Well that could present a problem with stain removal. Stains should be shot with cool water first. Hot or even nicely warm can and will set stains expecially oil stains. Miele washers with their cold fill has that solved. Lol

Ah ha! I see now. My other detergents remove this same stain without any pre-treating though. (I get this stain often) Is that because they are powders and somehow work different?

Powdered detergent Is much more alkaline than liquids which are mostly close to neutral so that could play a roll. Think of it like this Cascade is extremely alkaline in order to remove grease/oils...lol

Fun fact: The recently reformulated version of Cheer powder has three enzymes, including lipase, an enzyme for oil-based stains.

Cheer Powder Ingredients:

Sodium Carbonate

Sodium Sulfate

Sodium Aluminosilicate

Linear Alkylbenzene Sulfonate

Sodium Laureth Sulfate

Sodium Polyacrylate

Silicate

Water

Sodium Percarbonate

Fragrance

Silicone

Protease

Amylase

Lipase

Cheer has gone thru more formula changes than Carters has pills. Seems as if P&G can not make up their minds about this stuff.

We just started using Persil Intense Fresh. We're satisfied with the clean (we only wear clothes once before washing) and the fresh aroma. We're buying the 50 oz at $3.33, so I'm not complaining.

I'm considering using Cheer powder again after the new formulation. I just hope the scent hasn't changed. I would like to see how well CR rates it.

Greeny, have you heard anything about if Cheers scent changed?

Thank You Greeny for posting Cheers change.

I feel Meh about US Persil. The 2in1 has seemed good for stains but the scents get me - I don't hate them but not so sure about them either. I more often reach for my Miele powders or Tide HE liquid (bleach alt or stain release). I don't love the Tide scents either to be honest. Only the Miele ones don't offend me lol.

I don't believe Cheer has changed the scent. I've smelled the boxes at the stores and they smell the same to me. Sea Sea sent me some to try and there is some scent left on my laundry after washing. It smells old fashioned to me but I'm not sure how recently she purchased it though...

Wonder when the Cheer formula changed, I know many stores probably still have old stock..strange that the old didn't go on mark down to make ready for the new.

As old as I am and as long as I have been doing laundry, I don't think I have ever used Cheer. Don't know why. I will have to pick up a bottle just for kicks one day and try it out.

P&G really ought to advertise a bit for their Cheer, even just a new print on the box saying reformulated..I know advertising would drive the price up, but if they would put out some coupons stating it went under a change and has been upgraded to attack more stains than sales would go up, on the other hand Tide sales could drop lol. But regardless if they are selling a product they should at least have minimial advertising. P&G has always put all their eggs in the Tide box, that's why they got rid of Oxydol, well they got rid of the Oxydol name but still have the formula in the vault...they wanted Tide to be their top detergent. Once upon a Time Cheer was a grand detergent, but P&G was not about to let it compete with their baby, which is why I think Cheer has gone thru so many changes. Now another change, more enzymes, this frankly surprises me. I do want to try the new formula and I'm hoping its less sudsy than the current Cheer.

I recently noticed the price of Cheer powder went up a few dollars a box at Target. Coincidence? Probably not.

"I'm fed up with the US version of Persil (any formula).

The color formula from Germany is another story and works great WITH OUT CRAZY SUDS."

I've heard great over the top raves about Persil sold in Germany, but not here in the USA. Are they different formulas? If so, why???

About washing stains: I've always heard that oil/grease stains (like the green blouse shown) are to be washed in HOT water. I do that with Hub's greasy work clothes. They do not get clean in any other temp.

I've bought Cheer in the past, but Tide gives me better results. In my area, Target is expensive, so I don't usually shop there.

Someone mentioned Era. Is it still on the market? I used to use it and loved it, but then it seemed to disappear and ever since then I've used Wisk. Now Wisk has disappeared (or will soon, depending on the store). :-(

Era is still on the market but the original formula no longer contains enzymes. The free and clear, oxi, and febreze versions still contain enzymes though.

Grease and oil does need hot water for the main wash, but either a cool prewash or shoot it with cool water first is required to prevent the stain from setting..oxidizing.

I have had very good results with Persil 2n1 liquid and Persil Pro Perls. I don't use additives so the detergent must stand on it's own. Sorry that the Pro Perls are discontinued because they do an excellent job for me when cleaning ground in dirt and on items that require Oxygen bleach such as whites.

Don't see me using anything else unless I alternate with Miele Detergents or Persil from Germany.

I dose by load size and soil level and don't seem to have any problem with oversudsing or scent although I don't think I want to try intense scent of any product.

I would like to have a USA Persil detergent for colors but that is a no go here in the USA so I have to accept that.

Overall I would much prefer the use of powders over liquids, the trend with manufactures is to produce liquids and pods. There are no powders sold in my local supermarket anymore, and my local target has a few toploader powder detergents pushed over against a wall away from the rest of the detergents, no he powder at all.

So I guess the summary is that I am happy with USA Persil Products.

Brushworks, wow, where are you buying 50 oz. for $3.33? I recently bought the Intense Fresh and find the scent less offensive than original liquid, ProCaps original also less offensive than original liquid if I only use 1 cap. The Power Pearls to me seem the best scent, less is best to me, and it tends to fade quickly in a few days. Interestingly I have noticed that some cottons, especially jersey knits seem to retain more of the scent but I won't be using original liquid on pillow cases or pyjamas again after having to ditch them in the middle of the night recently, the scent too obnoxious. You can see I am wanting to make Persil work but coming from using unscented or natural lavender oil scented products almost exclusively the original liquid is just too much even with a second rinse, soft Pacific NW water, Vancouver, Canada

Intense Fresh was created for the NA market. To have a scent more in keeping with their tastes (so a buyer told me).

Another fun fact: I was looking at P&G's powder detergent ingredients and noticed the USA version of Ariel powder has the same formula as Cheer powder:

Sodium Carbonate

Sodium Sulfate

Sodium Aluminosilicate

Linear Alkylbenzene Sulfonate

Sodium Laureth Sulfate

Sodium Polyacrylate

Silicate

Water

Sodium Percarbonate

Fragrance

Silicone

Protease

Amylase

Lipase

Sea Sea, I wonder when you tried the USA Ariel if the formula was different?

Greeny is that to say that USA Ariel powder is safe to use on darks?

Well, which USA Ariel are we talking about. Used to be Ariel in the US came in a bag think it said Ariel Classico USA all in rather big letters. This powder was all white and smelled almost exactly like the old white Tide...than about a year ago it disappeared and a new Ariel took its place in US stores with the Ariel bag looking very much like the Mexican bag and the powder is now blueish green With multi colored specks and now smells almost exactly like Mexican Ariel.

Cedric, I don't know how much Sodium percarbonate is in Ariel..is it only trace amounts to neutralize chlorine in tap water or is it for whitening..I know Mexican Ariel has sodium percarbonate and it really whitens well enough that I wouldn't trust it on darks. Ariel has another formula for darks and colors. Ariel Color and Style..looks and smells exactly like Cheer.

Beagle, thanks so much for the kind words!!

P&G only has one Ariel ingredient sheet listed for Ariel on their USA website; Ariel Color Powder. I would assume this is the Ariel Original Scent Powder you can find at the likes of Walmart, etc. I would not expect this to be the formula available at a Mexican/Hispanic grocery.

It looks like the same formula as Cheer, so I would say it's safe for colors. I've never tried it so can't give a personal opinion on its performance or how it smells on finished laundry.

This is the Ariel bag that was sold at Walmart up until a year ago

This is the powder from that bag

This is the bag Walmart has been selling for the past almost year

This is the powder from the new bags

Last I checked Ariel and Ariel Color and Style were different formulas. I have never found the color and style in any store other than Ollies warehouse.

See what I mean about the US version changing bags somewhat and the powders color and scent changed. I have a pic somewhere of the newest Ariel and Mexican Ariel..let me look

Here's a pic of Ariel Color..its the liquid but it also comes in powder. I once had a huge box and remember than my search showed Ariel color to be the same as Cheer...but at least than the Ariel Color and Ariel USA were different formulas.

Thanks Mama for your contributions to the discussion. It seems the only way to set this straight is to contact P&G to see. I guess it's totally possible they don't have the ingredient sheet for the new Ariel at Walmart posted on their website.

And I've seen two versions of liquid Ariel in the Mexican markets (regular and color).

I'm confused...is your Ariel ingrident list for Ariel sold at Walmart or Ariel Color?

The Ariel I bought that is marked for sale in central and south America looks like the Mexican one, NOT the Walmart one. It works phenomenally well. Not too sudsy, clean rinsing and smells great!!

Larsi..your right it works fantastic. Even without phosphates the Mexican Ariel is a power to be reckoned with.

Forgot to mention the Newer Walmart Ariel that's light blue smells almost exactly like the real Mex A...but talk about suds.

Isn't the Walmart Ariel the USA version? The ingredient sheet I posted was the only Ariel ingredient sheet on P&G's USA website...That's why I assumed those were the ingredients of the Ariel at Walmart.

Yes Greeny but what throws me off is your ing list states for Ariel Color which is different from Ariel USA LOL. Too many different Ariels and formulations for them are of course all different.

Mamap, you do realize you're saying too many different Ariels when the product is owned by a company that makes 47 different versions (exaggeration, I know) of Tide right?

Greeny,

In answer to your question/s regarding how old the Cheer and Ariel (Latin version) might be...I bought the powder Cheer thru Target dot com about 3 months ago. How old that stock was at the time, I don't know. I didn't save the boxes. The boxes didn't say anything about "reformulated" or "new and improved", so it's likely to be the previous unimproved formulation. If it gets any better than it is now with improvements, well then, just call me one happy girl! I just hope they don't improve it the way P&G improved their scent of Tide cause then I'll be sad. I l-o-v-e the light, clean scent of powder Cheer.

The powder Ariel (Latin) I am currently using is a couple months old. Again, I have no way to know how old the stock was when I bought it as I threw the bags away as soon as I got them home and poured the powder into my plastic storage bins. The American Ariel that I choose not to buy again, I bought in Feb 2017. It cleaned well. I just could NOT stand the scent and it left our laundry rough. For us to say that it's rough says a lot since I never use liquid fabric softener, so we are used to laundry not being Downey softened. I do use Bounce fabric softener sheets when needed, but that's only for static control since it's so dry here, we have to use a dryer sheet, or else all clothing is a static-y mess when put in the dryer. I find the softening of dryer sheets to be marginal, compared to liquid fabric softener. Way way back, in the stone age, I used to use liquid Downey, but when we moved to this location, the static was too strong even for LFS, and I had to change to dryer sheets.

I hope that helps!

What a great discussion! Being a laundry fan, I am enjoying this thread!

Have a great day everyone.

PS,

I totally agree with MamaP,

Mexican Ariel is a powerhouse detergent. It does make light work of our tough laundry issues here--body oils and sweat from certain family members (and one lovely, but smelly cat). After reading this thread, I'm going to have to go to the Mexican market and make a spectacle of myself again.

I'll have to practice my "Don't judge me!" while I am waiting my turn in line. lol

"Era is still on the market but the original formula no longer contains enzymes. The free and clear, oxi, and febreze versions still contain enzymes though."

Thank you, littlegreeny. I'll keep this in mind if I see any Era on store shelves.

Someone may have already mentioned this. I used to buy Cheer for Darks when I was using a traditional washer. But I haven't seen any for HE washers. I really miss it.

juju, unfortunately Cheer for Darks has been discontinued.

Jujuful,

We don't have any powders on our retail shelves here. Only liquids. I order powder Cheer on-line through Target dot com and Walmart dot com has it too at last check. I try not to shop at Walmart when possible, but if I was forced, I would make a WM dot come purchase to get Cheer powder.

Cheer for Darks has been discontinued.

This is a big disappointment - I was hoping they had come out with an HE formula - but at least I know not to look for it. Thanks.

SEA SEA, I have not thought to look at Walmart for Cheer powder. I don't recall seeing Cheer in powder form in years, so I haven't looked anywhere for it. But if I am at Walmart in the future, I'll check to see. Thanks.