Did I make a mistake with Madame Plantier?

5 years ago

So in 2018 I bought a Madame Plantier from Dave Austin's website. Perfectly healthy, did just fine in the ground, no flowers the first year (which I expected with it being a once bloomer).
So fast forward to a couple days ago, I go around the garden and hard prune all my roses including Madame Plantier. She's my only once bloomer and I have never had experience with them. Plus I'm still fairly new to gardening in my mind. It occurred to me I shouldn't have trimmed her (I did trim her less intense than the others).
I'm afraid she won't bloom now, did I mess up by pruning her?

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oldrosarian

5 years ago

Madame Plantier does tend to droop. Mine is against a shed wall. Because her canes are bendy, one needs to be careful where you plant her. But I think she would be sturdier in cold winter climates. One of the best OGRs for LOADS of flowers. Doesn't like my PNW rain.

If I take three pictures of a rose, then it really is a favourite of mine. Just love the rose red buds.

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smithdale1z8pnw
5 years ago
I prune my once bloomers after flowering, you may not get many blooms. She gets such a nice shape on her own that I just trim the strayers & prop up floppy ones. She's a big girl & I love her. Her blooming period is very long for a once bloomer. She's poised to move into my large Japanese quince, can't wait.
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
5 years ago
You won't get as many flowers. I'm hardly pruning my roses for the first couple of years since we have cold winters. I want to see what they're capable of first. I hope you see some flowers at least. Please post pics if you do. I'm rooting one at the moment and am praying its little roots make it.
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I think yours is probably mislabeled Mendocino. I went out to specifically check for thorns on my plant, which is blooming now, and saw a few, non-obtrusive ones, but only down low on the plant. You could cut a bucket of flowers and not find a thorn anywhere near a flower (and actually, I did, and it won in the OGR bouquet category at last week's Cal Coastal Rose Soc. show in Carlsbad). I would think this rose would be easy to train if only you have a big enough space to start with and you kept after it -- the new canes are prolific and are mostly from the base of the plant and very lax. It would be nice flattened along a fence, but I don't think these canes would be long enough to go over the top of an arch. Mine is about 6 feet tall by 5 feet wide and is in a place where it hides an old tool shed from the rest of the yard, and it does an admirable job of that -- so I just let it sprawl there.
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Embothrium
5 years ago
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Annual hard pruning is for modern bedding roses that don't have any structural interest or gracefulness anyway, bloom on new growth. Whereas the 'Plantier' will not come unto its own unless grown as a shrub, that is allowed to build up an arching top that becomes a fountain of flowers in season.
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
5 years ago
I never touch mine.
kali_deere
Original Author
5 years ago
thanks everyone! I regret that I won't have many blooms but at least the plant looks exceptional and healthy. she seriously is the healthiest looking rose in my garden currently.
also perhaps a silly question, but I grow primarily hybrid teas and I just started getting some climbers - should I not be pruning these kinds very much?
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
5 years ago
No. Where are you again? Unless you're somewhere warm, I wouldn't prune for at least a couple of years except to dead-head and direct growth, perhaps cutting back the laterals after bloom if they get too long. In general, just cut back the dead wood even after that unless you get growth year-round. Some climbers bloom on old AND new wood, so you also don't want to get rid of the old wood. I just let mine build up, but I want them BIG and I can get die-back if I don't zone up.
kali_deere
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5 years ago
Sheila your roses are gorgeous, I hope mine end up even half as pretty. I recently got into gardening so this will be my third year. hoping to see some big leaps this year.
vaporvac you always have the best advice - I live in central Massachusetts so 6a, so pretty darn cold lol. weird, my user name used to have my zone and state attached, probably Houzz's constant annoying updates got rid of it lol
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
5 years ago
Sometimes the Zone doesn't appear with a comment but on my email notification for some people. In fact sometimes that's a different name! Also I've read it depends if you are going through whose or the gardenweb. I don't know I'm sorry for asking all the time I changed mine and I noticed it doesn't show up. Also one can only change one's name twice a year so since I always keep trying to do it I figure I'm time's up on twice a year! LOL!

So, based on that I would say only take out the Deadwood on your climbers until maybe the third year. That is what I'm doing to mine. Coriana California how to prune hers in the first year but she has magic soil and the perfect ecology and environment for Roses apparently. I'm sure in her third year for yard looks mature instead of struggling like mine. :-) I'll edit this when I get home. Sorry.
kali_deere
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5 years ago
vaporvac ah I wish my gardens weren't so scraggly looking. but I feel this is the year. Going to mulch everything, put up some garden edging and get all the plants in my 'pot ghetto' planted
also no worries about asking! I can't ever remember people's name or anything haha
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
5 years ago
If my cuttings don't make it, I may just have to break down and get her.... what a dreamof a rose!

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