Aamassther - do you have perfectly soft water? I know Larsi does. I have the same machine as you boys and don't have this problem with Persil Power Pearls (though I've never tried the 2-1 liquid). I have whites backing up so I will try to get in a load tonight and take pics.

Yes, it's naturally soft, mountain water. Plus I'm not usually a liquid user for whites. The sheets are stain and odor free as well as very white, even without additives. I just wish they would control the suds in better.

No susds in the Cabrio or SQ FL. Moderately hard water. I love it for whites.

I have the Mega Pearls and, yes, it is very sudsy in my Speed Queen top loader even with careful dosing. Water is somewhat hard. IMO, with my water, it couldn't/ shouldn't be used in a front loader. I only use it on whites, mostly all cotton. Superior job of cleaning, though. But it is SudzCity.

For comparison. Medium load of whites. One Sears scoop in main wash and probably 1/4 scoop in prewash so 3-4T total. 175F wash temp. Very little sudsing. I am amazed by the differences among users

Alex, yours is what I was hoping for. At that temp, some suds are expected. The results were great though, stain and odour free. I just had to add a quick wash to give a total of 5 rinses. Which makes it a no go, I don't like wasting resources like that.

I have super hard water and didn't have suds problems with Persil, but boy did I have the vomit smell out of the dryer with the Pearls. It was horrific on the Saranoni minky blankets I washed. They held on to the smell too.

I also tried the Fresh Scent liquid and that was fine but I rarely use liquid detergent.

Alex.....OMG!!! I cannot believe that is all the suds you got with 3-4 TBS. and 175F.!

I used 1 TBS. and 120F and I was expecting the suds to come out the door seal or up through the detergent tray!!

I am utterly floored that aamassther and I have near identical results in the same machine as you!! Crazy. And even cilantro has crazy suds in a top loader!!!!

I will have to do a load today using Persil Pearls just to snap a few pics, but my suds level is closer to Alex's pic. Now I just have to find something white to wash...as if I don't have a load of bedding waiting to go into a nice hot bath LOL.

I don't have a suds problem with the Pearls nor a rinse problem, actually its one of the cleaner rinsing detergents for me. Now the Persil liquid can be a real sudser if I'm not careful which is why I reserve it for full loads of heavy soils.

I started thinking maybe the sample MamaP sent me had expired or gone bad, so I picked up a fresh jug at the store last night and did another small load of whites. Maybe a few more suds, but I had likely overdosed for the size of the load, too. Minimal suds. This detergent is obviously quite susceptible to differences in water quality.

Not a great photo but this is deep into a 154+F ..white sheets and 3 Tablespoons Persil Pearls. .. soft city water from the mountains.

Good suds level!

We have very hard water and don't have a problem with suds. But what a difference depending on the type of water users have.

So strange! I never had excessive suds with US Persil. I do get those kinds of suds with any Tide liquid. My water is very soft. FWIW my usual dosage is 1 Tbsp unless it's greasy really dirty.

That's a great suds level for Persil, mamap. Alex, I've been thinking that as well. It's interesting to say the least.

This is my allergen cycle that gets into the 150+F range, but it also uses more water than my other cycles. I get the most suds from Persil liquids. Some suds don't bug me anymore, I can accept more suds than shown above without worrying...its if my 3rd rinse is still sudsy that irks me. That being said generally my second rinse is clear and I often wonder why I added a third lol.

It is interesting to see the differences in suds in different machines.

90C. Love to see those temps :)

@ aamassther....the last 2 pics you posted, is this USA Persil Pearls? If so, then the wash and rinse cycle looks perfect. I officially 100% gave up. I no longer own any Persil Pearls, and will NOT try again!!!

One Grab Green pod cleans and whitens as good as Persil powder. Little to no suds. Clear & Clean rinses. Light, clean and natural scent remains after drying! Love them. It is also a powder in the pod too, not a liquid. I have tried them up to 170/180F and still works great!

Perfect suds MamaP. I am so surprised as you and I have very soft water.

@ MamaP....I sent you a text message yesterday. It went thru on my end. Did you get it? ;)

@larsi, that was Miele powder. After the liquid and your results, I'm not going to buy anymore US Persil.

Though curious about the Grab Green.

@alex, those were very stained white towels. Any excuse to use the hot temps, lol.

My US Persil results look like Alex's. I use about the same amount he uses, about 3TBS. But my loads can be exceptionally dirty. I really like the stuff. I don't care for the liquid Persil scent so don't use it. I've tried the Grab Green and I like it too.

I never have those suds in my XL machine. Moderately hard water here.

I don't look at the window of my washer too often. I tend to gauge sudsiness by how many suds I see on the rubber gasket after a wash. I have been alternating between Persil Pro Pearls, Miele Ultrawhite powder, Gain HE liquid, and A&H HE liquid. The only one that leads to suds at the end is the Gain. (The water in my neck of the woods is supposed to be soft.) So far I have been quite happy with the Persil.

An issue I do sometimes have with the Power Pearls is when a small lump of not-fully-dissolved detergent remains in the dispensing tray. I have noticed, however, that when I rinse out that detergent in the sink a fair amount of suds are created. I avoid this issue by spreading the Power Pearls evenly over the entire Detergent compartment.

Asko, once I found suds on my rubber gasket when the load was done..I sent them thru on another rinse but the sight of that soft fluffy foam disturbed me lol. Cant remember what detergent it was, but it hasn't happened again.

Pearls are no longer stocked at WM and I haven't made an effort to get a package but I have been using the 2-in-1 liquid for a while (also have Tide/bleach HE powder, Era liquid, Foca powder, and Fresh Start). Anyway ... used a "rag" towel yesterday that had been washed in 2-in-1 several weeks ago. Smells fresh, no vomit odor, LOL.

I will say I am more and more impressed with the Grab Green powder pods. I have Lavender Vanilla. They have the much coveted "bleach activator" like Tide with Bleach powder and Persil Universal & Pearls powder!

They are almost as low sudsing as Rosalie's Zero Suds and they always rinse clean and clear. There has yet been a stain, they have not removed.

Also, the scent after washing and drying (air dried or tumble dried) is so soft, natural and pure. I absolutely love these pods!!

Larsi..they have the Euro bleach activator? TAED?

Mama.....YES!!!!! Grab Green powder pods have TAED!! These pods are amazing, and so low sudsing and CLEAR rinsing. They are quickly becoming my current fav!!

Anybody look at the water in the laundry sink (if you have one) after a clean rinse? I can have a clean rinse in the drum (not talking about Persil), and then sudsy water in the sink. The drain pump probably stirs it up. Makes me think that some reported differences, where the water is similar, are because of varying loads. Some items might stir up suds more than others.

I haven't seen the Grab Green brand. Where do y'all purchase this? I'd like to try it.

Are the pods safe to use in LG4270? Anyone know? I checked out the Grab Green website. Does anyone know what the "vetiver" smells like?

Larsi, I'm so surprised you aren't getting any suds with Grab Green. I rarely have suds issues (unless it's Vaska liquid), but the GG pods are definitely on the sudsy side for me. I've even had to run an extra rinse on loads of towels, which I never have to do. And we have medium water, not soft like yours!

The Vetiver smells nothing like Vetiver. Actually neither does the Lavender. They both smell quite similar in my opinion, although it's difficult to describe the scent. It's not your typical laundry smell, more like men's cologne.

@ recordaras.....Virtually no suds. I use one pod, and by itself...no boosters, scent enhancers, bleach, ammonia, oxi powder, etc...

The suds are almost as low as Rosalie's Zero Suds. This is so strange....what is crazy sudsy in my machine and with our water gives most of you no issues, and then vice versa. I have used these several times with hot washes too (140-160F), and still very little sudsing, and if I do get a small amt....all 3 rinses looks almost drinkable.

The Lavender Vanilla after drying is very soft and faint. It smelsl kind of like a day spa and I for sure smell a hint of the old, fashioned soft & powdery Tide powder. Love the scent (wish it was stronger ;)

Isn't it crazy how much our water chemistry differs and how differently detergent performs based on that? Who would have thought! I can't imagine how difficult it must be for detergent manufacturers - trying to create formulas that would work for everyone...

I am not sure about the pearls, but Persil liquids have been reformulated to be less sudsy. The new formula says easy rinse on the back of the bottle, and the front label is no longer all silver, but white with a silver border. I do have to be careful dosing the old formula, but it rinses pretty well in my medium-hard water.

They maybe less sudsy but the stench is still the same. Tried a bottle a while ago since it's been reformulated, thinking, hoping it wouldn't be as strong. It took 2 days for the "aroma" to dissipate. I returned it.