@pds290 thank you!

Yes there are 2 entrances

the door near the 2 lounge chairs is off of the living/dining (more so dining room)

the door in the middle blocked by a table is off of a den that I plan to put in a pool table. that would be nice if the room coming from that area is open and not blocked

The area by the picket fence is a bedroom window

I think I have too much crap back there as well trying to fill the space

another poster also recommended having furniture facing the yard

I‘ve been thinking about removing that fence!

would You also suggest removing the shrubbery and roses in front of the patio??

FYI you can see the pictures clearer if you click on them and blow them up @partim

thank you For your suggestions!!

My first thought was to swicth the dining area with the seating area, maybe a sectional for seating where you have the chairs now if that spot makes more sense for seating. Does the pation run behind the pickett fence ? You could do a rect. dining table and have 6 chairs that rug is way too small

Yes, I am clicking on them. These are much better, thanks. What is on the far side past the dining area? Combine the 2 seating areas into one as @pds290 suggested. Are you just looking for tweaks of your existing, or planning to buy new furniture? Please show is what is behind the fenced area? Is there a reason for the fence i.e. don't want people walking down from there? I'd move the roses to open up the other side to the lawn. How comfortable are the dining chairs? The arms don't look comfy but can't tell from a photo.

Here is a suggestion based on the assumption that the right side door is the kitchen. Even better if you gave us the size of the patio and where the doors are. Are you looking to entertain a small crowd or just a few people more comfortably?

Thank you for the drawing!! Definitely a cleaner look!

I tried to take better pictures again :/

I am willing to change any of the furniture!!! The 2 seats came from a smaller patio I had in the past, the table was something I grabbed from Walmart for a quick BBQ and the teak bench I purchased on FB for $50 ....

I would like the space to be used to entertain a few people more comfortably....larger groups are more infrequent (only because I can’t get it the way I want it!!!)

I would like it to be inviting enough as an option dine regularly given the year round great weather, sit and work on laptop if desired, sit and read a book...

right now I feel that I am wasting good space

What are the distances of the colored arrows? Which door do you exit if you are serving food from the kitchen? Is the bench-side window the kitchen?

Nice place. Great potential. Not a fan of the bulbs-on-wire string lighting. Light over table could work but you might want to experiment with different/interesting colors of bulbs. Alternately, a small ceiling fan could cool the space by adding a breeze on a hot evening.

Remove all the plants from the dining table. They should be in hanging baskets or atop a "sofa table" or "bookshelf" on each end of the space -- not in the way within it. If you have neighbors on both sides, your plants could add a bit of a privacy screen without closing off the space. Avoid clutter.

On a porch, people, generally, would prefer not to sit facing the house -- unless, perhaps, they're busy eating. At the very least, swap the positions of your chair and sofa (or have them face each other rather than the house -- perhaps moving the sofa back to within a couple feet of the end of the porch -- making adding a sofa table behind it for your potted plants (in matching pots) a good fit.

Let us know how your project turns out.

Consider removing the railing or moving it to the ends of the porch opening the wider space -- enable people to move about between yard and porch easier.

@partim I just wrote an entire post that didn’t go through!! Thank you again!

Here are the measurements

red 90

blue 100

green 255

purple 118

Currently the door on the Left from great room is most used

once I convert den with pool table etc that exit may be more used

so potentially either sliding door can be used as you can enter both rooms from the kitchen

the window over the bench is a bedroom

the kitchen is in front of the house

you can also go through the kitchen to get to the grill on the side of the house (through a garage or bathroom door)

see pic to make sense

I think I gave you a lot of information when your questions was likely placement of table on patio :/

So here are the spaces you have to put furniture and decor items. The traffic paths are in yellow and should be no smaller than 3 feet, preferably 4.

Start by moving some of your existing furniture into these spaces and see how it feels. Use the chairs near the grill too, just to get an idea of whether you like the spaces.

As someone said earlier, chairs should face the yard, or towards the center of the patio.

For decor items, less is more, at least until you have your basic furniture, rugs etc in place. Remove them for now.

I don't mind the picket fence and it may make your area feel more cosy. But you need a "door" to the grill area to get from grill to table easily.

Your 9'10" width is about right for a 3' wide table, and 3'5" for chairs on each side. Don't crowd it by putting things along that side, you will need it for people to pull their chairs out and move easily. If you buy a pretty big table, say 6', with chairs on either end too, that will take up 13'. That leaves you with less than 8', not enough for a sitting area. Either buy a shorter table or concentrate your outdoor living room space at the other end.

Ok I moved some things around with what I have, still cluttered with a lot of plants

I Like the simpler layout, everything facing the yard, dining on the other end and clean up the middle. Thank you!!

I realize that the furniture and decor (while ok) is not at all my style, it’s old fashioned and Boho..,, I think I played into the picket fence

I want more modern and sophisticated, cozy, inviting

Inspiration photos

following

Have you considered moving the metal table and chairs to the outdoor kitchen where it will be less likely than a wood table to be damaged should the cook need to quickly set down a hot item.

What kind of traffic flow do you want between your back porch sitting area and the outdoor kitchen? How do you want that space to be used?

Suezbell, I am open to ALL ideas

yes, the plan was to move the metal table to the grill once I purchased a new set

I’m going to see about removing the picket fence today

@partim I think we posted at the same time!! I was posting the pics of moving furniture around while you were suggesting the same

Furniture ideas welcome

If you rotate the chairs 45 degrees, the there would be more room at the door and no one would have their back to the view.

Great spacious yard with lots of potential! Although I am not a big fan of hard scape, I think if you connected the porch and pool area by removing the plantings and fence and poured concrete it would be quite inviting. The fencing and plantings confine the space in my opinion.

Ok — removed that picket fence and 1 rose bush. I can see some potential. Seems to look better without a lot of clutter and plants if I want a more modern look. put a simple rectangular table on the end, bench and chairs on the other, clear the middle

It's getting better. The stuff is less which makes it better. You can have plants, but instead of having 12 little pots, have 3 great big pots. I struggle with this myself. I'd rather find a bargain pot for $7, and then another, and then another, and then jam them together and wonder why they look cheap and junky. I have to force myself to spend $50 on a big pot which I know looks much better.

Somebody above said less is more. That's very true. Have a few quality pieces rather than a quantity of cheap pieces.

You've got a pretty yard.

I don’t think I ever showed the 2 Angles of that pathway .., still safe to get rid of those roses Along the brick?

Just had someone come by and toss all those small plants!!

This end is supposed to have the table

these chairs seem too large when I try to have them face each other and use a bench

I could put these back at the other end, but facing the yard or put them somewhere else

Ok I’m going to sit on this project until I see more patio furniture that I like

This is the style I think I want ...elegant and cozy ....

In my view, rose flowers are pretty but many rose bushes are not attractive landscape shrubs. They are leggy and bare at the bottom, and don't have a pretty shape. Hybrid tea roses, for example. They are fine in a dedicated rose bed, but not for landscaping. I'd remove them. Maybe you know someone who wants them? A rose fancier would be happy to take them off your hands.

Now that the picket fence is remove, I’m working on the roses. I’ll still remove everything not on the perimeter.

what do you think is more inviting, rattan or teak ... would you do a round table or rectangular... on the way to creating a great space!

My design skills are horrible!!

Rattan vs teak is just a matter of personal preference. I'd sit on them to see which are more comfortable.

Ok I see some inspiration pics based on the layout!

Ok I’ve had some more time to look at the space

I have so much wall space at one end that I’m thinking I should put the bench/couch set up on that end

the other option if I use That end for the table is to bring the table closer towards the center, otherwise it’s look very far away

there May actually be enough space to put both set ups comfortably on that end and a couple chairs on the shorter end

I never even thought about using the closed part of the sliding door as wall space

Ok I definitely want this table to maybe put in the center of the patio

will it be too overwhelming to also use this sectional at one end

trying to decide on L-shape Sectional vs love seat and 2 chairs

I want area to be more inviting and used