Maman Cochet-how bad does it ball?
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Comments (9)Well, Jeri beat me to most of what I was going to say. The cemetery's Maman Cochet is nearly 20 years old and really has never been pruned for size. We try to keep our roses out of the pathway and our monuments visible, but otherwise we let them grow and grow. Roses don't freeze here, and get weekly deep watering in deep, sandy soil. We've had to dig out roses occasionally, and the roots go on, and on, and on. I have a White Maman Cochet in my home garden that's been there for a decade. Different soil, different conditions. I pruned and deadheaded it like a modern rose its first six or seven years, and it grew into a very awkward shrub. If you shorten a cane, these Cochets will send off laterals at 90 degree angles, often straight across the center of the plant. I've been much more gentle about my pruning and have deadheaded only with the "bend and snap" technique for the last two years, and was rewarded this year with a fabulous new basal cane and a much more graceful, floriferous plant. Once you understand how the laterals are going to grow, you can use the Cochet growth pattern to your advantage. My rose is about four feet high and five feet wide right now, and will be a bit taller and wider by the end of the summer. I prune it for size because it's necessary. Anita...See MorePink Cl Maman Cochet is always droopy and ages to brown paper
Comments (21)laurali; My neighbors cl. "Maman Cochet" does the same thing your plant does, -produces outward facing blooms that turn brown. However this only occurs in summer, when higher heat causes smaller blooms, which is not unusual. Those smaller rose blossoms are lighter in weight and lack enough weight to cause the pedicle to nod downwards from gravity. This is why, I believe, the smaller roses face outwards. The browning is also, I think, probably caused by hot temperatures and the fact her cl. Maman Cochet is in full sun in a southern exposure. I noticed her roses turn brown first on the edges of the petals, which leads me to think these smaller roses are dehydrating more quickly. Her garden is only 3 blocks away from mine, where my white "Maman Cochet" , which is growing in half a days shade, watered well, produces large blooms that nod perfectly and the petals drop off cleanly with no browning. Luxrosa...See MoreIs Maman Cochet Cl Really THAT lovely?
Comments (15)There are several very old bushes of Maman Cochet in our neighborhood, surviving in the unkempt yards of old houses. I dug one out of a hedge (only the tip of one cane showing) at the house of some friends of mine, and convinced them to cut back/dig up that end of the hedge. After about 2 years, MC had grown 3 feet wide and 7 feet high, and was covered in gorgeous blooms. My friends were astonished, but I was not - the old roses which have survived decades of no care (and even survived being eaten by hedges!) are VERY hardy (as in tough, not as in temperature). I have a Niles Cochet (another color sport of Maman Cochet) which I got in the neglected (but full of old roses) back yard of a small cottage in our neighborhood. The elderly man who lived there and owned it knocked on our front door with his daughter one day about 20 years ago, and asked for "Lor". That was my FIL's name, and we now live in the house he grew up in. At that point he had been dead for several years. I invited the man in, and he told me that he had moved back into his childhood home (the cottage down the block from our house), and that he had been a childhood friend of my FIL, about 80 years before he knocked on our door! Anyway, he invited me to come look at the roses, and take cuttings of anything I wanted. Here is a bloom of 'Niles Cochet' I got from the bush I have that I rooted from a cutting from a very old bush growing behind that cottage. The Cochet family of roses obviously likes our neighborhood....See MoreMaman Cochet, Mrs. Foley Hobbs & Mlle de Sombreuil
Comments (5)Carla--it sounds like MC gets quite large. That is good to know, thank you. How old is your MC? Jeri--You were quite correct. I was referring to MdS the Tea, not Colonial White. Thanks for the info. How old is your MdS? I am hoping that at least one of these Teas will be happy around 5 feet (approximately). It is very hard to resist all these wonderful Teas that Vintage offers. The problem is that I do not have a very large garden, so I am trying to fit them in where I can....See More
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