Louis Philippe Damage
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Comments (14)Avalon, I just came to that conclusion myself - that RPN's Cracker Pink is very much like Caldwell Pink/Pink Pet. I hadn't grown that rose so didn't know to check it, but it hit me this morning to question what else it could be. Hopefully, it doesn't get any bigger than White Pet because I have it in a pot. It's been putting on growth that doesn't look like it wants to be a mini which is what I was expecting. Tammy, haven't seen Pam's website so can't compare. My LP is very pinkish in the middle. Others say white in the middle which may be semantics. The mix of white and red looks pink to me. Florida's LP looks nothing like FL's CS to me which is very globular and dark with an occasional red streak - I believe. For some reason I was not successful in growing it - climber or bush. They both balled really badly throughout the year. Very disappointing. Sherry Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation......See MoreIs my rose Cramoisi Superieur or Louis Philippe?
Comments (23)I guess that's what I'm wondering, too, peggy--if CS and LP are so similiar, how ARE we supposed to tell the difference? Especially if CS is being sold as Louis, or vice versa. And that's good to know that LP doesn't mind a severe haircut, barb. I actually pruned back the sides of this bush quite a bit this spring, as it was extending over the sides of the pot by several feet, but I didn't touch the height. Thanks for that information, Malcolm...I thought I had detected some differences in what few pictures of Slater's that I had found. I think I'll hold off and deal with one mystery rose at a time. Usually I don't mind owning a mystery rose...I've been able to identify everyone of them so far (a Lady Banks which was actually Fortuniana, a Cuthbert Grant which turned out to be a Zephirine Drouhin, etc.) But the confusion as to what is LP and what is CS has thrown me for a loop! I guess I'll have to leave it at this--I own a China rose now, and what a lovely little rose it is!...See MoreLouis Philippe must be one tough rose
Comments (17)I'm with you on that, Jeri! I call that color "fire engine red." For sentimental reasons, I grow a number of roses that my mother, aunt and grandparents grew. At my last garden, I trained Blaze on the fence because my grandfather grew it. The hot, yellow-red toned blooms always pestered me. My grandfather and mother both grew Tropicana, but I still haven't been able to bring myself to grow its neon coral self. The only colors that are more jarring to my eyes are bright bicolors like neon coral AND fire engine red! I appreciate that others on the forum have found ways to successfully incorporate and enjoy bright specimens in their gardens while I surround myself with pink, purple and blue-red roses! I don't believe there are any colors that Tom Carruth hasn't worked with. Cerise to aubergine. Carol...See MoreCramoisi Superieur Vs Louis Philippe
Comments (8)Well, that's the thing -- the matter is still open to debate. I read a paper that examined a bunch of roses genetically -- it's referenced in the HelpMeFind comments for 'Cramoisi Superieur', both forms, as well as many other roses. They found that the bush form which they tested was 87% identical to the climbing form, suggesting that the climbing form arose as a self-seedling, rather than sport, of the bush form. But, here's the rub -- are they sure that the bush form which they tested was the original, and not also a self-seedling of it? Since they didn't compare different samples of bush forms of 'Cramoisi Superieur', they didn't negate the possibility that the sample they tested was identical to other bush forms of 'Cramoisi Superieur'. It's likely that, rather than cuttings, seeds were often sown as a means of propagation. So long as the seedlings were close enough to the original, they may have been considered the original. To eliminate the possibility of a "strain" of bush-form CS self-seedlings going around under that name, they should have obtained multiple samples of bush-form CS. As an example, Vintage Gardens carried both forms, before this study was published. They assumed, as others before them had, that the climbing-form was a sport of the bush-form. The bush-form CS they sold was propagated as a "reversion from the climbing-form", and was described as being somewhat larger than some other bush-forms. So, let's say the climbing-form really was a seedling of the original bush-form, rather than a sport. Here we now have a new bush-form of CS going around -- a reversion of the self-seedling climbing-form, which thus would also be 87% genetically identical to the original bush form, but still technically not the same. If the study used the bush-form sold by Vintage Gardens, their results would be different. They'd find that they were identical, thus sports. So, in my opinion, CS and LP in commerce represent not two cultivars, but two strains. This could account for differences in growth habit and fragrance-strength, besides that the two are often confused for each other. If you remember the found-rose "Elisabeth's China", you'll know that it was deemed very similar, but not identical, to LP. In my opinion, it is one particular individual within the "strain" of LP out there. If one were to examine it genetically with all the forms of CS and LP in commerce, I'd guess that it matches 100% to some (suggesting an identical relationship), at least 75% but less than 100% with others (suggesting a self-seedling relationship), and that there's confusion about what's actually CS and LP. If one were to go back and check the blooms, I'd guess that the ones with the "bleached petal tips" in the center would cluster together as either identical or self-seedlings, and the ones with the solid-colored petals with slightly paler reverses would cluster together similarly -- regardless of under what name they're being sold. I'd call the first cluster LP-strain, and the second cluster CS-strain. Sorry if this post amounts to a headache, but that's my opinion. :-) ~Christopher...See Morepat_bamaz7
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