If the person was there first at a stop sign she has the right of way. You are correct arkansa girl. At stop signs turns are taken in order regardless of whether a car will be driving straight through or not.

I have a different situation near me where I have a stop sign but cross traffic doesn't. There is also an uncontrolled left turn lane into the street I am coming off. I can't tell you how many times there is break in traffic but the person who should be making the left sits there waiting for me to go with me waving them on in frustration. By the time they make the turn here comes traffic streaming from both directions. Had the turner understood the rules of the road both of us would have been on our way.

My understanding of it is that she and the person across from them had a stop sign, and the cross traffic did not. I know that at a four-way stop you are supposed to proceed in the order you arrive at the stop sign, irrespective of whether you are going left or straight or right (with special rules for simultaneous arrivals)

I thought that the same rule applied for everyone who has a stop sign at an intersection, but if it is not a four-way stop, they all must yield to those who do not have a stop sign.

So after waiting for a bunch of no-stop-sign cars, the person in front of her went, and she pulls forward to the stop sign, while the person across from her is already at that stop sign.

Then another delay as a bunch more no-stop-sign cars, and then another break in traffic. As I understand the rule the person across from her is then next to go, irrespective of whether they are going left or right or straight.

Apparently none of us really know what the answer is...LMAO! I asked my husband and he says that I had the right of way, the person turning right (ME). I believe that my husband is correct. I've google searched this and it's not giving me a definite answer. If it had been a 4 way stop then she would definitely had the right of way as you just take turns.

I don't know the answer....But, since have had licenses and tests from many states, I do believe that it could be a different answer depending on the state. We Californians are often struggling with "rules" in our adopted home state....Oregon. Especially the finer points of the rules....like U turns. None allowed unless the sign says so!....used to catch me every time. I think there are exactly two in our city.

OK imagine it this way. Stop signs are put in place with the rule that people take turns by arrival, unlike light signal controls which dumb it down by telling you what to do. we even have to have straight thru arrows these days (sigh) , and also yield to traffic in the intersection. When the intersection is clear enough to proceed the one whose turn it is goes. There is no one to yield to since the vehicle stopped on the other side that will go next is not in the intersection. They are stopped so it is safe to proceed as long as everyone understands the order of stop sign yielding. Yet imagine if the left turner yielded to every single car that came up to the sign across from them? What about the people lined up behind the left turner who plan to go straight? There would be a lot of potential road rage. LOL What if it was a four way stop and left turners stayed put waiting for all cross traffic? It would be insane.

At a light controlled intersection with a power outage the lefties take their turn in order. They are treated as four way stops.

This is similar to the post about entering the intersection for left turns at lights. The premise is that way at least one car gets through at every light cycle in traffic. No you don't have to but it's selfish if you don't.

I really think it depends on your state. I couldn't find any specific law about 2 way stops so the closest would be, I imagine, the same rules as you use for 4 way stops.

For TexasFour-way stops
A lot of people might be surprised, but there is no specific Texas state law regarding who goes first at a four-way or all-way stop. The only applicable law states that drivers must stop and may enter the intersection only when it is safe to do so (§545.151). So that leaves the right-of-way assignment up to the drivers. To that end, there is a widely accepted convention that most drivers use to remove the guesswork. Basically, it's first-come, first-served. Implementing it is easy: when you stop at an all-way stop, look around and see who's already stopped. When they've all gone, it's your turn! If two or more people get there at the same time, then the protocol is that the person on the right should go first, and it should follow clockwise from there.

Be aware, however, that some municipalities as well as other states do have laws that codify the order above.

I pass through a 2 way stop every day going to and from my kids school and everyone on both sides takes the first come approach. The road we are crossing is 60 mph so if there is a break, you better take it if you are up!

Friendly hand signals can provide welcome communication and describe intentions at intersections where that may not be clear. Otherwise, i wouldn't give what you saw a second thought.

I remember when taking Drivers Ed in HS the instructor once said "There will be many things in your lives that you will be justified to insist on. But having Right of Way when you're driving shouldn't be one of them, no matter how right you are." Good advice

When people want to waive their arms, they should and you should ignore them.

Maybe I need to go get one of those little traffic law books from Ohio BMV and review it since I've obviously forgotten what I learned. When I moved here, I had to get the book and read it because I had to be tested before I could even get a license here in Ohio.

Watchme makes perfect sense! Seems like the left turn people could potentially be left sitting there for ages.

Reminds me of what we were told when we were visiting Jamaica: Our tour driver said that the biggest vehicle always has the right-of-way! And woe be to the motorcyclist who doesn't understand this.

Whenever I get to a stop and the person coming from the opposite direction has there been there before me, but had to wait for traffic to slow down, I always wave them through. They all wave a "thank you" to me. What drives me completely insane is when I have the stop sign, and the person who has the right away (no stop sign), stops! Then looks at me as if to ask why I'm still sitting there. That's when my sign language tells them they're idiots and shouldn't be allowed to drive..... If you don't have a stop sign, DON'T STOP. :)

This is from Michigan, and states it more clearly than Ohio's law, which is so old it mentions trolleys (although I think the meaning of the law is the same):

"The driver of a vehicle within an intersection intending to turn to the
left shall yield the right of way to a vehicle approaching from the
opposite direction which is within the intersection or so close to the
intersection as to constitute an immediate hazard; but the driver,
having so yielded and having given a signal when and as required by this
chapter, may make the left turn and the drivers of all other vehicles
approaching the intersection from the opposite direction shall yield the
right of way to the vehicle making the left turn."

Source, scroll down.

I have a two way stop near me and many drivers are dumbfounded.

4. True or false: You pull up to a two-way stop, preparing to turn left,
and wait for the cross traffic to clear. While you're waiting, another
driver approaches from the other direction and stops. The other driver
plans to go straight. Because you arrived at the stop sign first, you
get to go first.

4. Wrong! This is probably the most misunderstood law on
Ohio's books. At a two-way stop, you treat the right-of-way exactly as
you'd treat it if there were no stop sign. But you'd better proceed with
caution, because nobody else on the road seems to comprehend this.)

See page 42 of the Digest of Ohio, Motor Vehicle Laws."Yielding".

Another situation that is often misunderstood.

10. True or false: It is illegal to pass on the right.

10. False. If there is more than one lane in your direction, you can legally pass on the right.

I have wondered that in my lifetime brush. So is the illegal to pass on the right reserved for emergency lane/side of the road or zebra stripes or what? Seriously.

I don't think the person turning ever has the right of way over someone going straight, regardless of who got there first, no taking turns. At least, I'm fairly sure that's how it is here.

Turning left? You 'turn' comes last, regardless of how long you've been waiting.

There's a two-way stop at one end of our street. I want to drive straight across the intersection when there's a break in the traffic, but I can't -- because a Member of the Entitled facing me is turning left, and she has positioned her vehicle to block the entire road on her side of the intersection.

Most millennials I know consider driving laws as "suggestions". My neighbor's nephew always parks on the side of street opposing traffic. He also discharges the grass clippings on the street and sidewalk and leaves it there.

The Entitled One blocking my access is always a mother -- driving the regulation mammoth SUV. She has just dropped off or picked up her 2.3 kids at the Country Day $chool at the far end of our street. These ladies don't work, but you know how it is, they are Terribly Busy and have Places to Go.

chi, Are you talking about a one or two lane road at this access point? I wouldn't move aside there. People could drive up and block their view so that they cannot see if it's clear! Not that I am making excuses for her, but I am not certain we get to go around them???

But then, I'll stay back if we're beside each other at an exit where we both could go (one turn left, one turn right). Well, if I got there second. That is, I make sure we can both see-I'll look behind them, and they get to look in front of me. This is my work place I'm talking about (20,000+ people). And I have the luxury of being in the right hand lane. Why luxury? I'm just sure the person turning left wouldn't pull out in front of anyone, and if they did, they'd get hit, not me.

Chisue- traffic laws in several states would disagree with you, right of way indicates whoever got to the intersection first has right of way, regardless of whether they are turning left or going straight.

There is no universal law that says that people turning left go last.

I see my qualifier about this being true in Illinois got lost. I like this. It prevents confusion when two people arrive simultaneously. It avoids the Alphonse and Gaston bit: "You first." "No, no, you first."

Rob -- This is one 2-lane road intersecting with another 2-lane road. My street is 25 MPH. The non-stopping street is 30 MPH. Light, but spread out traffic. I cannot proceed because Ms. Special is so far over, facing me across the intersection, taking up her lane and most of 'my' lane. I'd have to veer up on a lawn to get around her. I can be at the intersection first, waiting for traffic to clear, and one of these ladies will arrive from the opposite direction and position her vehicle to block my access. (Not that I think they *notice* anyone else.)

TWO?! Dang.

This was in Ohio, arkansas girl? In Texas, the law/handbook says you must yield to traffic going straight. This from the Ohio handbook: "The driver of a vehicle intending to turn left: ... Is required to yield the right-of-way to any vehicle approaching from the opposite direction. Prior to engaging a left-hand turn, the driver must wait for oncoming traffic to clear the intersection.

Ohio Motor Vehicle Laws, page 39

My understanding is that in our area, the drivers start going in sequence.

If the person arriving at the other side ahead of me turned right, then it's my turn next, whether I choose to travel straight through or turn through the lane that the person who was in sequence after me will get to use in his/her turn, after I've left the intersection.

But it's wise to check that the driver that I figure will be moving after me agrees: if s/he starts going, I think it wise of me to wait; it's not pleasant being "dead right".

ole joyful ... still driving/alive, having been licensed at 15, 72 years ago

It appears as if my husband was correct, I guess it would be the same as if you have a green light (other than concern of cross traffic that is). The person turning left would have to wait/yield to oncoming traffic.

The section on left turns on page 39 in the Ohio handbook does not address the issue we are discussing, intersections controlled by stop sign. It merely states that the intersection must be clear to oncoming traffic before making the left. The vehicle on the far side of the street stopped at the sign is not in the intersection nor is he approaching. The vehicle is stopped. A vehicle that is stopped at a light or a sign cannot be called oncoming traffic. The intersection is clear so this doesn't address who goes first at all.

watchme, I didn't find a reference to a two way stop either.

I agree, watchmelol, that page deals through traffic, not stop signs. The only reference I could find to Ohio stops sign laws was the one that also mentions trolleys.

I found a site that explains the reasons why left turn traffic yields to a car already stopped at a stop sign, but going straight through. My interpretation is that a person making a left turn has to yield to another driver already stopped at a stop sign, but after the driver going straight has entered the intersection the person making the left turn can then enter the intersection, before the next car behind the straight through driver has come to a stop. A stopped car has to yield to all vehicles already in the intersection.

At STOP signs, the left turn shall proceed immediately after the oncoming
straight ahead driver goes, unless traffic that does not have to stop prevents this.

STOP INTERSECTIONS:

There are two very important reasons why the left turn waits on oncoming traffic.
Here they are:

1. On a through street, much less traffic could pass through if each vehicle had
   to wait for a left turn before proceeding. It could become as congested as a street
   full of ALL-WAY STOP intersections.
2. It takes much less time for a left turn to occur after an oncoming straight ahead
   movement than it takes if the left turn went first. When the left turn goes first, the
   oncoming car has to wait for the left turning vehicle to completely leave the intersection.
   If the oncoming car goes first, the left turning driver can start as soon as the oncoming
   car has entered the intersection. It then tucks in behind the oncoming car, taking only
   half the intersection time it would otherwise take. The two cars share
   some intersection time this way. This especially increases the efficiency of an ALL-WAY
   STOP. (Emphasis theirs.)

Source--scroll down

Here in Ontario, the driver's book is pretty straight forward, so I just copied and pasted:

Two-way stops — if two streets intersect and only one of the streets has stop signs, then the other street is a through street. Traffic on the through street has the right‑of‑way. If you are stopped at one of these types of intersections, wait until there is a safe gap before going through or turning. If two vehicles are stopped at a two‑way stop and one of the drivers wants to turn left, this driver should yield the right‑of‑ way to the other vehicle. The only exception is if the left‑turning vehicle is already in the intersection and has started to make the turn. In this case, the other vehicle must yield.

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=rules%20for%20left%20turns%20ontario%20driver%20regulations