Souvenir de la Malmaison sport?
This is a found rose, here are the pictures taken of the rose in the cemetery.
Just opening:
I have taken cuttings and grown them and this is my first bloom:
And the next morning in the sun to show the color better, the first two were takemn in the evening light:
Or it just a little darker Souvenir de la Malmaison or something else entirely. I'm sure I am driving you nuts with all my questions!
Anne
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Comments (9)I lived in Seattle for decades, then moved to California near San Francisco where the climate is also too cool for the blooms of 'S.D.L.M.' to open. I gave it to someone who lives in a warmer climate. If you would like a Bourbon rose that does perform well in Seattle I suggest that you post a question on the Antique rose forum for Seattlesuze and ask her if she knows of any Bourbons do well where you live. A fragrant pink Old Rose that did perform well in our Seattle garden, is 'Mlle. Cecille Brunner' It is sometimes nicknamed Cecil Brunner, but was named for a 12 year old French girl. Its' dainty pink Tea-rose shaped blossoms have a sweet Old Rose scent with a hint of spice, and the handsome bush has pretty dark green foliage. You can see photos of it on helpmefind.com. The original form is a small bush at c. 4 and 1/2 feet tall to 5' tall, and has few prickles making it a good rosebush to plant near a pathway. The Spray and climbing forms of 'Cecille Brunner' grow to be much larger plants. vintagegardens.com often sells it, as does hortico.com under "Polyantha". Luxrosa...See MoreDo I need Souvenir de la Malmaison?
Comments (74)Nova, If I had to choose between the two then Souvenir de la Malmaison wins hands down. Marchesa Boccella is a very pretty and worthwhile rose but it lacks of the WOW factor that SdlM has in spades. Flower: MB's blooms are a about 2.5-3 inches wide with a knotted button eye in the center. The outer petals form a scalloped edge. Bud color is deep rich pink that progressively lightens to an uniform light cool pink. SdlM flowers are bigger and the quartering is more "tight". The form is absolutely perfect on each and every flower. The outer petals form a circular disc with the inner petals pulled into segments, culminating into a pinpoint center. Only a few OGRs can match SdlM for consistency and perfection of form. Color is a pale icy pink that verges on white. The image included in my last post is very accurate in terms of form, color and petal texture. Fragrance: very different. MB has a strong Damask scent; i.e. "classic" rose fragrance. Unfortunately, it is very much a one note fragrance. SdlM, on the other hand, has ravishing blooms blessed with a gloriously complex fragrance. Now to be honest, some folks can't smell it. I can and to me it is pure whiff of heaven. Growth Habit: Both are short to medium in height but MB is more rigidly upright. I prefer the slightly wider habit of SdlM. Disease Resistance: Good for both. I found SdlM to be slightly more resistant but to be honest I didn't keep MB around long enough to do a fair comparison. Repeat: Good for both. SdlM is slightly faster to repeat. Vigor: MB is better. An own root specimen is likely to mature the second year. SdlM makes you wait a year or two longer because she blooms at the detriment of putting on shrub growth....See MoreCL. Souvenir de la Malmaison
Comments (7)Jaxondel, thanks. I will be ready to cover those lower leaves. Labrea, do you grow it as a bush rose? Robert, do you have gophers and voles? I guess you are almost a pro, you would notice if the roots were gone. That is really odd for a rose to do. I purchased 3 SDLM at a nursery this year for an idea I have for the back. All of a sudden this one rose has a set of canes that are really really long. I called the nursery thinking that someone made a mistake, and of course he said he would replace it. He said that it was not likely that the climber would be mixed with it because it is grown in a different greenhouse. He said I may have a sport, or just a long rose. Regardless of what it is, he wants to replace it. I will not ask that of him since it is healthy. He said that they put 2-3 little plants together, so that when they grow and bloom they will look large sooner. (I have noticed that.)Either one of the three is a climber, or it is a sport. The rose has some normal length canes, and I cannot tell yet if it is a separte rose or not. I could just let it grow as a large rose, change the shape of the bed, and put another SDLM in the bed. I wonder what it would look like as a bush. Sammy...See MoreSouvenir de la Malmaison, this is true love
Comments (21)Ratdogheads -- If 'Kronprinzessin Viktoria' survives the winter in your garden, then yes, you must add other members of the SdlM clan. There are many gardeners who will forever be grateful that Mike Lowe was the audacious, daring, committed and driven character that he was. Who but Mike Lowe would -- even momentarily -- have entertained the notion of attempting to do what he did with roses in NEW HAMPSHIRE? In Thomas Christopher's "In Search of Lost Roses" there's a chapter on Mike and his NH garden. In the final paragraphs, Mike comments that, due to the severity of the previous winter, he had lost his entire crop of young Hybrid Perpetual plants. He goes on to say: "Want Bourbons? I got extras. Boy, have I got Bourbons this year." So, take heart from Mike's experience and try more Bourbons in your garden. You just never know . . . There are two Bourbons in my garden that always evoke memories of Mike Lowe -- CDdG and 'Marquise de Balbiano'. Both are now in this country due to his efforts. He once remarked that 'Marquise de Balbiano' would be the finest of pillar roses if only it were hardy. I'm thankful that it IS hardy in my zone, and I have Mike to thank for the fact it's in my garden. Here is a link that might be useful: The Lowe's Archive @ HMF...See MoreAnne Zone 7a Northern CA
7 years agoYes, it does have a yellow base to the petals. It is a little confusing with the Irene Watts thrown in there but this rose was taller than me at the cemetery 7' high and wide, but they are old bushes. The leaflets have between 3 and 7 leaflets. and have prickles on the back midvein. The foliage does not have a reddish cast to it as I see in some of the pictures on HMF. I have posted a picture of the bud and leaf. In many of the photos the bloom looks very much like "Pink Gruss An Aachen". It is mildly fragrant.
Anne Zone 7a Northern CA
7 years agoThis is the same cemetery in the SF East Bay, Concord, that has the blush rose, though I'm not sure the bushes will be there much longer and I'm not even sure this one is still there. Here's a picture of where is was along with the blush rose which I think this bush is. I got a half a dozen to root, but they have not bloomed yet.
Two sides of the coin so to speak. There were 2 roses here and I arrived too late to see if there are, blooming was finished. It looks like there still could be two, but I'm not sure.
There are no headstones on the other side of the bush, just a concrete pad on one plotand an empty plo.
Some others were in bloom and look like Duchess de Brabant if I can be any judge of that. They were in 2 locations.
The headstone near this one. My former boss has Soares relatives and some others in this cemetery. They came from the Azores and were early settlers of Concord.
And then there is this lonely sick little rose bush and that is all that is left, the drought and neglect have taken their toll. There was only enough green growth for me to take one little cutting of this.
Anne Zone 7a Northern CA
7 years ago
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