Am, My thought was the same as bgp - B. gracilis, or its more southern cousin, B. guatamalensis. There was a lovely B. gracilis pictured in the special CSSA Journal on Oaxaca this year.

Just a couple of general comments. If something doesn't taste good to you then it doesn't taste good to you. LOL Whether it's your own individual tastebuds or due to weather or any number of other variables it's hard to say. You know how others feel about many that you list and if you feel that if a variety comes highly thought of by others, then I think that's reason anough to grow it a second year. Also, just b'c a variety has BER one year doesn't necessarily mean it will do so the next year, again, b'c there are so many variables that can lead to the development of BER. Black Krim (smoky purply fruit flavour, I cant be without it) "Brown Krim" (unknown egg sized/shaped brown skinned purple fleshed goodie that was a stray seed in a packet of black krims, hence the name) "Red Krim" (unknown round blemish-free non-splitting tennis ball sized early and late producing pinkish red super sweet tomato, that was also a stray seed in that same packet of black krims) ****** If the above two were from a stray seed it sounds like they were the result of cross pollination. Which means they probably are not genetically stable at this point or have you grown out the saved seeds and seen that both are genetically stable? Or are you planning to make selections and get them to an OP state if you really like them. If this is a recent discovery I doubt that you'll get the same two back for this summer season. Cherokee Purple (wow 2008 was truly horrible...except for CP plants. One plant had more fruits than several plants have had in total over the last several years. Perfect shape, excellent rich sweet complex flavour) Paul Robeson (still think it tasted weird, but trying it one more time) Indian Striped (these ones got pretty smashed up by hail last year, only had a few fruits, jury out on whether it compares with CP) ***** The variety name is Indian Stripe, not Striped, which is how it's listed at Sandhill and I'll try to remember to ask Linda to change that. Many folks who have compared it with CP say they like Indian Stripe better as you've seen from some of the threads here at GW. Brandywine Sudduth's (I agree with those that rank this near the top...and with those that complain about productivity) Green Giant (pretty fruit, great texture and flavour, but ripen in a sneaky fashion and have a short eating window before they get a bit too soft in my experience) Cherokee Green (well I really think I had mixed up seeds last year given uncanny similarities to appearance and flavour of emerald evergreen...so will order from another supplier this year) ***** Yes, we had a long thread about your Cherokee Green. AS for Green Giant, while I'd make the same comments you did about Aunt Ruby's German Green I haven't found Green Giant to have such short shelf life at all. Dr. Wyches Yellow (only back because I really like a yellow tomato every now and then). ********** AND THE LOSERS (SOME MORE LOSERISH THAN OTHERS) ********** Black Cherry (might have to move it up a notch) ***** I would. Marianna's Peace (very good, but one dimensional flavour, inconsistent producer) ***** Many like MP, I'm neutral, but again, if the taste is not to your liking, what's to do? LOL Cherokee Chocolate (did not seem to do as well as CP for me...odd) ****** Yes, that is odd since CC is just an epidermis mutation of CP/ Black From Tula (very good but softish tomatoes that mostly rotted on the vine) ****** Weather related for Tula? I've not found that it rots easily. SunSugar (delicious but a pain to manage) Peacevine Cherry (also good...but cherries be damned this year) Emerald Evergreen (good but want something better) **** We talked about this at length in that thread you started and folks gave you a number of suggestions for other green when ripes at that time. Homer Fike's Yellow Oxheart (big, pretty, but oxhearts just dont seem to fully mature in my garden) Purple Russian (really like the flavour, but BER BER BER) Green Zebra (love it, but BER BER BER) Wapsipinicon peach (like it a lot, but BER BER BER) ***** About the above three, I commented about BER in the beginning of this post. Stump of the World (looked nice, but just not as flavourful as my keepers) Aunt Gertie's Gold (just did not taste good to me) Aunt Ginny's Purple (same as above...weird unpleasant flavours) ***** About the above three, I love all of them for taste and they perform well and taste great for me having grown them many times. If you grew them just once and weather was an issue you might consider growing them again. If it's your tastebuds alone, then maybe better to move on. Big Zac (big, lots of them, mediocre at best) Carbon (ok but inferior to others) Clint Eastwood's Rowdy Red (bland, slow to ripen, store-bought texture) Earl's Faux (like stump, this one just did not do it for me) Kellogs Breakfast (3 plants this year...one was a stray seed from something else that was awful...2 were yellow beefsteaks but did not look nice, did not grow large, were stringy like the inside of a pumpkin, and did not have much flavour) ***** it sounds to me like you'd better get some true KB, or the PL version KBX. Sunset's Red Horizon (mine were oxhearts...none matured fully) **** I prefer the original name of Rostova for the Sunset one and the seeds currently being sold by Tomatofest are heart shaped, as you noted, and are not true Rostova. I don't know of any place that currentyl lists true Rostova, which I think is a great variety. The first year that TF offered it the seeds were fine and it grew a large red beefsteak as it should. Someone sent me some of those seeds and I just found the pack recently and since Linda at TGS and I were talking and I pointed out to her that her Rostova was the wrong one, I'm going to send those 10 seeds to her with the hope that there will be at least one place with true Rostova. ********** Several others did not even make it to the 'losers' list...like the horrid, good-for-nothing yellow pear. Anyway, if anyone thinks I really need to give some of the losers another try, or has any suggestions for varieties that would fit well with my keepers, I would love to hear it. Anthony, you have many on your losers list that many folks would put on their top list and so if I were you I'd consider regrowing some if it were me. Carolyn

After looking at the plant again. I would be tempted to cut the main branch quite short, just below the last large leaf. Making the cut on an angle, with the high side of the cut on the side opposite of the way it is leaning. Make sure that there is an old leaf scar just below the high side of cut. I mention this, in hope that a new branch will grow off that side straightening the plant. I would give the three lower branches a bit of a prune also. Only by an 1" - 1 1/2". Rick

Hello everyone. Just a little update on what's going on which is not much hehe As I mentioned last weekafter your advice, I dried all the adenium for 2 days, and then repotted them in new soil/perlite/bark. It's now been 3 days since I did and so far, I'm not seeing anything different. Caudices still feel soft. Today I took one and scraped the big root, and the caudex and from my point of view, everything is looking good, no rot at all. They're still going to dry for a few days or do you think I should let them dry longer? I have a total of 30 adenium affected with the "soft" caudex symdrom so I'm trying to stay on top of it hehe PS: I applied some cinnanom on the scraped area. Stephane