New organic versus old ways with woodchips & chemicals & Bayer spray
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Organic way to treat black spot????
Comments (150)Please allow me to amend my previous statement: "I don't know if roses have beneficial root fungus, but if they do, fungicide application would cause gradual decline and death" to "...MIGHT cause gradual decline and death, and would certainly negatively affect the health of the plant." The fungicide would be unlikely to irradicate all of the beneficial fungus population, just reduce it. I'm sure that rose growers who spray are not replacing their roses all the time, but I do get the impression that many people are giving up on certain varieties because they are so susceptible to BS. I don't think that the possibility of fungicide interfering with the over-all health of the plant can be ruled out until it has been conclusively proven by reproducible research on rose mycorrhizal fungi that roses don't have comensal fungus. Ignorant newbie question: Can bs actually kill a rose? I don't have much experience with alot of blackspot on otherwise healthy roses. The roses in my area should be grafted on Fortuniana. In the past, I have had roses on Dr. Huey that succumbed to blackspot so badly that I didn't know if it was the rootstock failure or the BS or the combination of the two that killed the plant. I have some of the same varieties now on Fortuniana and they don't have nearly the amount of blackspot that the Dr. Huey's had. My point is that if the roots are healthy, the plant will be able to fend off disease more easily. IF (BIG "IF") the roots have comensal fungus, then applications of fungicide could actually contribute to a viscious cycle of "spray... BS better... roots worse... BS worse... spray..." -I'm sure you get my point. Again, this assumes that roses have beneficial fungus on their roots. Does anyone out there have an answer on this one? I guess I could always search the net....!...See MoreNo organic way to rid a lawn of weeds
Comments (22)dewey1139, Salt should be used sparingly in any area where you ever intend to grow some sort of plant on purpose. Homemade salt remedies can harm the microbial life in your soil (good soil is alive and filled with many living microorganisms---billions per square foot) and the salt can remain in the soil a long time, damaging plants you hope to grow there in the future. In his book "The Truth About Organic Gardening" (which I highly recommend), Jeff Gillman discourages the use of salt as a homemade herbicide for exactly the reason I stated above. On a personal level, I already have a high sodium content in my soil, so the very last thing I'd ever want to do is add more salt to it. Some scientists have done research with boron (easily available to the homeowner in Mule Team Borax, sold on the laundry aisle) as a herbicide and found that it controlled certain weeds, like creeping Charlie. However, there again, a little boron is good and even desirable in general for good plant growth, but excess boron can be toxic to all your plants, so I wouldn't use this method unless I'd already had a soil test and knew my soil didn't have excess boron to begin with. Tons of weeds in the soil indicate poor soil. Many weeds colonize poor soil as they are adapted to it. To get rid of the weeds, improve the soil. It is that simple. Once the soil is better, the grass will grow more thickly and more lush and will crowd out the weeds. Be sure you're mowing at the proper height too. I like lawns seeded with clover as part of the mix, and I have many, many dandelions growing in my front yard and love them. We're out in the country, though, and our neighbors can barely see our house from the road and, because the house sits back 300' from the road, no one can tell what sort of lawn we have or if we even have one at all. Thus, I don't have the peer pressure of having nearby neighbors who think a suburban yard should look like a green carpet of astroturf. If I felt a certain level of peer pressure to have a perfect green carpet of lawn, I'd work on fixing the soil so the grass would be vigorous enough to keep the weeds out on it own, and I'd use a pre-emergent weedkiller (chemical or synthetic, both types are available) to prevent the weed seeds from sprouting. That's a lot easier than mechanically removing them after they sprout. I imagine if y'all go to the lawn forum or the organic forum you would find the lawn experts there who could answer your questions. I prefer growing everything else that exists more than lawn....trees, shrubs, ground covers, herbs, flowers, veggies, fruits....and even native grasses more so than lawn grasses, so I'd be more likely to try to tell you to get rid of your lawn and replace it with water-wise, native plantings and then to mulch heavily to keep the weeds out. When I have weeds growing someplace, I ask myself what the weeds are telling me. Generally they are telling me they found some bare soil and sprouted and grew there, so for beds of non-grassy plants, mulch thickly applied combined with regular hand-weeding while the weeds are small and easy to remove is the answer. For lawn grasses, a weed problem is telling you the grass is having trouble growing well and covering the ground, thereby leaving bare spots where weed seeds can sprout. In that case, the answer is to improve the soil and to make sure you are growing a lawn grass suited to your soil, growing conditions and lawn maintenance practices. Dawn...See MoreHow to convert systemic chemical fed rose bushe to organic roses?
Comments (4)This post is getting a bit old, but is is an interesting subject. I wouldn't think too much about the traces of toxic chemicals that might remain in your soil. The worst ones are typically fungicides and weed killers, they can build up in soil. Insecticides are often derivatives of plant extracts like tobacco (nicotine), and chrysanthemum (pyretrines), and nature hopefully takes care of them. However the situation, the roses will happily go organic, and if you don't have any particular problems with fungus in your area, it should be an easy transition. Good compost, composted cowmanure, seaweed meal, and stuff like plant friendly microorganisms; tricoderma (and others I can't remember their names), that can be added to soil and sprayed on the plants to help establish a healthy balance of natural microlife in the soil and around the plants. There are different kinds that can be bought in bottles, packages and boxes. If you cannot find any near you, you can take half a bucked of real good compost fill it with water,let is sit there for a wile, then strain it, and spray plants, leaves, ground and all with it. Compost and organic matter will help bring back earth worms, that bayer all in one products might have killed off....See More2/12/16: chemical vs. natural ways to health, organic vs. artifical
Comments (65)Jess: Really like the links you gave on making baby-powder recipe. THANK YOU. I have Calendula flowers in my garden (it's a perennial): "1/2 cup arrowroot powder & 1 tsp chamomile or calendula flowers, powdered in the blender or food processor or a few drops of chamomile essential oil." Chronic sinus can also be from allergies to cat-dander. When I first met my husband, he had 4 cats, I constantly sneezed from the cat's hair. He gave away 3, and kept only one cat. I washed his cat weekly, to decrease the dander, so I won't sneeze so much. Now we have zero cat, bad-allergy. However, probiotics like L. Rhamnosus GG (in Culturelle and Solgar Advanced Multi-billion Dophilus) ... that strain of bacteria is proven to slash pneumonia in half, so it helps with membrane in sinus & lung. I gave my 13-year-old daughter Culturelle, Hyperbotics, Solgar, plus Kefir for that past 5 days. I meant to decrease her oily secretions so she has less facial pimples .. and that ended up lessened underarm odor. She's allergic to chemical deodorant, so she uses Milk-of-Magnesia ... magnesium hydroxide has a drying effect, but doesn't last long. Last night I sniffed her shirt before putting in laundry... Wow !! Barely noticable odor, same with my clothes, I can easily wear the same clothes & undies twice, since the probiotics suppress the bad-odor-causing bacteria. That's the logic for daily consumption of Kefir and pickled veggies: less body odor. There's studies that show babies born through C-section has more allergies than babies born through birth-canal. Below excerpt is written by a microbiologist: "For example, during pregnancy, the composition of bacteria in a woman’s vagina changes so that there is a higher concentration of Lactobacillus, a kind of bacteria that aids in the digestion of milk. While he or she might eventually get colonized, a baby born by cesarean section will miss out on immediately acquiring these beneficial bacteria. Dutch researchers recently published a study in the journal Pediatrics showing that infants with colic have more bacteria that are known to produce gas, whereas anti-inflammatory bacteria that live in the vaginal canal are more common in colic-free infants. Health problems that are more common in children born by C-section, such as obesity, asthma, allergies, type 1 diabetes, food allergies, eczema, and celiac disease. While there is still much we don’t know, alterations to the gut microbiome might connect these conditions to what some have dubbed the "cesarean epidemic" in our country and around the globe." http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/articles/2013/06/02/babies-born-by-cesarean-section-may-not-gain-benefits-of-vaginal-microbiome.html...See MoreKhalid Waleed (zone 9b Isb)
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