Just a couple of general comments. If something doesn't taste good to you then it doesn't taste good to you. LOL Whether it's your own individual tastebuds or due to weather or any number of other variables it's hard to say. You know how others feel about many that you list and if you feel that if a variety comes highly thought of by others, then I think that's reason anough to grow it a second year.

Also, just b'c a variety has BER one year doesn't necessarily mean it will do so the next year, again, b'c there are so many variables that can lead to the development of BER.

Black Krim (smoky purply fruit flavour, I cant be without it)

"Brown Krim" (unknown egg sized/shaped brown skinned purple fleshed goodie that was a stray seed in a packet of black krims, hence the name)

"Red Krim" (unknown round blemish-free non-splitting tennis ball sized early and late producing pinkish red super sweet tomato, that was also a stray seed in that same packet of black krims)
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If the above two were from a stray seed it sounds like they were the result of cross pollination. Which means they probably are not genetically stable at this point or have you grown out the saved seeds and seen that both are genetically stable? Or are you planning to make selections and get them to an OP state if you really like them. If this is a recent discovery I doubt that you'll get the same two back for this summer season.

Cherokee Purple (wow 2008 was truly horrible...except for CP plants. One plant had more fruits than several plants have had in total over the last several years. Perfect shape, excellent rich sweet complex flavour)

Paul Robeson (still think it tasted weird, but trying it one more time)

Indian Striped (these ones got pretty smashed up by hail last year, only had a few fruits, jury out on whether it compares with CP)
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The variety name is Indian Stripe, not Striped, which is how it's listed at Sandhill and I'll try to remember to ask Linda to change that. Many folks who have compared it with CP say they like Indian Stripe better as you've seen from some of the threads here at GW.

Brandywine Sudduth's (I agree with those that rank this near the top...and with those that complain about productivity)

Green Giant (pretty fruit, great texture and flavour, but ripen in a sneaky fashion and have a short eating window before they get a bit too soft in my experience)

Cherokee Green (well I really think I had mixed up seeds last year given uncanny similarities to appearance and flavour of emerald evergreen...so will order from another supplier this year)

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Yes, we had a long thread about your Cherokee Green. AS for Green Giant, while I'd make the same comments you did about Aunt Ruby's German Green I haven't found Green Giant to have such short shelf life at all.

Dr. Wyches Yellow (only back because I really like a yellow tomato every now and then).

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AND THE LOSERS (SOME MORE LOSERISH THAN OTHERS)

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Black Cherry (might have to move it up a notch)

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I would.

Marianna's Peace (very good, but one dimensional flavour, inconsistent producer)

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Many like MP, I'm neutral, but again, if the taste is not to your liking, what's to do? LOL

Cherokee Chocolate (did not seem to do as well as CP for me...odd)

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Yes, that is odd since CC is just an epidermis mutation of CP/

Black From Tula (very good but softish tomatoes that mostly rotted on the vine)

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Weather related for Tula? I've not found that it rots easily.

SunSugar (delicious but a pain to manage)

Peacevine Cherry (also good...but cherries be damned this year)

Emerald Evergreen (good but want something better)
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We talked about this at length in that thread you started and folks gave you a number of suggestions for other green when ripes at that time.

Homer Fike's Yellow Oxheart (big, pretty, but oxhearts just dont seem to fully mature in my garden)

Purple Russian (really like the flavour, but BER BER BER)

Green Zebra (love it, but BER BER BER)

Wapsipinicon peach (like it a lot, but BER BER BER)

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About the above three, I commented about BER in the beginning of this post.

Stump of the World (looked nice, but just not as flavourful as my keepers)

Aunt Gertie's Gold (just did not taste good to me)

Aunt Ginny's Purple (same as above...weird unpleasant flavours)

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About the above three, I love all of them for taste and they perform well and taste great for me having grown them many times. If you grew them just once and weather was an issue you might consider growing them again. If it's your tastebuds alone, then maybe better to move on.

Big Zac (big, lots of them, mediocre at best)

Carbon (ok but inferior to others)

Clint Eastwood's Rowdy Red (bland, slow to ripen, store-bought texture)

Earl's Faux (like stump, this one just did not do it for me)

Kellogs Breakfast (3 plants this year...one was a stray seed from something else that was awful...2 were yellow beefsteaks but did not look nice, did not grow large, were stringy like the inside of a pumpkin, and did not have much flavour)

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it sounds to me like you'd better get some true KB, or the PL version KBX.

Sunset's Red Horizon (mine were oxhearts...none matured fully)

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I prefer the original name of Rostova for the Sunset one and the seeds currently being sold by Tomatofest are heart shaped, as you noted, and are not true Rostova. I don't know of any place that currentyl lists true Rostova, which I think is a great variety. The first year that TF offered it the seeds were fine and it grew a large red beefsteak as it should. Someone sent me some of those seeds and I just found the pack recently and since Linda at TGS and I were talking and I pointed out to her that her Rostova was the wrong one, I'm going to send those 10 seeds to her with the hope that there will be at least one place with true Rostova.

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Several others did not even make it to the 'losers' list...like the horrid, good-for-nothing yellow pear. Anyway, if anyone thinks I really need to give some of the losers another try, or has any suggestions for varieties that would fit well with my keepers, I would love to hear it.

Anthony, you have many on your losers list that many folks would put on their top list and so if I were you I'd consider regrowing some if it were me.

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Hi Carolyn, thanks as always for the info.

I saved seeds from the Red Krim in 2006 and grew them out with success for the following 2 seasons (even in the horrible 2008 season), seemed pretty stable. As for Brown Krim it appeared in 2007, grew it out in 2008 but after hailstorm I was left with only 1 plant, and it was pretty much decimated by BER, but the few fruits that I got were very similar to that which appeared in 2007. I think I got the black krim seeds from Tomatofest, so was looking on their website for similar varieties. Was initially thinking Arkansas Traveller for red (really pink) krim, and Ethiopian for brown krim, but neither of them were really close enough to say that they matched. Actually I had at least 1 other unknown variety from that black krim packet that appeared in 2008 summer, was a low-producing very large pinky/orangey red beefsteak that cracked like crazy, I did not even end up eating any and did not save seeds from it. I have no worries about red krim continuing to do what it has done, and really hoping that Âbrown krim does in 2009 what it did in 2007, and if so then maybe I can identify the variety. Was surprised at the intensity of the flavour and dark, rich flesh, but maybe just really lucky in 2007 with this one.

Re. taste, I understand and agree completely. I have a fairly good palate, and when I am discussing taste I am really not talking about preferences as much as I am looking for either differences in flavours or for objective taste-related notes. For something like Paul Robeson, I appreciate the interesting and complex flavours, but not sure if I like it, so can agree to disagree with others  that is an easy one.

For the Cherokee Green issue that we discussed, given what I know about my palate, if the general (or expert) opinion was that CG tasted different than EE (ignoring whether the different was better/worseÂjust concentrating on the opinion that they tasted different), I would be surprised to find that they tasted the same to meÂand the first thing I thought when I ate my CGÂs was Âthese taste EXACTLY like EEÂ (which I had grown twice before). The shape was also like the EEÂs I had grown before and was not like CPÂs or CCÂs. Maybe the seeds were CGÂs, maybe I cannot detect any difference in flavour even though others can, but since the math just does not seem to add up in terms of my experience I will give it another try from another source. That is another easy one though.

The difficult ones are EarlÂs Faux, Stump, Aunt GinnyÂs Purple, Aunt Gerties Gold, and of course Kellogs Breakfast. I know people love them but not sure what are the specific characteristics that are loved. If I learn the particular characteristics (I really would like to see Âtasting notes for tomatoes that are similar to those for winesÂnot to the same degree, but at least something would be nice), I could see if I detect them and decide whether I like them. If those characteristics are not actually present in my crop, maybe it was weather/seed source/growing conditions/etc., and I would certainly not want to eliminate what could be a great variety for reasons not actually related to the variety. If they simply wonÂt perform in my climate north of Toronto, well that is a different story. If I can produce fruits that do exhibit the tasting notes that others find, and I do not like the fruits, then they can be comfortably eliminated (and I can say I donÂt like them even though others do). Will maybe try getting KB or KBX againÂmy KB fruits this year also had significant amount of scarring on the skins, they were almost spotted (not sucking insect scars, something more significant that only appeared on the KBÂs).

Wife and neighbour will probably kill me if I donÂt move black cherry up a notchÂso at least 50/50 chance that I will do so.

MariannaÂs peace had very odd resultsÂa plant that was largely shaded produced several fruits including one that approached 2 lbs. Another plant in full sun had fewer smaller fruits that were sweet and tasty but not as enjoyably as others. Only tried it for 1 season, so maybe have to try again. CC notes made no sense for reason that you indicated, two CCÂs were right beside two CPÂs that did fineÂbut again if the only difference is the epidermis, then why bother with CC anyway I suppose.

Glad to hear you say that about Tula, thatÂs the kind of info I was hoping forÂreally did like the taste and it produced pretty well, so worth another try (maybe can slot one in for this year).

I was going to refer to them as Rostova but knew I had the hearts from Tomatofest. Actually I had one fruit mature in the 2 years I grew, it was very tasty but just too low of a batting average to do again. Would be interested to try the beefsteak in the future if a supply reappears.

Regarding BER, I grew a few plants each (2 to 3 of each) of Green Zebra, Purple Russian, and Wapsipinicon Peach for at least 2 seasons each, in different garden locations, with different exposure to sun/water, and actually in two separate gardens for some of them. With 20+ varieties each year, these were the only ones that had BER (maybe 30%-40% of fruits on these 3 varieties had BER, with maybe 5 other fruits in total of the 60-70 other plants that I grew during the same time periods having BER). Maybe these varieties are not BER sensitive for others, but they certainly seem to be consistently prone to significant BER in my garden. For 2008 I did have other varieties that were hit by BERÂbut weather probably did not help.

Anyway, your info helped as always and will result in me tweaking my choices to some degree, likely for the better. Thanks!