There is probably a preference in Europe for separate white and color Persil products. I doubt from a chemistry standpoint that different products are necessary anymore. Liquid detergent dominate the American market due to consumer preference, not functional superiority. What the market thinks it wants is the major factor in determining which products are delivered. It is probably safe to assume that the Persil sold in the U.S. is Henkels best effort for this market. They may not actually make the Persil, but they likely have control over what is in the product. It is remotely possible that they simply sold the rights to the Persil name in the U.S. @fordtech: Are the deposits in the drum detergent or mineral? How can it be a detergent problem if it is mineralization? I ran citric acid through my washer last night after seeing your photos. You provided motivation to keep the washer clean :) I'm now thinking about adding vinegar at every rinse.

Yes, allergic to Tide Free and Gentle AND Tide Pur. It's very frustrating. I've tried All Free and Clear, but it has been a while. I bought a ton of Wisk Pure and Free?, but I ran out of that sometime last summer, and I don't have anymore. The Biokleen is only HE because it requires less detergent. I don't know that I trust it. I tend to have to use quite a bit of detergent when washing, though I haven't had sudsing issues with most detergents, even with adding STPP. I'm super bad about getting stains out, but I do wash diapers, and they have to be clean. I'm hoping that the toddler decides to potty learn soon, but he's not super excited about it. I need to use something with OB's in it because I hate dingy whites. When I used only Country Save, everything was dingy. :(

Hi again everyone! Thanks again for the info. You have no idea how grateful I am. In case Larsi see this, I did buy the Tide booster anti-BO pods you recommended. I hadn't used them yet when one of my daughter came home for a few days from college for spring break. She brought her dirty laundry home with her and plopped it down in the bathroom where the w/d live. I recognized the laundromat smell. I know that smell. Very well. Our former front loaders were out of service much of the time and we had many adventures at various laundromats over the twelve years we had front loaders. It's a different smell--that of unfamiliar people's body odor. I know everyone's "smell" in this family, and then I know "laundromat washed laundry smell". Different animals. Anyhow, she had intense laundromat odor in her laundry. I gave her the bag of Tide anti-BO pods. I figure she needs them to try and override having to use communal washing machines at college. Thank you for the recommendation, but now those pods are off to live a better life in Santa Cruz lol. I'll get another bag in a while for here. So, on Friday night I did the pre-wash like you recommended MamaP. That is a great process. Wow! I'm embarrassed to say I've not used the pre-wash before. We are water-a-phobic here in CA and with my newish top loader I've felt guilty to indulge in such water luxury before. I used the pre-wash cycle and threw in half a scoop of powder detergent. Then I did a regular cycle with half hot water and half warm water with hubs only color clothing with borax with a 30 min soak (this Speed Queen seems like it is done with a cycle so soon I usually stop the machine after a few mins of agitation and let it soak. But that might just be me having been used to the long cycles on front loaders). Perfection! He doesn't know about my enrollment here in the Laundry Academy because I'm afraid he might send for a wagon to come haul me away to the loony bin if he found out. It was bad enough when the UPS man came and delivered a box of Persil last week. Hubs said, "but you have laundry detergent. Why did you order more?" Um, well, I may have a little problem with laundry detergents lol. So this thing happened yesterday evening. Unprompted, all on his own, hubs spent about 10 mins talking to me about he doesn't know what's different, but his clothes in the last few days have changed for the better. Ok. This is a man who doesn't think about laundry or even know how to turn on a washing machine. He was saying how his clothes feel much cleaner and smell so much better. He was gushing (!) about how he really likes that his clothes feel crisp and not slick or greasy (!!).He said it was wonderful to smell fresh clothing that wasn't perfumed, but was CLEAN and not his own body odor as he goes through his day. He said he can't put his finger on it, but if I've been doing anything different with the laundry, he'd really like it if I could keep doing cause he's really liking it. Awwww!!! Flutters in my heart. He wondered if it was our new Speed Queen washer and it took that long for the gunk to get beat out of the clothes...I told him that I've made some new friends in an on-line laundry room and I've been learning a lot of new stuff from them. I said, these people know laundry! You should have seen the smile on him. Too sweet. :) I thought I'd share with you :) He doesn't say much (anything) about his laundry, but apparently, he's been displeased with it just as I have been, but he never said anything about it. Thank you! So much! Rococogurl, I haven't used the boiling water yet, but in a few days I'll be ready to wash and soak my work towels, aprons, and client smocks and I'm going to use it then. I wanted to try the pre-wash cycle first because it's easier, but I will use it on hubs clothing when he has filled the hamper again. As for the Persil, I'll give it another try next week with the extra steps above and hopefully it does a better job for us. I used powder Cheer and Borax this weekend with excellent results. Yay!! I'm so happy!!

I don't mind most scents in products, but with clothes nothing beats the smell of clothes dried outside on a clothesline. I guess I remember my mother hanging sheets and other items outside. And they didn't smell like fresh linen or fresh cotton artificial scents. Persil is very expensive around here at the grocery store. I tend to get what is on sale. If Tide is on sale I snatch it up. It cleans most consistently especially whites. I still wear white undershirts under dress shirts and don't like them getting dingy.