Kitchen design advice for small awkward layout in 1900 farmhouse
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Comments (32)It's not really what I would consider either Victorian or Farmhouse, more like Gothic Tudor, but it's nice. I called it Victorian because I live in a gold rush town and there are tons of houses labeled as Victorian that have the exact same exterior shape. The Gothic and Tudor influences are our own, although I have found examples of those styles incorporated into Victorians. I guess its all semantics in then end though. I think you'll end up wanting some type of overhang on the office windows, especially the south facing ones. IĆm so embarrassed, I put the direction arrow exactly backwards, it should be pointing the other direction! I didnĆt shade the office windows because they face north and west. who would want to stay cooped up in a bedroom? (Well, maybe a teenager) We do happen to have a teenager for that room, and IĆm sure guests will appreciate the view. When it gets decommissioned as a teenagers room it will probably be a library / sitting room, so a view will still be nice. OTOH, if you did move the bathroom, and replace the shower with a tub/shower to soak in, it seems like you'd have the perfect place to relax and enjoy the view. ;^) We have a big jetted tub in our current master bath and never use it. We plan on putting a wood fired hot tub in the roman ruins on the other side of the pond at some later date. ( no the ruins arenĆt there, yet ) I know you're off the grid, but do you have children? An 18 year old daughter who is there off and on, away at college and then back sometimes. or heirs that you care about? Saying we donĆt care would be a bit insensitive, but we arenĆt worried so much about it that it would affect our building decisions, we are building this house for us and nobody but us. Someday, you'll be gone and the home will go up for sale. No AC will mean no sale. If my wife and I are gone, other people can find their own way in life and not be mad at us for not wasting money on a planet destroying A/C system. Do you really think that A/C tech is going to stand still and HVAC systems in 50 years are going to in any way resemble what we have today? ItĆs impossible to look or plan that far into the future. Perhaps your design should anticipate eventual connection to the grid If IĆm generating all my own power, why would I want to connect to the grid? I hate utility lines so had them run underground 500 feet to my home site. Dig 1100+ feet of trenches and bury thousands of dollars of copper wire for some possible future eventuality?? I have a few swords and armor pieces of my own by the way. Cool! Ever put them to use? Ć¢Āŗ I think jedon is going for a stick style Victorian which this isn't too far off That is the closest Victorian style and we threw in some other touches as well. Thanks. Holy Hannah! Who told you that you could design a house? Why do I need someone to tell me what I can and canĆt do? This thing is horrendous! Our sense of aesthetics must differ, perhaps you could post some links of your own designs? the gothic windows(fighting with the other window style) There is only one gothic window and itĆs in a place where rectangular windows arenĆt visible close to it. Plenty of "pretty" buildings mix gothic and rectangular windows. Here is a shot of Notre Dame Cathedral http://www.bornemania.com/civ/gothic_architecture/notre-dame-front.jpg , OMG it has gothic arched windows right next to a big circular one and the doors are rectangular! EEEEEK! combined with tudor accents Victorian Stick Style, see above comment for link vaulted ceilings(which are one of the biggest offenders for inefficient heat usage) The house is highly insulated (R22), almost airtight, and compact. I have a virtually unlimited supply of firewood and a woodstove rated to heat 3000SF of "normal" house. I really donĆt think heat in the winter is going to be an issue. Keeping cool in the summer on the other hand is very important to me, thus the vaulted ceiling thermosyphon system with cross ventilation. The floor plan has major issues such as the placement of the pantry....why is it there? I roped off the plan onto the building site and tried it out, itĆs 5 steps from the kitchen to the pantry. There are lots of wall cabinets in the kitchen for often used items so the pantry can hold the full freezer and 50lb bags of stuff along with enough beer and wine for a protracted stay if we get snowed in. Why is there a window in the shower Because we like the light and to be able to gaze out onto our lovely property while we shower. The parcel is 97 acres, nobody can see you showerĆ the washer and dryer in your office? ItĆs close to where we remove our clothes, the master bedroom and there was room there for it as opposed to downstairs where itĆs already cramped for space Is there a reason that there is a bedroom and bathroom next to the kitchen The home theater needed to be on the north west corner so it was in the least desirable place for looking out, the kitchen and dining and living rooms want to face the pond to the south as well as the view of the 300ft cliffs. That pretty much only left that corner for the bedroom and bathroom and since a small bathroom doesnĆt need nice views, the bedroom went in that corner. and why have you placed all those beams on the ceiling? Because it looks nice and also to hang a pot holder off of etc. It will look a bit different when we actually build it, hard to get everything looking just right but if you look in books and magazines you will find a whole lot of kitchens with beams. I don't know what a construction advisor is but you should find a different one.....someone who will be honest with you about your plans and the need for some professional design advice. We went and looked at the houses our construction advisor has built and they were very nice. He loves the design and would like to live there himself. It's "purple polka dots" time! What a luxury!! pinktoes, you have hit the nail on the head! If bellamay doesnĆt like this place, wait till he seeĆs the castle! SHEESH JEDON! YouĆre just not following the program! (the nerve!) what next...no cultured stone? No 3 car garage? No two-story entrance foyer? No 2,000 sf master bath? No butlers pantry? How do you expect to move in 5 years??? If you keep spreading these kind of ideas, people might actually think they can design a house for.....(dont freak)...themselves! HONESTLY!. Now there is someone who understands where we are coming from! This is our final resting place. Even if it isnĆt it will be a special person who would want to buy our project anyway, no matter what we build first. I donĆt care about resale value at all and there are no home owners association rules etc so we can do as we please. jedon: Are you getting the kind of input you want here? I have gotten some good feedback and ideas, as well as the input from people who donĆt really understand our situation or aesthetic vision but I have a thick skin. I'm not wild about the idea of the laundry in the office space. I think I would find that distracting. I used to have the laundry downstairs but it took too much room away from the pantry, and the clothes would just have to be carted up and down the stairs anyway so it made sense to put it upstairs. I agree that it could be distracting, I'll be sure to put extra sound deadening material in the floors and walls of the laundry room to help with that. Check with your local code guys - if you have them where you're building - on the suicide doors on the upper floor. Make sure what you want will be something that passes inspection before you actually get started. Same with the upper landing of the stairs. It's looks kinda tight as you have it drawn. The drafter and I were trying some different ideas to try and make the landing larger but nothing worked out nicely. Thanks for the tip about code, I'll ask about that. My personal preference would be to create a mudroom/laundry area in the currently drawn pantry space. My wife really wants a large pantry, since we are a couple hours away from places like Costco it will be good to be able to buy in bulk and stock up. Our mudroom will be the huge porch Ć¢Āŗ My suggestion for the downstairs bedroom and bathroom I had a version where the show was where the closet is now, that worked great for the bathroom but really cut into the bedroom area since I then had to put the closet jutting into the bedroom. I donĆt disagree that that bed/bath area is a little less than optimal but the space limitations really make it difficult. I like your version but without a good place for the closet itĆs not doable. If the kitchen beams are suspended below the ceiling Sorry, in the rendering the beams are actually a foot lower than the ceiling but that was not on purpose, I had raised the ceiling height from 8' to 9' and hadn't moved the beams up yet. still make sure you have a good lighting plan in order to avoid creating aggravating shadows in the kitchen workspace. The kitchen will have a combination of spot task lighting, 4' fluorescent area lighting and ambient LED lighting. I've tried to give a lot of thought to lighting since I know it can play a pivotal role in the aesthetics and mood of the house but of course that doesn't really show on the plans since I haven't done most of the electrical schedule yet. Actually, if you're willing to make the room smaller you could back a standard 24" deep closet up against the bath wall. That room is already pretty small. I did try and have the closet in the room but it was taking up too much room and looked awful. Even that 3x3 closet isn't enough, there will be a armoire in there in addition. don't think many things are an issue for Jedon, including guests. Hehe that's true for sure! Jedon, why are there two doors to the home theater? hmm you have a point there, the entrance by the foot of the stairs was there first and I added the other door later, I didn't even think of removing it. I'll try taking that out and see how it works, thanks. Are you planning on having operable gothic windows Due to the high cost of custom windows the one remaining gothic window in the master bedroom will be a fixed glass window. The vaulted area in the living/dining room area will be vented by the clerestory awning windows. Maybe we could use a fan to pull the hot air out of the master bedroom vault. Is there a passive solar reason that your kitchen is up front or is this your personal preference? We wanted the views of the meadow and pond from the kitchen as well as morning sun to make it seem light and cheery. Perhaps I need to learn more about passive solar in order to understand your plan. Do you have any recommendations on where to start? This article mentions some of the guidelines for passive solar with regards to heat: http://www.thegreenguide.com/doc/121/cool The things I tried to pay most attention to were: Lots of insulation - SIP panels R22, Cross ventilation, Low-E double pane windows, covered porch around the south and east sides of the house shading most of the windows on those sides, having a garden around the house and using thermosyphon theory to allow cold air to be pulled from the lower windows filtered through the plants and exiting through the high clerestory awning windows. I think if you would reduce all those beams over the kitchen and have more in the living room, you'd get something that looks like authentic timber frameing. I would love to put more timbers throughout the house, we'll see what the budget allows. I do think the 3D view doesn't accurately reflect what we will have in the kitchen, it will probably be some larger beams mixed with smaller beams and not look quite so domineering The columns that support the porches seem too thin The program automatically generated those, since part of the porch has a second story porch I bet the engineer will specify some larger timbers there....See MoreHelp laying out an unfitted kitchen in Greek Revival farmhouse
Comments (34)I can see doing a wider french doored (or pocket french doored) opening to the left to increase the accessibility of the kitchen to the rest of the house, but PLEASE do not make the mistake of "opening up all the walls" in this home! Part of any older home's charm is the distinct closed off rooms that are cozy discoveries. If you do the fireplace "keeping area" in the lower ceilinged part, that will be the most highly sought after gathering spot in the house and you won't want or need to "open it up" to any other room. It will be a destination area. A retreat. As far as layout, it's a no brainer than the sink can go along the right where the tall windows are currently located and the range and fridge can go on the opposite wall. I like the idea of a farm table in the middle, but my back does not if you would use it as a prep area! I would need a 24"x36" prep area that was at least 36"-38" tall. Now, if the farm table were to be T'd off of that prep area, that would be the best of both worlds. That prep area could be a chunky created butcher block, or other antique cabinet. Good luck shopping! I think that's more than half of the fun of an unfitted kitchen....See MoreNewbie looking for farmhouse floor plan advice.
Comments (24)Glad you've had such good advice here and will be getting a home designed for the real way you live. I wanted to make sure, on that note, that you're also thinking about how a farmhouse works, if your intention is for this to be a working farmhouse, rather than just farmhouse in style. Both of these plans have the kitchen and utility rooms being entered conveniently from the garage, which is great for normal, car-centered city families. But at our working farmhouse, the main traffic is from the garden to the kitchen, wood storage outside to the woodstove, chicken coop to mudroom/pantry, yard to dog washing station in the laundry room, etc. In the generic plans you posted, that kind of daily routine would be a nightmare. Do make sure that you are thinking about how you want to live on your whole property and bring that to hour desinger as well. Good luck!...See MoreKitchen Swap and Layout help in a French Farmhouse
Comments (3)A project this ambitious, complex, and expensive, needs in person help of an architect and kitchen designer. Itās too involved and too costly to not be working with the right professionals! Youāve got the architect. Now hire the Kitchen Designer. Good luck!...See MoreRelated Professionals
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