Need Help with Landscaping my friend's front side of the house
Kate
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Comments (2)It's a very formal frontage - I would try and keep the plantings as formal as it is (although you could add a little whimsy to it too)...It's all going to depend on how much you want to spend.....Your cheapest solution right now is probably going to be a hybrid of the two choices: I'd cut back the plantings so they are reasonable again and then mulch. That will give you time to research what plants you like and what will work for you and you can try them one at a time to see how they actually fare for you :) I would trim up the shrubs (or replace one or the other - they look unbalanced - don't know that is because of the time of the year or not). Since you have hosta and LOTV, I would think it's a shadier type bed; there isn't too much in the form of easy care, tall, shade loving plants with lots of colour. So if you're looking for replacements, yews and boxwoods would be good evergreen choices. For colour, an easy care part shade perennial options would be things like Tiarellas or Heucheras - you might even get away with things like Columbine. As for remove LOTV or not - I will give you my experience. When we bought out house, the previous owners had removed all but the LOTV from the garden. Every year we get out there and remove 2 garbage bags full around the plants that I've now put in.....every year it comes back just as strong. It's pretty and fragrant when it first comes out, but it starts to look ratty towards the end of the season. So your call, but if it were me, if you are removing things, take it out, if you're not, work with it. If you are removing things, but love the LOTV, try putting them in a pot and sinking the pot into the ground (with the lip above the edge of the soil). Since they spread by rhizomes, that should help to contain the plants somewhat (that's what I recommend to all my friends and it seems to work well)....See MoreHelp me pick a new landscape design for the front of my house
Comments (11)Thanks for the additional photos, Michael. I am assuming that you haven't a huge amount of gardening experience, so I'll apologize in advance if I am telling you things that you already know. My personal preference overall would be to plant the entire area out to the concrete walkway and widen the bed around the corner wider as well, for at least part of the distance down the side. That might a good place for the hydrangeas. I would also use shrubs along with perennials (and a few annuals if you want extra color or to fill in until the perennials and shrubs get bigger) to get some variety similar to what you have now. About your current beds: I notice black plastic(?) or landscape fabric in your bed under the mulch unless you have pulled it out since the photos were taken. As someone who made that mistake earlier in my gardening years and also inherited it from the previous resident of my current house, I don't think that you want to continue that as it will interfere with how the soil "lives." It will restrict water and oxygen exchange and cause all kinds of problems down the road when it starts to decompose and when the plants start growing roots into it. If you want more info or opinions, go to the one of the following forums and put "landscape fabric" into the search at the bottom of the thread listings: landscape design, perennials, and perhaps shrubs. Your bark or wood chip mulch is great, since it will help keep moisture levels even and suppress weeds. If you want something under it to further help prevent weed growth, corrugated cardboard or multiple layers of newspaper work well to suppress weeds without the problems caused by landscape fabric. I generally put down cardboard or newspaper and then at least 3 inches of mulch on top of that in all my shrub and perennial beds. What you can plant will depend on how much organic matter you are able and willing to put into your sandy soil. Gardenweed has given you a fine list of plants that in general do well in drier situations, though a few (lLobelia cardinalis/cardinal flower, Delphinium, peonies, Campanula/bellflower and Siberian iris) will do better in somewhat richer, less dry soil. If you have access to lots of organic matter through a town composting program, a nearby farm with composted manure, lots of old leaves, or some similar source, or if you have the money to buy a large quantity of compost, then dig in more than you think is needed into the first several inches up to a foot of the bed and you will have a wider range of plants to choose from. Tree oracle suggested conifers (good for winter interest so there aren't just dead sticks there) and roses, specifically Knockouts, which are long-blooming, disease resistant, and not fussy at all from everything I've read (no personal experience.) I grow the following roses: John Davis (large bush or short climber), Lady Elsie Banks, a white double rugosa, Rosa mundi, and a no ID that is common at old farmhouses here. I don't fuss with any of them other than to knock Japanese beetles into a can of soapy water while I wander through the garden early morning before work, though many are once-bloomers that are finished before the beetles emerge. No disease problems on any of them. Some other plants that will like or tolerate a relatively dry bed beyond Gardenweed's list include Nepeta/catmint, creeping thyme, alchillea/yarrow, calluna/heather (though not right next to the concrete foundation since it likes acidity) which is actually a short fine-textured shrub that can have colorful foliage, lavender, penstemon, Thermopsis caroliniana/carolina lupine (though not a lupine - similar to Baptisia), many of the veronica, hemerocallis/daylily. Most of these won't mind a bed with better soil also. Some plants that need somewhat better soil include perennial geraniums, dianthus/pinks (which aren't all pink in color), crocosmia, Iberis sempervirens/candytuft, tall phlox (get a mildew resistant type), Thalictrum rochebrunianum/lavender mist meadow rue. I can see a clematis on an obelisk looking great here, maybe behind the shrub on the corner where it will get some of the extra moisture from the downspout, but not be in its path. I also really value spring bulbs for early color and have found that if I plant them at the deepest end of the recommendation they seem to need dividing less often. I have daffodils that are probably 10 years old and haven't needed dividing yet - they still bloom prolifically. Just plant them where perennial foliage will hide the withering daff foliage. I also have reticulated iris (bought from Brent and Becky's bulbs on the web since they aren't common locally) which are budded up at the base of my foundation now and will be done blooming by mid-April before the daffs even start. I love seeing flowers in March! Both these don't mid dry summer soil at all. A couple of non-evergreen shrubs that will be fine in average soil include weigela (several shorter varieties with colored or variegated leaves) and spirea. Your neighbor's rhododendrons seem to be doing okay, and there are some shorter varieties such as PJM 'Checkmate' that hasn't cleared 3 feet in my garden. Conifers such as junipers ( get a short variety), birdsnest spruce, or one of the short varieties of Chamaecyparis would probably do well here or even one of the miniature Colorado blue spruce/Picea pungens. To get specific suggestions of types, try the conifer forum, the rhododendron forum, or the shrub forum. I often go to nearby nurseries to see what they have, read labels, take copious notes, go home and do internet research, and then go buy based on what is available that fits my needs. Some general things to consider in planning your bed. -Think about a way to have your hose holder be a bit less visible; either paint it to match the siding or move it out of sight behind a shrub or around the corner. Right now its contrasting color makes it grab attention. -Do your soil prep before you bring home plants. In general, the better your soil, the better the garden will be and the easier to care for. That extra organic matter will help hold moisture and nutrients rather than letting them trickle on through the soil. Add enough and the hydrangeas might even be happy here. -Plant things near the downspout that won't mind a bit of extra moisture, and maybe put several rocks right in front of the concrete catcher to break the water's force before it gets to the garden. -Think about leaf shape, size, color, and texture. There won't always be lots of perennials blooming, so foliage that offers variety and interest will keep things looking nice even when there aren't lots of flowers. -Plant lower things below the windows unless you want them blocked. I have used annual vines (scarlet runner beans) on strings over western windows to help keep the house cooler, but generally don't like to spend time trying to keep the plants away from the windows, so plant things with lower height there. -Most gardens look better with not just one of this and one of that - have some repetition, whether it is of foliage color, specific plant, flower color, though I have seen gardens that are an absolute riot of variety that still look lovely. Your current garden with the two hydrangeas and the several lobelia (?) have variety of height and foliage texture, but related flower color and more than one of each specific plant. - Look for gardens you like in your neighborhood or as you walk and drive around. Look now as well as during gardening season so that you can decide about what you want your garden to look like in winter. Often gardeners will be more than happy to ID plants for you if they are outside and you can get a sense of what you like. Your local library may have books that talk about garden design or have lots of eye candy (my favorite!) to look at now. One good one (but not huge amounts of eye candy) is The Well-Designed Mixed Garden by Tracy DiSabato-Aust. Have fun and let us know how it goes....See MoreNeed help with landscaping my front hillside
Comments (8)I agree- the landscape fabric should go. You need to have a DENSE planting scheme to hold the soil in place. There are so many potential varieties for your area- both native and non-native. What would be great to see are a few waves of ornamental grasses on the hillside- any variety of Panicum (switch grass) like Northwind, Cheyenne Sky, or Rostrahlbusch would be fantastic. Also some evergreens that will spread out would be great. Daub's Frosted Juniper or Golden Joy Juniper for bright color, but would also be great to see some dwarf upright pyramidals (I was thinking bright blue dwarf spruce cultivars like Sester's Dwarf or Zafiro). If you're looking for something different a few patches of Sorbaria 'Sem' will give a great effect for the first few months of the year. Keep in mind it will spread so in a few years you may have to keep it in bounds. Other good shrub options would be Panicle Hydrangea cultivars or Smooth Hydrangea Cultivars. They take a few seasons to become well-established on a hillside but thereafter do very well. For perennials other than daylilies and iris you could look towards native Amsonia varieties. The native varieties hubrichtii or tabernaemontanta var. salicifolira would give good flowers, foliage, and fall color. The shorter variety 'Blue Ice' will spread and hold the soil in place very well- it has very nice blue flowers and golden fall color. The native Aster 'October Skies' is also a spreading variety which has blue flowers but much later in the season (August-September). Other perennials would be native Baptisia (false indigo) or Agastache 'Blue Fortune' which would give you great flowers over a long period. Add some Rudbeckia 'Viettes Little Suzie' in front of that for a nice effect. Really you have a ton of options. Put the hillside on paper and see what you can come up with....See MoreNew Home - Blank Canvas - Help Me Landscape My Front Yard PLEASE!
Comments (10)I'll try to play catch up. (Have been travelling for a little more than a month in the past 40 days. Much of that was without Internet so more absent than I thought might happen.) The drawing is pretty basic but hopefully it will convey some ideas. First, I would get rid of the odd angles on the beds. They would look much better to tie in to walks at 90* angles instead of weird wedge shapes. In the lower, right corner I'm illustrating two ways you could make a circular bed around the lamp post. (The lamp post is a primary purpose of the bed so the bed ought to use the post, at least roughly, as the radius point. And a generally circular shape would make more sense than a sprawling asymmetrical wedge shape.) Also, I would re-shape the large front bed. It should swell out to accommodate the tree you intend to plant but does not need to extend outward, around the walk in a grabbing fashion. To explain the planting in the illustration, it is a shrub below each window of the garage, and a small hedge below the pair of windows (right half). None of those should get taller than bottom of the window. There is seasonal color flanking the entrance to the porch and at the left of the porch. A perennial mass wraps the garage corners and right house corner. A low groundcover, solid, links the other plantings together. Can't tell how your existing tree would possibly conflict with the proposed tree. (The third picture you posted was taken from a different position so the existing tree location shown could be seriously misleading.) You might want to consider moving the proposed tree farther back in the scene rather than placing it at a pure diagonal to the house corner. (I wouldn't know because we don't have the information.) A large shade tree is probably not in order. A flowering tree (such as redbud) might be a better size to use so close to the house. As far as what plants to use, gauge the heights and research what plants grow locally that could perform well....See Moreirma_stpete_10a
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