Which style exhaust hood (insert, undercab, chimney is most effective?
Lynn Wu
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Comments (13)Needinfo1 - what Tom meant by recessed is a canopy hood. I.e. don't buy one of those flat hoods, even though they look cool. Also, the curved glass ones aren't so great. A canopy hood will capture best the rising smoke and grease. To the OP, a 30" hood will be fine. The hoods that are 36" wide over a 30" hood are the ideal, but so many of us cannot afford to forego the upper cabinetry for the 36" width. You should get a hood that is not a skimpy depth of 20-22". Those won't cover the front burners. As Tom said, a 24" depth hood would be good. Your question about 600 cfm vs. less cfm: it is better to have the 600 cfm, even if you don't use it that often, say, for searing steak, than to have an underpowered hood, and have to have it on its highest setting all the time. You'll have less noise if you can run your 600 cfm hood at medium or low, and still have the hood be effective, than if you are running your 400 cfm hood on high all the time because it is underpowered. Make sure your exhaust duct is sized properly. Most hoods specify an 8" or 10" diameter duct. There are some hoods that allow a 6" diameter duct, but they're harder to find. The problem with pushing too much air through too small of a duct is that you will get increased noise and decreased efficiency though no fault of the hood. So check your exhaust duct size (if already installed), and match your hood to it, or if still in the construction stage, install the right-sized duct....See MoreHelp for the right height and hood insert/vent system in new kitchen
Comments (13)opaone opined. I think there is a fairly direct relationship between the baffle area, CFM's and noise. More CFMs for a given set of baffles (and constant baffle area) will increase baffle turbulence noise. However, baffle noise (generally a hiss sound) is not dominant unless a silencer is used with a remote blower. Otherwise, blower blade turbulence noise can be expected to dominate at the flow rates needed when cooking with hot pans (grease or oil near the smoke point). The larger the baffles the less the noise for any given CFM. I assume though that likewise the larger the baffle/CFM the less grease is removed? Two things are happening here. First, if the flow velocity near the baffles is not high enough, rising effluent will reflect from baffle surfaces and potentially escape from the hood aperture. Second, if the velocity in the baffles is not high enough, grease particles from the larger end of the particle spectrum will not be collected as well as they should be, causing them to pass into the ducting where they may condense on the duct surfaces. @Kaseki, do you know if there are any guidelines for baffle design/size/CFM for proper residue removal? Certainly those in the business of designing hoods and baffles will have design rules they use. I haven't come across any specific baffle design guidelines, but hood guidelines for use of particular baffles exist for those sources that produce baffles for commercial uses. Below are links to two example baffle (systems) with their pressure characteristics. (Links may need to be copied and inserted into one's browser.) http://productadmin.componenthardware.com/pdfRepository/repositoryFiles/20120906_025437_type%20i_product%20info_11-2011.pdf http://productadmin.componenthardware.com/pdfRepository/repositoryFiles/20120906_025211_type%20ii_product%20info_11-2011.pdf Baffles are going to be relatively simple on residential baffle arrays, and may have been experimentally tested and revised before production to yield decent effectiveness at minimal production cost. Are there trade-offs to that 90 CFM per sq ft aperture? EG, what happens if it's only 75 CFM? My simplifications are intended to avoid the extreme complexity of a problem space that can best be analyzed by computational fluid dynamics (CFD). What we have is a plume extent that has a shape, and associated with that shape is a velocity profile. The velocity changes with height and angle. When this plume enters the flow field close to the baffles, a lot of possible flow effects can happen, depending on the plume momentum and baffle details. There are also the tapered sides of the hood to consider as well as flat surfaces around the baffles. Picking the worst case plume velocity (~1.2 m/s) and demanding it be met by the baffle air velocity at the baffle gaps, and treating the plume shape (relatively bi-variate Gaussian) as a 10-degree constant velocity expanding cone for capture analysis seem to be adequate assumptions to avoid having readers later whine that their hoods were inadequate. 90 ft/min averaged over the aperture is just one of those approximations where the reality is that cooler cooking will require less, hence induction will require less than gas cooking due to lack of entrained hot gas combustion products in the plume, and in some cases will require more, except that the hood typically extends beyond some parts of any given plume thereby aiding containment of some momentum-degraded sideways drifting effluent near the baffles. Further, the overall air flow has some small capture influence beyond the edges of the hood entrance aperture, particularly for the lower velocity portions of the higher angle plume portions, and the overall flow over the cooking surface tends to move air toward the hood which also has some influence farther down for low velocity effluent. So, for many cases 75 CFM/sq.ft. may be adequate. Below is a copy of a table providing recommended updraft velocities for different cooking devices taken from one of the most useful of on-line sources, the Greenheck guide available at: http://www.greenheck.com/media/pdf/otherinfo/KVSApplDesign_catalog.pdf Note that this is for a 4-ft x 9-ft commercial hood probably 7 ft above the floor. Also note that there are various factors involved in using these numbers that may be found in the accompanying text. And of particular interest to me is that "wok" is listed with the "extra-heavy" category. This is probably applicable to Asian restaurant wok burners providing 100k - 200k BTU/hr gas jets. For residential wok cooking, the plume effects from the burner will be much less, but the temperature at the wok surface may be similar -- meaning that some parts of the plume velocities may be similar. So where should a residential wok be located in the table? I have induction for both cooktop and wok hob, and roughly 90 CFM/sq. ft. maximum air flow rate into my Wolf Pro Island hood, mounted at 34-inches over a peninsula, and it does a pretty good capture and containment job. Wall mount instead of island mount, gentle cooking instead of grilling or wokking, induction instead of gas, and other factors such as no cross drafts or an oversized hood may allow lower specific flow rates to be adequate relative to the table or others' experiences. Further, the reality is that for the most affordable MUA schemes, the inherent pressure loss will degrade the hood flow rate beyond that due to just duct and baffle pressure losses. So the renovator's task when contemplating 90 CFM/sq.ft. is to divine the degree to which my conservatism is overkill in the context of the entire ventilation system, kitchen layout, and cooking style, and design accordingly. kas...See MoreRange hood liners, inserts, blowers, oh my!
Comments (23)The wrapping will help with vibration carried down the duct sheet metal, but not so much with acoustic noise carried down the air path. The silencer has to be larger than the duct for the same reason that a car muffler has to be larger than its exhaust and tail pipes. The acoustic waves have to be partially delayed to mix with out-of-phase waves to cancel some of the sound, without adding significant pressure loss. An alternative to the silencer for reducing blade tip turbulence is to operate the blower at a lower speed. For the same flow rate, this requires a blower that is larger in diameter than the usual manufacturer matches to desired flow rates. (Compare and or contrast a Casablanca type ceiling fan -- many CFM with no noise.) For kitchen ventilation, I would look into a commercial up-blast blower. These often have a belt drive between the fan part and the motor, and the belt sheave ratios can be changed for various purposes. So a, say, 2200 CFM rated blower operated with a sheaf ratio such that at full power the flow rate is actually only 1200 CFM, or whatever you need, should be considerably quieter than say a Broan 1200 CFM unit operated at full power. There are many up-blast blowers available from commercial ventilation distributors, but determining what you need may be difficult. It would be for me without getting the necessary literature. You may find a source such as Greenheck to be willing to provide some advice over the telephone or someone at a local commercial HVAC outfit. It is also possible (I've never looked into this) that Fantech could provide some low speed in-line blowers that together moved enough air and could be set to be lower in speed. This might be asked of their engineering support via telephone. But I would be surprised if they could do so without exceeding your duct diameter and still interface to the duct without pressure loss issues. Anyway, usually roof installations are easier to access than duct installations when the duct is nestled in the joist space and covered by gypsum....See MoreRange Hood Insert Recommendation + MUA Question
Comments (8)Where duct equivalence is a requirement, two 8-inch ducts could be used to match a 10-inch duct. In any case, searching this forum should have led to commentaries on determining requirements before picking hoods. Decide how much cooking plume effluent you want to capture by how much the hood overlaps the possible cooking pans and locations. (Assume a 10-degree from vertical plume spread.) Then use the area of the resulting hood to determine needed air flow rate when performing hot cooking (even if it is on only one burner) by multiplying the area in square feet by 90 CFM/sq.ft. Then, for the case of going directly out the wall with free air flow MUA, assume a factor of 1.3 for baffle pressure loss. This will raise the rated CFM needed for the blower by 1.3 such that the rating should be 1.3 x 90 x area in sq. ft. (Note that this is less than the 1.5 I usually suggest for normal duct lengths, less than perfect MUA, and a duct silencer.) If the hood or insert is a VaH without baffles, use 1.1 to compensate for minor losses such as from the outside cap loss and imperfect MUA. Example: 45 ft x 2 ft = 9 sq. ft. Desired flow is 9 x 90 = 810 CFM. Rated flow for conventional baffled hood then should be 720 x 1.3 ~ a nominal 1000 CFM. While equal blowers mounted in the hood or just outside via a minimal duct length will have roughly the same noise, outside mounting may allow a larger blower that one can run at less than full speed. This will greatly reduce blade tip turbulence noise, which otherwise dominates. Abbaka and Wolf and Broan, for three examples, make down-roof radial blowers that should be adequate to mount on a wall. Exterior aesthetic considerations may influence inside vs. outside, but a low pressure loss cap will not be much larger than a motor housing, and you get a damper with the housing....See MoreJAN MOYER
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