I wish I could show you some pictures, but unfortunately I'm still trying to source Annie Laurie McDowell and Lynnie. SOMEDAY I'll grow these roses!

Ohh K S I am also hopping to find a source for these roses. They look so wonderful, I wish

they were available.

I am still waiting, waiting and waiting. Shiela, they are gorgeous .

Wow wow Sheila she is fantastic. I am really hopping I can get one. She is lovely and girly and according to what I have read on older threads very carefree and healthy. Where did you get yours? I can’t find it. How old is your plant? She has so many blooms on such a small plant.

Plumeria are you waiting to get one also?

I was working in the gardens all day yesterday but took my lunch break to read about Kim Rupert. It sounds like it is going to be difficult, but maybe not impossible, to find any of his roses. Most were offered in the Ventura Rose Societies annual January auction where he donated them. They also resided, at least at one time, at the San Jose Historical Rose Garden. Ashdown Roses apparently sold them at one time but I believe they are gone now. I wonder if Paul Barden used any in his breeding? I think Tom Carruth was one of Kim's mentors but don't know that they ever used any of his roses either. Kim lost most of his Santa Clarita gardens when they put in a new highway and I don't think he ever went back to hybridizing. Your best bet would probably be to put out a want for cuttings from someone who might be willing to share any they might have. However a lot of roses from small breeders and even in public gardens get replaced by newer roses because potential rose buyers like to see the newer offerings in person before they buy or just like to do comparisons. I'm trying to think of anyone who is near San Jose but it eludes me right now.

Thank you Ikayetwvz5,

I may have to see if anyone will be willing to share if I can't buy it. Angel gardens have it listed but out of stuck. Thank you very much, this seems like a rose that should be in more gardens.

Another way might be to try and contact the Ventura County Rose Society and see if any of their members might have Kim's roses. Jeri Jennings who posts on here (can't remember her actual post name - Jeri?) set up a garden for Ventura County which had old roses that were from the time of the settling of Ventura County which is not what you are looking for but she might know who the current members are.

I got mine from Burling. I think RosePetals should start carrying it. Apparently ALM roots easily but is slow growing making it hard to grow for sale.

I think Jeri might have left the forum. Hopefully, she will come back.

Thank you Sheila for such wonderful pictures. I have sent Burling a message through the website. I mentioned I would be willing to get any size, even if it is super tiny =). Ill keep my fingers crossed.

Dianela keep us in the loop. I would also be willing to get any size, no matter how tiny or slow. I got some bitty guys from HCR last year, ALM could just hang out with them in the baby section!

Sheila that is just heartbreakingly gorgeous! (Heartbreaking because my budded "maiden" didn't make it last year).

Someone above mentioned that they don't think that Kim is hybridizing roses anymore. I don't think that's true, but he might jump onto this thread and clarify that for us. Dianela, please do let us know if you find anyone who is going to start offering ALMcD!

ALM

Dianela, I am hoping Kim will see this thread. Yes, i been waiting but it grows best on a rootstock. So, i am on waiting . Mine would be done on a Fort by Dr. Manners. I am hoping to buy 2 so i can send one to another forum member who lives in Fl.

ALM looks so pretty and so yummy. Beautiful pics

Thank you! Burling currently listsLynnie, Little Butterfly and Too Cute as in stock and available RIGHT NOW. Malcolm Manners has Annie Laurie McDowell and intends, I believe, to bud some to sell as his plant sales at the college. Otherwise, no one produces nor sells it. No, Tom Carruth has not been my 'mentor'. He is a friend. Paul may or may not have bred anything using any of my roses. I have no idea. And, yes, I continue pimping pollen here on the Central California Coast, surrounded by strawberry, lettuce, gladiolus, artichoke fields and pot growers, nine miles from the Pacific!

Oh, and here are some of the later seedlings. http://pushingtheroseenvelope.blogspot.com/2019/10/a-few-windy-saturday-seedlings.html And, http://pushingtheroseenvelope.blogspot.com/2019/09/a-few-more-new-seedlings.html And, more after the initial Grey Pearl photos. http://pushingtheroseenvelope.blogspot.com/2019/09/pretties-some-new-some-old.html

Ahhh so you are roseseek! It's been decades since I left the Santa Clarita valley, Valencia/Newhall and Canyon Country to be specific. I'm glad you are still fiddling with the pollen and added this great info!

dianela if you can source her let me recommend you keep her well protected. I was unable to keep her here just south of Nashville. You are probably 100 miles south of me, so a little warmer but not much. Winters here were really hard with a lot of die back--each year getting a little weaker. I did have some early success against a stone chimney that must have radiated some heat and likely kept things a few degrees warmer in the winter, as well as provided some wind protection. I moved her to a better spot (to my thinking) not realizing how much the chimney was doing and the decline began each year.

You might be able to grow her, but really think about where you will place her and how you're going to protect her. She is definitely worth the effort!

Hi Kim, OMG HOW did I not notice that Burling had Lynnie?! I just got a box from her with Contrast, Saturnia, and Federico Casas! (Smacking myself upside the head right now).

P.S. that "small climber" Apricot Twist x Lamarque looks really interesting! I've been wondering if small climbers could find a real niche in modern gardening, given people's space constraints.

I am having trouble posting pics today, but I will try again - here is a pic of Kim's Lauren. It is the purple one lurking behind the Peach Drift, which is a tree rose. Funny story - I planted Lauren (at Kim's recommendation when it was new) beneath the PD tree rose, in sort of a circle of small polyanthas which I thought would look cute surrounding the tree rose. Ha! As you can see, Lauren has grown much taller than the tree rose! I like to let roses do what they want to do, so I am leaving it alone. It has mingled its blooms with those of PD, and looks pretty.

Jackie

Here is a pic of the blooms of PD and Lauren mingling:

Is Lauren fragrant? And is it available anywhere? That is a beautiful shade of purple!

Thank you! Lauren has some scent, but it's a combination of plant and flower types. I only really noticed it when collecting pollen from the blooms. To my knowledge, no one is propagating Lauren at this time, which is a shame as it roots like a weed! It is very much what the Louis Lens Nursery would term a "hybrid multiflora", but which the rest of us who don't care about proper identification call "hybrid musks" or polyanthas. It could also be called a "Lambertiana". When it seemed to only grow short and bushy, it was a polyantha. Then, my plant went nuts and grew to over 5' tall and more like Jackie's began surfacing, so what you should expect probably depends upon your climate, conditions and how sharp your clippers are. K S, I'm jealous! Saturnia is my all time favorite Pernetiana! And, I've loved most of the ones I've grown. Saturnia just had the best combination of everything to my eye. Yes, your thoughts of smaller climbers being useful in smaller gardens had occurred to me, too and I wanted to see what Lamarque might be able to produce. Because my Lamarque is the virus indexed, historic and appropriate to my geographical area, Atmore Lamarque, I particularly wanted to play with it. Digging pollen out of those flowers is only equaled by digging it from Annie Laurie McDowell's! There are just too many petals! But they both smell SO GOOD! I have just transplanted the Apricot Twist X Lamarque from being trapped in its two gallon can into a seven gallon (release the kraken!) to see what it might do. Some of these Tea things are really slow to get started but, like ugly ducklings, they seem to improve each season.

I just adore fragrant roses -- this little climber (well, MAYBE little) sounds like it could be fabulous! I hope you keep us posted on its progress!

Be still my heart. Jackie, your last photo of Lauren and PD is how I want my garden to look. No fungal diseases to worry about in this dry climate, so it's possible, when the roses cooperate. That is a mouth watering combination.

Sheila, your Annie blooms are like big fluffy powder puffs. She looks like a prolific bloomer. I wish I could grow her here.

flowersaremusic - thanks. In my garden, I tend to let the roses do what they want to, and sometimes that means that they climb through each other (w/o and planning whatever by me) - here is a pic of 'Buff Beauty', 'Summerwine' (Kordes, 1985), and a clematis I can't remember the name of:

P.S. HMF says both of the above roses are hardy to zone 5b.

Jackie

Jackie, that looks like heaven to me. Is that a picket fence they're on? I'm trying to do the same thing with a few climbers that are just starting to mingle. Dortmund, Moonlight (Kordes cl.), SdlM cl., Mme Isaac Pereire and a few others. I love the profusion of colors. When mine get to where yours are, I'll feel I have arrived.

Not a picket fence. There is a an old fence between us and the neighbors' ancient & very ugly garage, which is VERY close (maybe 2 feet) from the lot line. If you look at the pic, you can see the top of it, and lower down, the beige siding. I planted the roses on purpose so as to not have to look at it.

Jackie

You couldn't have chosen a more beautiful screen. If only neighbors had our aesthetics! They rarely do.

Lauren has been on my list of “Must Have, Can’t Get” roses for quite some time. I have fallen in love with it in pictures and descriptions, but can’t seem to get my hands on it. Lol. Perhaps some day someone will start propagating it again, or I’ll be able to beg a cutting. :)

I wish I could remember who asked me if it was OK for them to supply Mindy at Hummingbird Roses with cuttings of Lauren and several other of my roses. Of course, I gave permission. Unfortunately, I don't see them listed on her site, but what the heck? Email her and create some "draw". I receive no royalties or anything from them and if someone wants to offer them, then DO it. Perhaps this might help her get them propagated? Good luck. Hummingbird Roses.

Lol. Thank you. :) I have done as you suggested. Hopefully with enough demand someone will propagate it.

You have created some lovely roses. It is a shame they are not more widely available. Perhaps that will change as enough people show interest.

Thank you. Keep your fingers crossed.

Kim, it was me that asked you if I could share with Mindy cuttings but it was of Lynnie. Unfortunately so far my Lynnie has been stalwart for several years under not great conditions but hasn't grown big enough to take cuttings. I still have hopes of her and will be sending Mindy a bunch more cuttings this season. I have a request for cuttings of Lauren myself from a friend since I can't find her anywhere. I'll keep you posted if that works out and I can pass along anything to Mindy over the years.

Thanks for the permission as well as the terrific roses you have bred.

Cynthia

Thank you, Cynthia! Mind like a steel sieve and all...