Can I ask about about the beverage fridge kind of driving the design since the main fridge and it appear to be just steps apart? Is it for 'serving' the outdoor space? the dining space? just don't want to walk 2 more steps? =)

The layout and workflow look good to me (admittedly I’m not one of the experts), but I would suggest you consider getting a range instead of a cooktop and wall oven. It looks like you could use more storage and a pantry instead of a wall oven.

The layout looks OK, but it would work much better with the fridge and pantries switched--someone coming from the living areas will use the fridge (even with a beverage fridge), more often than a pantry. With the fridge on that wall there is no conflict with the back door.

Original plan on right/rearranged plan on left. Click to enlarge:

I would suggest ROTS, or drawers for dishes, in the pantry beside the DW. With clean-up and dish storage on that end of the wall, a helper can unload the DW, or gather dishes to set the table, without entering the prep and cooking zones. Some pantry items can be kept in the upper cabinets closer to the range, where they will be convenient to the prep and cooking zones.

Since you admittedly don't cook much, you will find a wealth of info in the following thread, which was compiled by one of Gardenweb's most dedicated kitchen planners:

[New to Kitchens? Read me first.[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/new-to-kitchens-read-me-first-dsvw-vd~4306041?n=585)

Also, excellent info in the NKBA guidelines.

I have a comment about the narrow, lower cabinets on either side of the range and right side of the sink. I am also not an expert, but I just had cabinets installed and can share what I learned. I hope this is helpful feedback. My design included a narrow cabinet with shelves that would provide access to the blind corner. The 14" opening is too narrow for me to reach anything in the corner and it is difficult to retrieve items that are not on the front of the shelves. The cabinetmaker is replacing the door and shelves with drawers (at my expense, of course). This will give me easy access to more items that I use daily. I am willing to go to the basement for things I might use a few times a year. This part of the original plan looked fine on paper but in reality was practically useless.

Congrats on getting ready to remodel your kitchen! There is a lot of collective wisdom here, plus great threads to read to learn about how to plan a kitchen. A good place to start is by reading [New to Kitchens? Read Me First![(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/new-to-kitchens-read-me-first-dsvw-vd~4306041?n=585)

Okay, on to reviewing your plan.

You're going to have problems opening the left door of your fridge wide enough to pull out fridge drawers. Read a recent thread about problems with putting a fridge next to a wall, [Fridge hitting wall - help!
[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/fridge-hitting-wall-help-dsvw-vd~5301195)

With just over 150" from range to exterior wall, you don't have enough room to include seating at the island and have a decent aisle between island and range. You don't want to cheat on either. Too shallow a seating aisle and the door will hit someone seated at the island. Too shallow a working island between range and MW and beverage fridge in the island and you and your family will be in each other's way more often than not.

Given your kitchen's size and how close your table is to the island, I think you need to give up island seating. Not every kitchen can accommodate an island with seating (mine didn't). You need to design a kitchen for the amount of room you have not what you wish you have.

Speaking of, you're also oversizing the island for the room. You're going to end up with barely functional aisles, with about 55" to split between the sink counter and island and between the island and table.

Something's got to give, sorry. If it makes you feel better, we all have had to do that. Kitchen design is about compromise. But that doesn't mean that you can't have a fabulous kitchen that works well for you when you're done.

Here are diagrams based on NKBA's recommended aisle widths so you understand my above concerns.

First off, I upgraded all to all drawer bases. They cost more but they are worth every penny because they provide more efficient storage. We went from base cabs with ROTs (roll out trays) to drawer bases. I knew I'd gain storage space but I had no idea how much more storage I'd have. All of us who have upgraded to drawer bases would do it again in a
heartbeat.

I swapped the fridge and pantry's locations. It's not ideal to have the fridge on the opposite side of the range from the sink but leaving it where you had it isn't going to work either.

I shifted the fridge closer to the doorway to give you more room around the range - more storage and more counter.

I opted for wider drawer bases between sink and corner and between range and corner instead of a corner Susan. IME, everything you can store in a Susan, you can store in drawers but the opposite is not true. I added 3" spacers next to the corner so that you can open drawers without hitting drawer handles of the adjacent cabinets.

Here is my drawer base next to my corner work so you can see what I mean.

Top drawers

Middle drawers:

(yep, really, I have room to spare. That's what happens when you upgrade from from base cabs to drawer bases.)

You will need to take your range's depth into account and adjust the spacer's width on the sink run to make sure your drawers clear the range handles, too.

I moved the MW from the island to a shelf in the pantry to give you room for pots/pans, knives and other prep utensils near the range. It also moves this appliance out of a already busy aisle. It will be similar to this:

KraftMaid Dove White · More Info

I moved the beverage fridge around the corner, facing the table. Honestly, you'd be better off giving this up but if you must have it, this is a better location than where you had it. Family and friends can access it without getting in the cook's way.

I spec'd a 21" deep bathroom drawer base facing the range to allow for this set-up. Most cabinet companies now offer bathroom cabs for 36" high counter install so this should be a doable swap.

Lastly, I added a 18" wide, 12" deep base cab facing the door, giving you additional storage. Here's my 11" deep cabinet on the backside of my island.

And here's my 58 1/2" x 38" island without seating and with the doors closed.

I added false cab faces as needed to the island.

One way to gain a larger island would be to go with a banquette set-up for your table. You'd gain about 14". You also might be able to move the beverage fridge to one of the cabs next to the banquette but I can't read that wall's dimension well enough to know if there's room to do that. If you're interested, let me know and give me that wall's width so I can work the math and draw it up for you.

HTH!

Thanks for answering my question about the bev fridge :)

i would look at either

1. Having it on the end of the island, facing the dining room. Nice and accessible and you get to enjoy the cool look of it. If not turned out to face the dining room, I would at least not want it in the center of the island - totally in the way of any one trying to use the island for prep or use the range

2. I can’t tell on my phone any of the dimensions, but any chance you could fit some cabinets/buffet in the dining area, under the window? You could put the bev fridge there

3. Put the bev fridge where the pantry is (still have upper cabs for storage + extra storage in the island b/c the fridge is gone)

Another thought re: pantry is placing the microwave there. Something like image below

Putting your refrigerator against an outside wall with the entry door opening against it will not only bang up your refrigerator but could also make it difficult for you to open your refrigerator doors entirely in order to remove the shelves and/or veggie drawers for a thorough cleaning if your refrigerator hinge were to be on the left.

What is outside that exterior door -- any chance it is a porch or deck and you could change the hinged door for a sliding glass one?

If you know you will have a double door refrigerator, and since you could clean shelves without removing them, the remaining concern would be if you were planning to put a wall on the right side of the refrigerator. Wouldn't; just leave the side of the refrigerator show between the countertop and overhead cabinet and set your refrigerator far enough out so the cabinets don't interfere with opening the refrigerator door all the way.

Consider moving your wall ovens to the right: have the wall to the right of your wall ovens be even with the opening to the right of it so that you can put a wider countertop between the cooking surface and the ovens. You need space to set a large heavy pot on both sides of any cooktop.

Is the dining area within this kitchen your only dining area? If not, you might well consider other alternatives in lieu of both an island and a table -- you could create one very long island ...

... but only put base cabinets in the one end of it nearest the sink;

... or put base cabinets only on each end and put your beverage fridge on one end and other storage in the other end;

... or you could put your base cabinets and beverage fridge only in the middle with a "pedestal" table in the "dining" end of the kitchen and, perhaps, a "desk" end or a pedestal for seating for two nearer to the sink.

http://xlian.me/the-most-attractive-bar-height-kitchen-table-island-home-decor/kitchen-island-ideas-breakfast-bar-kitchen-island-spectacular-in-bar-height-kitchen-table-island-prepare/

You can keep the island countertop a rectangle the same width for its entire length and/or have it widen beyond the double ovens and still have room for your six chairs.

In a smaller kitchen, if at all possible, round the four corners of any rectangular island.

silvero39, I rec'd your message. I can see my post above, when I'm signed in to houzz, but can't see it if I'm not signed in. I'd edited to add a couple of links at the end, so maybe I sent it into limbo. I can't add the images to a PM, so I'll just copy and paste the message in it's entirety here:

The
layout looks OK, but it would work much better with the fridge and
pantries switched--someone coming from the living areas will use the
fridge (even with a beverage fridge), more often than a pantry. With the
fridge on that wall there is no conflict with the back door.

Original plan on right/rearranged plan on left. Click to enlarge:

Sorry, I hit submit before I finished typing. My main concern is the
aisle width--the sink aisle seems to be only 30". which is much too
tight. I reduced the length of the island, and put the beverage center
on the end closer to the living areas, so that anyone looking for a
drink doesn't need to enter the prep and cooking spaces. The MW is
across from the fridge, since many items are taken directly from the
fridge for reheating.

I would suggest ROTS, or drawers for dishes, in the pantry beside the
DW. With clean-up and dish storage on that end of the wall, a helper
can unload the DW, or gather dishes to set the table, without entering
the prep and cooking zones. Some pantry items can be kept in the upper
cabinets closer to the range, where they will be convenient to the prep
and cooking zones.

Since you admittedly don't cook much, you will find a wealth of info
in the following thread, which was compiled by one of Gardenweb's most
dedicated kitchen planners:

[New to Kitchens? Read me first.[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/new-to-kitchens-read-me-first-dsvw-vd~4306041?n=585)

Also, excellent info in the NKBA guidelines.

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Be careful putting a fridge against an adjacent wall.

Avoid this

Previous posters pointed this out important concern.

This is a photo example why.

Get manual for fridge,installation instructions for door swing. Example what to look for

A space against wall or a tall wide enough filler will be needed. Also accommodate enough space to prevent handle hitting wall.

mamagoose, your first post didn't show up in the thread before I posted similar concerns and suggestions. I was signed in, too. How odd.

silvero39, I hope you heed the advice given by several of us and swap fridge and pantry locations. (Great visuals showing why it's a bad idea placing a fridge against a wall, artistsharonva).

I also hope you listen to my and mamagoose's concerns about your aisle widths and adjust your plan to make them workable.

I tweaked my above plan to include a banquette in the DR. I estimated your table at 36" x 60".

The pull-out pantry cab next to the sink has been replaced with a 33" drawer base and a GE Spacermaker MW in the upper cabinet. It would look like this:

Eclectic Kitchen · More Info

I increased the sink from 30" to 36", adjusting cabs on either side accordingly. If you spec a single bowl, offset drain sink, you'll be able to put a trash pull-out on the left side, like this (my kitchen):

Pantry storage has moved to the cabinets on either side of the banquette bench. It would be similar to this:

Traditional Kitchen · More Info

The bench is spec'd at 24" deep with drawers for additional storage. It would be similar to this:

Bluebell, PA traditional · More Info

Dimensions are based on the table overhanging the bench by 2".

With the table moved closer to the far left wall, there's room to increase the island's width from 45" to 60". I adjusted the island cab plan accordingly.HTH!

lisa_a, it must have been bouncing around the ether-net--maybe there are still a few bugs houzz has not yet worked out. ;)

It's good to know that you agree with the same basic plan I posted, because I always admire your thoughtful and detailed layouts and explanations.

Thanks! I feel the same way, mamagoose!

You're welcome! Wishing you the best for your remodel!

And definitely rely on the wealth of wisdom here whenever you have questions. I learned so much as I prepared for my remodel. I know my kitchen would not be as wonderful as it is without all the help I got.