me the rose I miss the most is Bella Renaissance, which was a golden centerpiece and a continually blooming fountain for me for several years. She died in a drought even though I'd been watering regularly, and I've begged vendors to grow her but no luck. I had her from Pickering so that's out.

Cynthia

Oh, gosh. Where to start, right? I moved away from a garden on a triple lot and moved to a tiny single lot.

I regret leaving Ispahan behind. I ordered one for my current garden but received a mislabeled rose instead. I tried to locate another Ispahan, but at that time, it was sold out everywhere. I seemed to be eternally waitlisted, so I skipped it. Now I grow Botzaris and La Ville de Bruxelles.

I left 2 gorgeous plants of Rosa Moyesii behind. One was a glorious "tree." The other had been painstakingly espaliered. (And I mean PAINstakingly!) The espalier resembled a Chaenomeles. It was spectacular in full bloom!

I left historic and deliciously scented Rosa moschata behind. The real deal. Sigh. What was I thinking?

I left behind a super healthy, mature The Pilgrim. It was glorious and buttery. I so feel your pain, Melissa!

I am not a violent woman, but I left behind so many rare Vintage Gardens OGRs that I would eagerly travel back in time and beat myself up!

An interesting thread, KS Greenman. If we have no regrets, we have not truly lived (or gardened), yes?

Carol

Golden Buddha, hands down, as the one I miss the most. I was lost due to my mom accidentally knocking down the pot with the car. :(

I got a tiny Moyesii from Burling maybe 3 years ago. Not yet a tree here.

Concerning when did viruses first infect roses.

https://sites.google.com/site/firstappearanceofroseviruses/home

Granada, it was always the last to bloom in the fall.

Henry...finally LOL an article you show that I can understand. LOL Bad on me. This was very interesting! Thank you!

Summersunlight - what a shame that this happened to your wedding violets. Dang. :(

Jo - yikes....and she's your mom...so you can't really be mad...but it's a shame.

We had snow today! It fell down and melted. And tons and tons of rain!

I just wrote a huge story for it to get erased. Will try again later. I have to go to work. So sorry for all your roses missed as well as my own

Alana - that is so frustrating! Was it erased as you typed it or when you pressed Submit? Cause if it were the former...not much to do about that...but if it were the latter...try copying your text before you click on Submit?? Dang!

I copy everything before submitting, too, other Carol from Canada. We Carols are two great minds! :-)

That is so frustrating, Alana! You might try highlighting and copying the text before you hit the submit button (i.e., the Button to Nowhere). I started doing that a couple of years ago, and it has saved my sanity and prevented my daughter's learning all kinds of fresh swear words at her mother's knee!

Yes, we are! :)

I love your sense of humor, too!

Well, in past years I would have said Barcelona and Mme.A.Carriere, but due to the kindness of a couple of forum members I have replacements grown from cuttings! I miss Margo Koster as she was a replacement for one of the original planting in my old poly bed, Sugar Moon that I lost to some sort of gall as her fragrance and stamens are the best, Bloomfield Abundance as she's a rarity along with Ellen Poulsen and Flamenco Rosita. It was the worst year for my potted plants ever. I console myself with the knowledge that I didn't have any place to plant them or they wouldn't have been in pots, but I was really just hoping to grow them up first. I probably miss BA, EP the most as they will be difficult to replace.

I honestly am not sure what happened. Technology at it's finest.

I was giving a story . I am too tired to write it now. But a few I really miss are some I never got to know. Hence the story. Autoimmune acting up, bad potting mix, ect. But one I do miss is Christopher Marlowe. Wasn't the greatest, but sure miss his blooms! He was a bit of a octopus, lol. A few that were in the potting accident , which I will hopefully try again are petite de holland and Anais segalas.

Vaporvac--thank you! Onward and upward! My new home has the potential to grow more roses with a much bigger yard so it's a win for me in all areas. As soon as my driveway is completed I can figure out the rest of my garden scheme. Also want to try growing a few climbers on my detached garage.

Vaporvac - last year was the absolute worst year for my potted plants too. Let's hope for better this year! :)

Alana - yeah...I had bad potting mixes too. What a mess. Good wishes for this year!

Alana, someone recently posted pics of their Anais Segalas, so perhaps you could get a cutting and try again. I also had a bad mix from Kellogg's a couple of years ago and am sure that's why I lost my potted Margo Koster and why others remained stunted and barely survived being overwintered. This winter I put almost everything in my vestibule, but didn't see that after being in the 90sF the week before the temps were plummeting to 12F! I should have brought them all in. I truly feel this cold period damaged the small roots of the cutting and smaller potted plants and they slowing died from there even after I later moved them into my solarium. Over 70 plants lost. I don't consider most of those here as they were too small. I'm going to now add Reine des Violettes to this list as she seems to be another casualty. :-((

How too bad about those pots vapor and Carol. Wishing you much better this year. I have some 1 gal pots with roses I would like to up pot but I have run out of 2 gal pots. I wonder if a 1 gal to 5 gal is too big a jump?

You could just put in less soil. When the roots fill it, pop it out and add more soil to the bottom. I've done that also. : -))

You know, I never thought of that Vapor. I've done that with clematis where I planted deep and never filled in until Fall when the stems have hardened. I am 5-2 and I hate to think of the roses getting a complex because they were so deep in the pot they thought they were short. I'll consider that for sure though. I don't think a 5 gal would be hopelessly large and it could keep the rose cooler through hot Summer days.

Sheila - thanks for the sympathy. :) This year has got to be better...really couldn't get worse. LOL I don't know...I always pot my roses into their biggest pot right away so there's less disturbance overall. Is that good? I don't know. :)

Vaporvac - you're a genius!!!

Karl Herbst would be my old time favorite, purchased from
Earl May circa 1986, although I am not sure that is was Karl Herbst. It was one of my few ventures into exhibiting a rose, and I had no idea what I was doing, when we put it in a beer bottle at the Iowa State Fair, and left to enjoy slow cooked lamb, pork, and what have you. We returned a few hours later to the floriculture building. I could not find my red display rose. The other ones were where we left them. They moved my red rose to the table of honor, as best red. It was my 1st year growing roses.

In the late 1990s I bought two roses from a different vendor marked Karl Herbst that resemble my original only somewhat in color, and not in form. I still have them. I should buy another Karl Herbst from a different vendor because I don't know what I have now, or what I had then.

I see other “The Pilgrim” people posting here. My spouse
likes it. I have had The Pilgrim since the mid-1990s. It was not in my main bed.
It was in a bed that went to weeds, and The Pilgrim was decimated by crown gall. It hasn’t bloomed now for 5-10 years. I dug it up with the rest of that pathetic garden this spring (the other plants were iris). What remained of The
Pilgrim after years of neglect were two tiny plants with no crown gall. I
planted them in a container. It is growing rapidly, now. Wish now I planted the
two in separate pots. They now will be forever joined. I expect to see if it is
still “The Pilgrim” in about 2-3 weeks. I like The Pilgrim, but it was usually just a one-time bloomer, which I did not like. With Japanese Beetles I should adjust my attitude, but I am still mad at the beetles.

I miss the old roses that can't be found, like Geranium red and Pink chiffon. Both have amazing scents, and compact as own-root for pots. Neither survive my zone 5 winter, I should had kept them in pots & protected inside my garage.

I almost got Geranium Red (soooo pretty) from Rogue Valley I think a few years ago. Wouldn't have mattered...every plug I got from them died. Not their fault.

Of all the roses I have loved and lost, which are many for one reason or another, the ones I miss the most are Charles de Mills and The Reeve.

My wife has said that she is ok with eventually getting a replacement for Charles de Mills, but has pretty much made it clear that if I am going to get any other roses it is going to cost me a pound of flesh.

Abraham Darby :(

Brandon - that made me laugh. :)

I miss my Frederic Mistral so much. what a beautiful scent is had. Diane

I have no previously grown roses that I miss. I’m a glutton and have already re-purchased everything I want!

Ok, I sort of miss the HT Honor, and I’ve only not re-purchased it because PJPII and Sugar Moon overall have more to offer. But if I had endless room, I’d get Honor, too, and also Garden Party.

Diane - Oh my goodness!!!! Both the close-up and the bush shot are amazing!!!! Glorious!!!

Diane: I miss my Frederic Mistral too (most vigorous rose ever !!), but it's a water-hog and doesn't survive after three zone 5 winters. I intend to buy The McCartney Rose to replace it, but not sure how well TMR lasts in the vase compared to Fred. Below is a bouquet of Fred before he died in my zone 5. Left pink is Evelyn. Right blooms are Fred.

That bouquet is gorgeous, straw. I agree that Fred is cold sensitive. I grew him for about 10 years, and the winter of 2016-17 was a killer (probably more like your typical zone 5 winter-ha). Fred was killed down almost to the graft, as was Jude the Obscure (that's 9 feet of rose wiped out). The next summer, Jude showed his toughness and grew right back to about four feet (now is about 8 feet), but Fred could only muster one cane which produced one bud that never opened. I removed him at the end of the summer because I wasn't patient enough to see if he's grow more the next summer. Abe Darby grows in his place, and that rose has been a disappointment to me as an own root. Diane

I miss Celsiana, which died when I moved it. (I didn't realize how big it would grow). As soon as it died I began to have vivid memories of its distinctive and cheerful bloom. I have even less room than I did then, so I am going to give a new one to a friend who has a new garden. I ordered one this spring, but it died. Damn! And they were sold out. It must need extra TLC. If it grows in her garden she can take a picture and send it to me and I will be happy.

Other roses I have had which died -- I don't miss them because I don't want to relive the painful memory of their demise -- such as the April snowstorm that killed about 10 them -- or the awful crown gall ... but enough!

believe it or not I picked up a Whisky Mac at Home Depot last year in a body bag. I was so surprised when I found it! It’s doing well. I moved and left behind a Happy Child rose - it took it about 5 years to settle down and stop throwing out octopus arms. I just don’t have the patience to live thru that again but it was such a good little yellow rose.

Now that I've had time to think about other roses than the obvious one of my grandmother's City of York, here's a list of five roses that I've lost or removed due to disease problems. If someone ever manages to breed look-alikes with BS resistance, I might just make an entire garden of nothing but those five roses.

Brass Band
French Lace
Intrigue
Medallion
Peace

In my opinion, these are some of the most beautiful roses created in the last 75 years. But they are DOGS in my no-spray garden. Still, I miss them.

John

My project, now that I am recently retired, is to make cuttings of all of my ultra-rare now out-of-commerce roses. Since some of you mentioned them, Geranium Red and Pink Chiffon are two of them. Others off the top of my head are Westminster Pink and Flora Danica and Butter Cream. There are others. My goal is to spread them around to preserve them.

Peace was the most beautiful shrub in my last house of acidic clay (20 years ago). The color glowed & best yellow ever. It didn't survive my zone 5 winter. I also grew Brass Band back then .. it was short & bloomed constantly. Intrigue had a fantastic spicy scent, most BS-prone but it's worth it for the amazing scent.

Straw - my fave in your bouquet is you Evelyn blooms!!! Oh my!!! The color and the amount of petals...superb!! :)

Monarda - the pictures I've seen of Celesina have been sooo beautiful!! I can see why you miss that beauty!!

John - I'm proud of you for not spraying.

Susan - what a great project and goal!! The world needs more people like you! :)

Straw, beautiful!! how do you condition your roses so that your bouquets last long?

Low-phosphorus & high potassium and high calcium helps with FIRM PETALS and long-lasting blooms. We had hot & dry weather in August & Sept. so I tested high phosphorus SOLUBLE MG for roses at NPK 18-24-16 .. it was disappointing with Evelyn canes became slender like thin wires, plus elongated canes, plus smaller blooms, and Evelyn blooms went from 5 days in the vase to only 2 days !! I reversed the damage by topping with solid bio-char (65% calcium and 10% potassium), plus topped with horse manure (for trace elements & more calcium & potassium). Evelyn's blooms in Oct are larger & firm petals which last 5 days in the vase. Below is Evelyn when I tested sulfate of potash & gypsum (calcium sulfate) during hot & dry.

Utter perfection!!!