Range Hood Insert Recommendation + MUA Question
Jason Koz
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MUA - Make up air for range hood (cross post)
Comments (5)Scott, just to elaborate on the concern I mentioned in the KF thread - that fan is rated 2,000 CFM, I see you've sized the MUA ducting accordingly, so you must be planning to use all of that flow. A 14 inch duct is about 1 sq foot, means at 2,000 CFM air will be moving through the MUA duct at 2,000 ft/min or 33 ft/sec. That seems very high, maybe too high to be realistic for passive airflow. There will be plenty of friction resistance in that 1 sq foot ductwork, and there are plenty of other ways air can flow into the kitchen through 18 sq foot openings (the doors to the kitchen), so why are you confident you'll pull air from the passive MUA rather than from the rest of the house? Suppose you do get that much airflow through the MUA duct, say with a fan. That is 2,000 CFM entering the space under the range at initially 33 ft/sec. If the space is 6" high by 48" wide i.e. that is 2 sq feet, so you can figure the air has to exit at 16 ft/sec, even if you use baffles to slow down the direct blast. That might ''blow your socks off'' or at least give you frost-bitten toes. And, will air exiting from the under-range space at that velocity and in a horizontal direction, will it really turn sharply to head up into the vent hood? Perhaps it will simply spread a frigid floor-level layer of air throughout the kitchen, while warm room air gets sucked out the vent hood. 2,000 cubic feet per minute of it. Finally, the lesson I got from that article I linked you to, in the other thread, is that turbulence and cross-flow make vent hoods less effective. That is, I think, why the article says to introduce MUA from various locations including some far away from the vent hood. So you get a smooth airflow into the hood. That's something to think about too. I imagine that fan won't actually flow 2,000 CFM in a real world vent hood, so these numbers are a worst-case, you'd recalculate using realistic outflow rate - but anyway you see my concerns....See MoreHigh Cfm Range Hood Make Up Air MUA
Comments (4)I suspect the 0.4 factor is intended to account for the fan/blower performance in realistic conditions, particularly conditions that correspond to the small amount of MUA that the formula requires. My comments here have usually assumed a factor of 0.67, but that approximation assumes that imperfect MUA won't lower the interior pressure more than 0.1 inch w.c., there is another tenth lost in the baffles, and a commensurate amount in the hood ducting. One-tenth negative pressure, however, is too much for combustion appliances with air intakes that aren't isolated from the kitchen, or for fireplaces. Note that the Wisconsin formula listed by the OP is for cases without such combustion appliances. If there is an intent to filter the MUA duct for anything smaller than a bat, I would at least taper out to a largish filter so the filter pressure loss will be minimal. A smaller sized furnace filter would do, or a window screen if large enough (perhaps two square feet). When arguing for a four-inch duct because it can move X CFM, one has to consider what pressure loss will occur at that CFM. I think six-inch would be better in this case unless the duct length will be very short. kas...See Moremore questions on range hoods -- hopelessly confused about MUA
Comments (2)First, you should consult your local code inspectors, preferably talking to a real person who can tell you what is required in your jurisdiction. If you decide you must have MUA, it is probably best to hire an HVAC company, who has experience in these kinds of installations. There have been a lot of home-brew DIY type systems discussed, especially over on the Appliance Forum, but whatever you do must be acceptable to the code guys. Don't expect the appliance manufacturer or sales person to give you adequate advice - they will never risk killing a sale by admitting that a MUA system is required which may be more expensive than the range and vent hood combined. The capacity of your vent hood is generally determined by the type of cooking you do, and what you can afford. In my jurisdiction, the code guy looked at what my range's manufacturer recommended for venting. If all you do is simmer, poach, roast, or reheat take-out, the 100-200 cfm recommended by that GreenBuildingAdvisor may be enough. But if you want to stir-fry, sear, or grill indoors, you will need every single cfm you can afford to clear out the smoke and grease from your living space. I really don't think you can grill indoors unless you have a hood that extracts much more than 400 cfm - probably requires 1000 cfm or greater. As for the size of the vent hood relative to your range, the 6" wider recommendation is for optimum performance. But in the real world, many of us have to compromise due to space or budget issues. My particular work-around is to do my high heat searing or stir-frying on a burner that is centred under my hood - at least my cook top affords me that choice, with several burners of the same output. Hope this helps....See MoreRange Hood Insert Recommendation
Comments (5)Here is the closest thing I know of. There are a lot more details that will be needed before you can order anything. This one is a little over budget, but I am not sure you will find one in budget. Maybe someone else will have some better info. Here is a link that might be useful: Imperial from venting direct...See Morekaseki
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