Linear drain size for curbless shower
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Basic Curbless shower - linear drain - what it looks like?
Comments (7)"So there has to be space for a "pool" somewhere around the drain whether you use a center regular drain or a linear drain." Yes. No matter what your design, or what type of drain you install, there are pretty much two basic requirements: 1) the shower floor area needs to be sloped towards the drain at a min pitch of 1/4" per foot and a max of 1/2" per foot. 2) With the drain plugged and with a 2" standing depth of water over the drain, waterproofing needs to contain the pooled water from intruding in to the non-waterproofed areas of the house. "In the diagram I included above, if the linear drain were recessed to meet the 1/4 inch per foot of run, then it would be okay but that gets us back to seeing that a linear drain requires being recessed just like a regular drain. " Correct. For your depiction above with no changes to the drain elevation, let's say you install the drain "as is". The floor to the right of the drain that is in the shower would need to pitch to the drain at 1/4" per foot, so the floor tile at the right wall would be elevated 1-1/8" (4.5' times 1/4" per foot) above the drain. If the bathroom floor to the left of the drain was flat (as it is in the drawing), you'd have to install a 2" vertical curb at the bathroom doorway. Your wall-mounted toilet and vanity protect those items. You'd then have to waterproof the entire floor and run the waterproofing detail up the walls several inches. Let's say you want to keep your bathroom floor flat with no curb at the bathroom/bedroom door threshold. Here are a couple of examples of how you could account for the required 2" vertical. In new construction they are easy to accomplish, in remodeling maybe not so easy: 1) drop the floor in the shower 2" below the bathroom floor by shaving down or dropping the floor joists. Then reverse the direction of the floor slope in your shower so it slopes down from left-to-right. Your trench drain will now be at the right wall. With your bathroom floor "flat", you'll have a curbless entry at the bathroom/shower floor transition. The shower floor will slope down to the drain at a little under 1/2" per foot of slope, about 7/16th" per foot to achieve the 2" drop over the 4-1/2' or run. 2) Keep the drain where it is in the drawing and the slope as depicted, from right-to-left. Add a 2" curb at the shower entry. Not curbless, but a 2" curb. 3) A hybrid of the two previous examples. Add a 2" step up at the shower door entry, then have the floor slope away from the shower entry towards the right wall, with the trench drain on the right wall. You'll have a 2" step up but then the floor will slope down within the shower. One note: Even if you did a true curbless like in example #1, I extend waterproofing out of the shower and on to the bathroom floor for several feet. You need to account for not just the physical size of the potential pool of water, but also the wicking and capillary action that will pull water away from the pool....See MoreIs a linear drain for a curbless shower every really necessary?
Comments (8)Thanks so much. I now understand so much better. Our foundation is "pier and beam" but as you indicate, that is still probably not or may not be a simple task to lower. But now I see that if there is a linear drain and you luck out with the door to the shower in the right place relative to the joists, the linear drain can very likely simplify the task (in addition to making things look sleeker). Our shower will be 5 X 5 which means the slope would be even easier to implement without obvious detection. Though I now see why some documentation I've read indicates a "secondary drain" outside the shower is nice to have. If the water in the shower overflows past the linear drain into the room, the secondary drain can cover that but then with the secondary drain, you are faced with needing to slope the floor in the main part - i.e. lowering joists or maybe finding a place between joists - another engineering task. I also now see why what shower fixtures are chosen and how to implement makes a difference here. If your fixtures (i.e. running hand held plus standard shower head plus rain shower simultaneously) allow for a LOT of water simultaneously, then the likelihood of linear drain not being able to handle it all increases, thus likelihood of water going into main part of bathroom increases (if there is no curb or door that will stop it). If you have a recessed center (regular) drain) in your curbless shower, then the recess can be like a shallow bowl that can hold some of that water before it runs out of shower. Hmmm - lots to think about....See MoreLinear drains in curbless showers
Comments (31)My goodness. This thread has gone off the deep end. First of all, simultaneous water sources are not allowed in CA. One at a time only. And even if I could, I wouldn't. I conserve water at every opportunity. I know that until very recently Texas was in a severe drought so I hope you only recently started wasting water with "SUPER long" showers and multiple water sources. These days this kind of behavior is frowned upon in much of the country even when there isn't a drought condition. None of the surfaces in the renderings are true. I said the colors are "generic" meaning don't pay attention to any of that. Maybe that wasn't clear but there is no wood in the bathroom so it's not a concern. As for completely undoable, you guys have lost your minds in terms of the drainage needed. There is one showerhead with a full four foot long linear drain under it. And for the next four feet away from the drain there is a downward slope aimed at that drain at 1/2" per foot for a total of 2" rise. The entrance to the shower is another good foot or two away from where the slope even begins. There is no way water from a low flow showerhead is going to travel four feet uphill, then traverse another foot or two of flatland and then follow that by making a sharp right turn to exit the shower. Not. Going. To. Happen. At least not on the planet Earth. I don't need two drains. I was not questioning if the shower design was OK. I was questioning whether or not a certain type of linear drain could be used in this design because the manufacturer's verbiage was unclear. I have spoken to Quickdrain and they assured me that the TileIn drain and WallDrain will be fine with this design. And these are their least capable linear drains. I suppose there is a question about whether or not code requires the entire floor surface to be sloped but the people working on my house have done curbless showers (one guy was brought in specifically to do the shower floor and drain because he is a curbless specialist) and they don't see an issue. I will still ask my inspector when I see him to be sure. I might actually prefer the entire surface to slope back towards the wall and away from the door just so that the floor of the shower is seamless. I hadn't considered that option but if I do it, it would be for aesthetic reasons not because what I have will not contain the water....See MoreLinear drain in the center of a curbless shower OK?
Comments (5)You are not going to notice the floor slope whether it is all in one direction or comes from both sides to the center. As for whether you put the drain at one end or in the center, I think either would work. The only points I will make are that: 1) If a curbless shower is to be used by someone with a wheel chair, it would be better to have the drain at the far end from the entrance so it doesn't keep getting rolled over repeatedly. 2) if you have a drain in the center, then you have to only provide half as much difference in height for the slope to the drain compared to having the drain at one end. This can be important with curbless shower installations if there are framing or foundation problems that restrict how much you can lower the shower floor compared to the bathroom floor....See Moreinteriorgroupie
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