Help! GC told us that our custom cabinet doors "won't match well"
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Help.. Problems with Custom Cabinets, what to do??
Comments (22)So sorry about your situation, but you are lucky that your husband is a lawyer - I highly suggest you have him send a stern letter filled with legalese via Certified Mail - that will scare them into action! It's hard for me to undertand exactly what's going on based on your pics, other than it looks like crap and is highly unaccepable, especially for $27,000! Your upper cabinet is definitely a manufacturing problem - that crack existed BEFORE the cabinet was even built. A good cabinetmaker would NEVER have used that piece of wood. You can never fix a structural split like that, as you have unfortunately found out. It will always keep re-appearing. Is that first picture a farmhouse sink with a shoddy rail beneath? That is really bad, if so. And it has been that way from day one? What was your installer thinking? And, why was one side properly scribed to the shape of the sink and the other side left square? Huh?!?! So, your plans included using a D/W that you ALREADY had? And the KD / installers STILL screwed it up? Well, that is ridiculous. And closing up a functional drawer is NOT an option! Who in their right mind would order and pay for a "drawer" that opens and agree to have it just be turned into a decorative panel? No one! Even Judge Judy would not defend that "logic." As for installer vs. manufacturer, many cabinet companies and even siding manufacturers DO void their warrantee if it is not installed by a "Certified" installer. I assume your installer is certified by Mouser, and they are trying to use your non-payment as a legal way out of their obligations. Well, that's bunk because your "Certified Installer" obviously has no CLUE as to what they are doing, and Mouser has some gall to think that you should pay them even a DIME more! The pictures say it all! I do feel sorry for you, however I am not in the least bit surprised. After having a GC literally destroy the framing in my house, install the Cedar shakes completely wrong (with GAPS between), paying 3x the price to have pre-primed board-and-batt siding installed only for it to warp within 3 months, having NO windows and doors for months as winter was setting in (and GC LIED and blamed the Anderson factory, when in fact our windows had been sitting in the shop for over a month, the GC refused to pay for them even though WE HAD PAID HIM for them months before!), I have learned two very important lessons. 1) Trust NO ONE! 2) If you want something done right you have to do it yourself! A lawyer advised us not to waste money trying to sue. Good advice, as the contractor "disappeared" (closed website, disconnected phones) after he caught me taking photos of his trucks and license plates. We did file complaints with local agencies, but big deal, since contractors and installers can close-up shop and re-open under a new name. But, since your husband IS a lawyer, sending a FIRM letter to Mouser will not cost you anything other than the cost of Certified Mail. Therefore, I would DEFINITELY do that ASAP!...See Morediy? use a kd? be our own gc? help!
Comments (21)Sounds like your remodel is very similar to what ours was - no structural changes and keeping appliances in the same location. Will you be tearing out drywall and replacing flooring? Getting any new windows or doors? If not, then basically you're just replacing fixtures and finishes and that is the best situation to have if you decide to GC yourself - as long as you have a plumber, electrician, cab installer that you trust, that is. We did our own demo on a Saturday morning - me, DH and a couple friends - and I thought that was the easiest part (except that old cabs were nailed together, screws would've been too easy I suppose, and it got to be like pulling teeth) - so don't know how much we would've spent had we hired someone else to do it. But if we hadn't bought new appliances, our remodel would have ended up costing $20,922. I too think your labor cost quote sounds high. Our cabinet install was $1817. Plumber was $488. Electrician was $1,623, which included bringing some things up to code, installing plugmold and undercab lighting. That comes to If you've been planning this for 5 years, you must be thoroughly familiar by now with exactly what you want and have all your specs and measurements memorized by heart. And if you've been following this forum for a while, you should have a pretty good idea of what kind of things to look out for. So you can absolutely do this and keep to your budget. Having said that, I have to admit that my remodel was extremely stressful - and I didn't have small kids either. I tried to time things well but still ended up without a working kitchen for 3 months (some cabinets had to be sent back several times, had to wait 3 weeks for c-top install, etc.) Setting up a decent temporary kitchen would've helped a lot. Even though the process was horrible and stressful, I'm very happy with my new kitchen and feel like it was all worth it at last. Good luck with whatever you decide to do....See MoreCan I GC my own Kitchen? (And help with work plan)
Comments (11)Are you under a firm deadline, other than convenience in not living with and in a work site any longer than necessary? Are you OK with setting up a minimalist kitchen function for the duration? (keep and move old fridge to another room, get some hotplates or portable induction cookers - at least one maybe two, MW, biggish toaster oven, rice cooker and washing your dishes in a PR sink - using a counter made of plywood on sawhorses?) Could you get through the holidays with such a set-up? It really depends on your tolerance for camping out in your own house and how frustrating you will find juggling children and tradesman (many of the same management/coping skills apply, but don't try shoving a pacifier at the electrician). Whatever time frame you come up with, imagine how it would be if it took exactly twice as long. Would that throw larger family plans into a tailspin? Because that very well may come to pass. Still, GCing one project, and your own at that where your won't have trouble communicating your ideas because they will all be in your own brain, seems like it is possible. Are your kids and DH the flexible, roll-with-it types? Or does change destabilize them? What does your Mama think? My own Mother GC'd the building of her house when she was in her 60's. I know I spent a lot of time on the phone with her as she vented about the days' progress (or lack thereof). I thought it was great that she did it, but I think if I had had doubts my doubts would have discouraged her and made it harder. Also, get several more bids before you give up. The Official Kitchen Industry is awash in price gouging in some places because it is an emotional purchase, dealing with aspirations, expensive equipment most people only buy occasionally and mysterious systems (water, electricty and drains), etc. Also, try breaking it apart into sequential episodes to see if you can make it work that way. HTH L....See MoreUh-oh.... GC doesn't use contracts?
Comments (29)Lauraxx -- in this pair, it seems you are the one uncomfortable with not having a contract. As others have suggested, then (not meaning to sound nasty): you do it. Just print up your understanding of the work you've agreed to and ask the contractor to sign it. If he balks at that, seems uncomfortable or refuses, seems insulted or whatever -- well then you've got a situation to evaluate. If he has so many happy customers around with nary a contract in sight, perhaps he'll feel insulted. But you aren't asking for anything untoward. In the end he'll sort of have to make his peace with your "terms" and sign it (or negotiate misunderstandings first). If he won't, that's a pretty illustrative situation to find yourself in. What would it be like if he wouldn't respond to your needs in the event of a problem? As a test-case, this non-problem should be telling. Stick to your guns: if this situation makes you uncomfortable you have every right (with ample precedent) to want to alter it. Not for an instant does this imply you suspect there will be problems, that you harbor concerns about the GC, etc. It means you feel uncomfortable; it is your right to feel comfortable, and your GC likely is the very first to want to agree with that!...See Morerantontoo
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